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Problems with ego death
    #19144161 - 11/16/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ok I had a trip yesterday, I did not have an ego death but certainly did got hints of how it would be so I looked it up during the trip and now I do truly understand what it means...And I find it very hard to accept it and let it go. I just don't like the idea that everything and everyone is you.. but in the trip I felt it was the truth....I thought the whole night of this and could not sleep.

Are there any tips to accept this revelation in your life because I feel a bit bad now. :frown:


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19144219 - 11/16/13 05:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I dont have any tips.

But I can say I can kind of relate in a way.

What I will say is give it some time. Ponder it. Question it. Think about it. Often I have had revelations like that that take me weeks or months to uncover the whole thing. I have also felt off, guilty and unhappy soon after wards. But as time passed I realised that that was just part of a bigger revelation and I didnt get the whole message the first time, that`s why it felt so off. But when you do get the whole, or more of, the picture it often makes sense and leaves you feeling amazing and positive about it. I think It does sometimes take time to realize the full meaning of big revelations. Specially ones that directly affects, and to your ego it threatens, your sense of existence.

My worst experiences and revelations have grown into my best and most life changing over time.

Give it time, question it, think about it, and I hope it will become positive. Its definitely an opportunity to grow


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: Whiplash]
    #19144316 - 11/16/13 06:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

why don't you like that idea?


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19144715 - 11/16/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I hoped u would ask that..I don't like it because it feels like that everything and everyone is not real a bit like that everyone died..You can experience it, but you know that all if it is still you.


Edited by spikeycloud (11/16/13 10:14 AM)


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19144738 - 11/16/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How can you possibly be alone if youre everyone? thats a wonderful feeling


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19144955 - 11/16/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's the beauty of it, life is like a drama. A temporal illusion. There is nothing to fear ever, you are all of it. It's the most ultimate form of liberation.


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19145355 - 11/16/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe I'm confusing the ego with the me that tis all....and how about other enteties and aliens are those connected as well?


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19145488 - 11/16/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

spikeycloud said:
Maybe I'm confusing the ego with the me that tis all....and how about other enteties and aliens are those connected as well?



I don't really like discussing metaphysical subjects as if I somehow am enlightened and know all this stuff.

But it is fairly common for people who dabble with ego dissolution to come to the conclusion that consciousness is the fundamental reality.

Hell, there are ayuasca tribes around the world who have no real knowledge of science, what a car is, etc. But they will tell you they know all is one. It is all one consciousness having subjective experiences through all sentient beings everywhere. Everybody, all life and beings everywhere are all literally connected (aliens too!). They are all the one experiencing itself in various forms.

Ego death is the recognition of the illusory aspect of your ego and the realization of who you truly are. The bill Hicks quote summarized this pretty well: We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.

I don't see how you'd feel bad about that, unless it conflicted with some previous beliefs you might have had. But that's the beauty of psychedelics, they can show you profound truth that you simply can't deny.


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I think that in human evolution it has never been as necessary to have this substance LSD. It is just a tool to turn us into what we are supposed to be.”
― Albert Hofmann


Edited by LysergicX7 (11/16/13 02:05 PM)


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19145745 - 11/16/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't like the term Ego Death. To me death means loss of life, rotting, dead, permanent. That's not what it's about. And it sounds so mysterious.. Hey, did you hear about Jim? He tripped and experienced EGO DEATH.
         


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19145965 - 11/16/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have not experienced this yet but I am planning to do some psychonautic exploration in the near future. Frankly, I'm scared.


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Edited by MaxwellSmart (11/17/13 07:54 AM)


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19147997 - 11/17/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you could put in a search engine of your choice:  " anicca  "  and / or  " anattaa " 

Anatta means no self or more accurately, no independent, separate, permanent, self.

Annica means all things, including the self, are impermanent and constantly changing moment to moment.

some results with in depth discussions from a meditative tradition:                                           

http://the-wanderling.com/ego.html

http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/noself.html

http://www.buddhanet.net/nutshell09.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatta

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/various/wheel186.html

http://www.howtopracticezen.com/dukkhaannicaanatta.html

hope this helps


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: laughingdog]
    #19148138 - 11/17/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I always had difficulties accepting what was being thrown around in my head on shrooms. I tell ya, the only enjoyable trip Ive had was where I was so engulfed in the experience that there was literally no room for doubt or anxiety. Only trippiness and awe


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: godisamushroom]
    #19148404 - 11/17/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I always saw tripping as recreational. And to be honest my life didn't go very well before the the trip. It's not that it is going bad but not finding a good job, being alone a lot really makes you feel that doing weed and tripping is the only thing to live for. Maybe that's also a reason why I felt so terrible at the end of the trip and almost the whole day yester day. (I was ill because I drank some alcohol at the end of the trip. Did 4-ho-met as substance btw). I did get very ill after while it were only 2 beers..So guys never mix 4-ho-met with boose haha.

About the ego, so if I have it right now, you are a 1 trillion piece of an conciseness that you share with everyone?


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19148473 - 11/17/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I might be wrong here but i think you putting ego and oneness into the same basket.  Maybe they are, i don't know i'm certainly no expert but i think they have their differences.

In my experience with my ego i realise
-i am not my beliefs and ideas of my self
-i am not my thoughts
-i am not my actions
-i am not my body
-i am nothing

^ You'll understand my surprise when i found out that Buddhist thinking is somewhat similar to this.

Not sure this helped but that's my 2cents. :smile:


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19148489 - 11/17/13 05:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Heres my 3cents :smirk:

You are dividing/separating things, you are just one.  The only barrier between you and everything else is your skin, that is an illusion.  Ah profound things are always hardest to explain.  But once you get it you just get it.

As for your life situation is sounds like maybe your due for some abstinence.  Maybe look into some meditation?  To live with others you must first be able to live with yourself, a clear mind helps with day to day living in general :smile:.

Peace man i'll leave you with this


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: Jars]
    #19148564 - 11/17/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks everyone for your advise and wise words. Though I still don't feel very good right now, I do feel a bit better than yesterday. And I do realise that I need to find things that I enjoy rather than filling my time with smoking weed. (although that can give you sometimes insights as well).


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19148625 - 11/17/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't worry about ego death. Just focus on your breath.


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19148649 - 11/17/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

ego death is unnecessary but not avoidable.

the good thing is if you actually experience ego death you wont care, its when your on the verge that is scary shit.


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: LysergicX7]
    #19167664 - 11/20/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have thought about it this week and I don't agree that you can't deny that we are all one( if that's what you mean). It is after all still an experience. If you didn't knew that cutting a man in two was a magic trick you would have believed it was really possible. The mind is a very power full thing for sure. And we don't even know that much about our brains yet. So saying that you can deny it is almost saying that the pink elephants you see in the trip are real...

Also a friend of mine had around 5 grams and thought he was death, still he didn't see anything related to this at all...


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Re: Problems with ego death [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19167683 - 11/20/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck ego death. It's an irrational term meant to describe something that is indescribable.


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