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OfflineMalachi
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the psilocybin / seratonin relation.
    #1914276 - 09/14/03 01:17 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

what's with that, huh?


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Re: the psilocybin / seratonin relation. [Re: Malachi]
    #1914479 - 09/14/03 03:26 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Think of them like Lions and Tigers... both are big cats but they're really not the same. I don't know where I just came up with that. . . It's 3:30 in the morning and I'm tired as hell, so just ignore me.


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Re: the psilocybin / seratonin relation. [Re: djd586]
    #1915171 - 09/14/03 01:15 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

The question is: why do mushrooms manufacture these compounds? They seem to have no role in their life cycle, and certainly are not an effective poison to any creature who would ingest them.

The next question is the trend of 4-subtitutions found only in psilocybin mushrooms. 5-substituted indoleamines can be found in many different plant species, in toad venom, and in the brains of any living creature. Naturally occuring 4-subtituted indoleamines simply don't exist outside the mushroom, much less something so bizarre as a 0-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy substitution. This calls into question the genetics of the mushroom, how this phenomenon came to be, and why.

Some would suppose that psilocybin mushrooms were designed by an extraterrestrial species, and then scattered throughout the cosmos in massive spore plumes. Spores, which are capable of withstanding space conditions, would then over much time germinate and populate life-supporting worlds, calling out their furry animals into greater modes of conciousness. Perhaps this is a communication system? An evolution accelerator? Who knows.

Who knows!


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Re: the psilocybin / seratonin relation. [Re: Ped]
    #1915175 - 09/14/03 01:17 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Evolution accelerator! Evolution accelerator!!

DNA sequence initiated.


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Re: the psilocybin / seratonin relation. [Re: Ped]
    #1915310 - 09/14/03 02:11 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: the psilocybin / seratonin relation. [Re: Shroomism]
    #1915477 - 09/14/03 03:09 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Evolution accelerator! Evolution accelerator!!

DNA sequence initiated. 




I've been needing a boost for awhile now... I am SO ready for the next level. :grin:
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Re: the psilocybin / seratonin relation. [Re: World Spirit]
    #1915498 - 09/14/03 03:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'd venture to guess that yes, ped is "into" chemistry. :smile:

that's quite interesting, ped, but let me rephrase my question.  not why is there such a unique chemical in mushrooms, but what does the similarity to the chemical that the medical establishment considers the "source" of happiness mean for mushrooms?  if neurotransmitters control our emotions, and psilocybin effects our awareness or consciousness, doesn't that give a scientific warrant to study this seeming "source" by means of slight alteration?  isn't that true "experimentation"?  cause in my epistemology class, we're all stuck on the fact that we can't ever be aware of awareness, since our awareness is it.  so if mushrooms do jog us out of it, couldn't the claim that we're able to "view" our normal awareness have real scientific, empirical legitimacy?  (also, of course, explaining the vague notions of "enlightenment"?)


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Re: the psilocybin / seratonin relation. [Re: Malachi]
    #1916561 - 09/14/03 10:16 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Suggest to your epistemology colleagues that we as individuals may be fundamentally dualistic, that there is a vast difference between ourselves and our ego. As such, our ego can be pursuaded to take notice of, and therefore awareness of, the Self, which is just as deeply esoteric as it is ethereal. Aware of awareness?

Serotonin is only loosely categorized as the "happy" chemical, I think. Serotonin, though is indeed responsbile for such intricate human emotions as compassion, empathy, love, joy. The emphasis of these feelings when one imbibes psilocybin mushrooms is no doubt related to the chemical similarity. However -- who is to suggest that the 5-HT (serotonin) regulated modality of perception is in fact the "correct" one?

If psilocybin can be said to "enhance" our feelings of empathy, joy, etc, can it also be said that these feelings are not necessarily integrated with that of which our identity is comprised? Certainly we could not consider any psychedelic bioassay to be a scientific, emperical study. All we can extract are the convictions of our experiences.


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Re: the psilocybin / seratonin relation. [Re: Malachi]
    #1916577 - 09/14/03 10:22 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Purhaps such an order is inevitable in a chaotic system such as Life.


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