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thatmonk
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Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys?
#19143426 - 11/15/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I followed all ya'all's advice and built a SGFC, washed the perlite off the cakes (they bruised blue a bit from all that) soaked them for 24 hours in well water as they were pretty dry, set up a 6500k bulb 14w, rolled them in verm and put them in their new home.
I left one cake without verm on it so I can see how it is recovering, see hyphal knots, pins etc. growing.
Did I put too much verm on the cakes? I assume the verm helps maintain humidity around the cakes?
And advice? Am I missing anything?


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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: thatmonk]
#19143438 - 11/15/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Much better. Mist and fan twice a day, and fan in between mistings as well.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: thatmonk]
#19143469 - 11/15/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thatmonk
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: OgreLokon]
#19143470 - 11/15/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm running it at 72 degrees. I read lower temps makes more potent mushrooms, though they grow slower. Is 72 okay?
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thatmonk
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19143472 - 11/15/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said:

I'll take that as a highly qualified "yes!"
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: thatmonk]
#19143736 - 11/16/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thatmonk said: I'm running it at 72 degrees. I read lower temps makes more potent mushrooms, though they grow slower. Is 72 okay?
Potency is genetic. Cooler temps are known to cause slower growing, smaller, yet dense and meaty shrooms. Many people prefer this, myself included. Anywhere from 70F to 80F is perfect. Even 65F is okay.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19143752 - 11/16/13 01:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Potency is genetic. Cooler temps are known to cause slower growing, smaller, yet dense and meaty shrooms. Many people prefer this, myself included. Anywhere from 70F to 80F is perfect. Even 65F is okay.
I'm not sure that temperature has anything to do with actual fruit size...
Density and speed definitely...
I think that fruit size is mostly dependant on genetics and moisture content....
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Edited by PussyFart (11/16/13 01:07 AM)
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thatmonk
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: PussyFart]
#19144030 - 11/16/13 02:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey Notahacker,
I really wish the two links "New Cultivators Guide" and "Shit for Noobs" in your signature were available in the getting started section and stickies in the cultivation forum. For new cultivators, trying to figure out who/what to beleive here is daunting as there are many opinions and many techs. I followed a tech that mades the most sense to my noob understanding, but it ended up wasting a lot of time and pissing off the mycelium.
These two links are great and need to be easy to find for noobs. Note to the admins: please make these available. You might even consider creating a page just for noobs with only the PF Tech and SGFC tech to get people started and steer them away from all the other stuff.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: thatmonk]
#19144249 - 11/16/13 05:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't tell what your FC is sitting on, maybe some sort of louvered thing, but the bottom holes need to be exposed.
Otherwise....
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: PussyFart]
#19144873 - 11/16/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: I'm not sure that temperature has anything to do with actual fruit size...
Density and speed definitely...
I think that fruit size is mostly dependant on genetics and moisture content....
When I think of the fruits being larger due to heat, I am also thinking of them being hollow and having the same relative weight as the slow growing denser ones. I did not mean to imply that temp has any effect on yield, more that the faster growing yet hollow shrooms have the appearance of being larger. This is mostly just a personal observation that comes from growing in a climate that ranges from 95f in the summer to -31f in the winter. This in turn means my grow room temps range from 78-80 in summer and 68-72 in winter. Anyway this is all anecdotal so I should have presented it as such.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19145149 - 11/16/13 12:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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thatmonk said: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys?
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: Darph_Bobo]
#19146583 - 11/16/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: thatmonk]
#19147766 - 11/16/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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@Thatmonk: Did you know that paint resizes pictures now and its standard on all windows PCs? 
@OP: I cant tell what you were trying to achieve with the first one, but the new one looks MUCH better! Mist/Fan 3 times a day and you'll be golden!
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: 2bittoker]
#19147808 - 11/16/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good work.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19148085 - 11/17/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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might wana raise it a lil have it resting on lids but cool shit
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: tripdawg420]
#19148102 - 11/17/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That looks great!
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: TheGreenBox]
#19148104 - 11/17/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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TheGreenBox said: That looks great! 
I love your sig man.
Aces buddy.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19148828 - 11/17/13 09:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't it need at least 4-6" clearance on all sides ? Seems a tad close to the wall.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: PussyFart]
#19148860 - 11/17/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Pastywhyte said: Potency is genetic. Cooler temps are known to cause slower growing, smaller, yet dense and meaty shrooms. Many people prefer this, myself included. Anywhere from 70F to 80F is perfect. Even 65F is okay.
I'm not sure that temperature has anything to do with actual fruit size...
Density and speed definitely...
I think that fruit size is mostly dependant on genetics and moisture content....
By fruit size, do you mean mass or volume? Something that increased mushroom density, which is calculated with the equation (mass) / (volume), would have to do it by increasing the mass--meaning a smaller mushroom for the same unit of weight--or decreasing the volume, which also means a smaller mushroom for the same unit of weight.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: Psilicon]
#19148903 - 11/17/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was talking about the actual size(mass) of the fruit bodies, not the density or weight.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/17/13 09:36 AM)
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: PussyFart]
#19148925 - 11/17/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: I was not talking about density....lower temps cause denser fruits....
You were talking about density, NAH. When someone says "smaller," they're talking about either the mass or the volume of a thing. Density is the relationship between mass and volume, so anything that affects density absolutely has to change either the mass or the volume. This can happen either by reducing the volume a mushroom grows to so you get a heavier mushroom for the same unit of space, or it can happen by increasing the mass faster as the volume expands at the same rate so you get a heavier mushroom for the same unit of space.
Again, either one can be described as a small mushroom relative to others with the same mass. That's what dense means.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: Psilicon]
#19148942 - 11/17/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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van der griegen said:
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Notahacker420 said: I was not talking about density....lower temps cause denser fruits....
You were talking about density, NAH.
Not really.....
See the mushroom in my signature?
It was really dense(not hollow)....prolly fruited at around 60-65F.....
If it was hollow but still the same size, it would be less dense, but take up the same amount of volume....
I said mass above because I get mass and volume mixed up a lot...had to look up the difference just now....never could remember that shit...
But it is possible to get a fruit of the same volume, that is less dense....this could be a result of higher fruiting temperatures....this is fact.
Lower temps have tendencies of producing denser, meatier fruits.
Higher temps tend to produce hollow, less dense fruits.
But the volume of the actual fruit is mostly dependant upon moisture content of the substrate, and genetics....
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Edited by PussyFart (11/17/13 09:50 AM)
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: thatmonk]
#19148966 - 11/17/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your SGFC looks great.
You might improve the perlite's wicking efficiency by having it's surface totally exposed. I accomplished this by getting my cakes or trays up off of it .. like so ..
  
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: PussyFart]
#19149007 - 11/17/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: But the volume of the actual fruit is mostly dependant upon moisture content of the substrate, and genetics....
Since water content of the substrate has a direct causal relationship with the mass of the mushroom and not with the volume, I'm not inclined to agree with you here.
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Re: Does my SGFC look better than my previous FC guys? [Re: PussyFart]
#19149021 - 11/17/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: But the volume of the actual fruit is mostly dependant upon moisture content of the substrate, and genetics....
Let's say you have an isolate growing in identical conditions except the only difference is fruiting temperature.
We agree that the lower temperature will likely produce solid stems and denser fruits.
Because of this, wouldn't the denser fruits be smaller in size? Take up less space? If so, by definition they would have less volume.
The smaller volume could still have the same mass as the bigger one. In other words, the small one can still weigh the same as the bigger one.
If true, then would it be more accurate to say "But the mass of the actual fruit is mostly dependant upon moisture content of the substrate, and genetics...."
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Edited by SpitballJedi (11/17/13 10:16 AM)
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