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The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion
    #19141480 - 11/15/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Okay to start off, don't bore me with "they are poisonous, don't take them". They do indeed contain some toxic chemicals but they are not as dangerous as you would think. Even when eaten fresh.

Anyway... I am looking for dosage. Eroid suggests a high trip from 10-30g. But i have eaten a whole 18g before and only felt quite small effects (unless i actually passed out and can't remember and missed the whole trip)


So my question is... why do i see people having trip reports eating just 5g, or 8g when i couldn't get much on 18g? I blended the dried caps to a dust, then made them into tea, drank the tea and even ate the left over sludge left by the amanitas. The next day i got that definite smell that amanitas have, in my urine :P.

Should i eat the whole 28g dried in one go? Has anyone experienced this? I want a breakthrough trip. I will be meditating during this like i tried in my last attempts. But i don't want to eat too much. Erowid suggests 30g as a max. I have never eaten the max dosage for anything before!


basically i feel that amanitas have a very complicated dosage amount with many people eating in many different ways. Hmph.. might just wing it and eat all 28g and go to another realm for a day (but that is kind of scary :S)

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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: monkshroom]
    #19141640 - 11/15/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Funny, while I measure all my psilocybes, I NEVER measure my amanitas. Don't know why not and never really considered it. Anyway I usually go with 3-5 small-medium caps(I never bother with the stems,again,I really dont know why) or 2-3 large in tea(dried)or fried(if fresh). Happy journeys!


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #19141776 - 11/15/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You are only smelling your pee, not drinking it.  There's your problem.

:laugh:

3 medium mushrooms + recycling urine a couple times will surely take you where you want to go.

You can eat 8 mushrooms for equivalent strength; but there will be a large amount of side-effects that are avoided with the recycling route.


Also, be sure to prep correctly to convert baddies->goodies.

Dry completely, cook at 190F, and finally; expose to sunlight before enjoying.


You may also want to powder the mushrooms and mix the powders up together very well (to homogenize the widely varying potency) before measuring your dose.

Be safe!  The effect is out of this world.


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1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


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Blessing.


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: flickedbic]
    #19142111 - 11/15/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah i read a lot about recycling... But that's a problem.. I didnt start smelling the strong urine amanita smell until the morning when the trip wore off... Surely my wee during the trip wont be strong at all?
funny to say i would drink my urine for a good trip..


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: monkshroom]
    #19142226 - 11/15/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Look into the reverse tolerance property. That might help you a little. I never dose amanitas either. I just munch them slowly over the course of a day or a few days.


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(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19142248 - 11/15/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, hash..don't be one of those amanita bigots...lol. They're not just for breakfast anymore....

oops... sorry hash misread it


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #19142263 - 11/15/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ZippyHippyinWA said:
Ah, hash..don't be one of those amanita bigots...lol. They're not just for breakfast anymore....

oops... sorry hash misread it



What? Lol. Its just easier to get more of an effect with less material if you have already built some of the compounds up in your system. Try nibbling on a cap, like a mouthful every hour or so, then in the evening take more (a cap or two).


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(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19142287 - 11/15/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yea...so many here down amanitas, and I LOVE amanitas. Nom nom nom.
So when I read your post I guess I skimmed it and read "Dose" as "to Dose" and not as "measured dose". LOL...hence the amanita bigot remark....caught it....apologised for it...and retracted it:toast:.


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19142301 - 11/15/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I plan to combine 5 grams of dry psilocybe and 7 grams of dry Muscaria very soon. :vibin:


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Fungi]
    #19142321 - 11/15/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Fungi said:
I plan to combine 5 grams of dry psilocybe and 7 grams of dry Muscaria very soon. :vibin:



Oh yeah? Good luck with that. I'd seriously re-consider your doses unless you're keen to this combo.


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Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus

(Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19142354 - 11/15/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Never tried mixing the 2 types...mmmmm. Report your results please as I am very interested. And good vibes to ya!


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #19142375 - 11/15/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hash finger why? I've done 11 grams dry of local wild subs and that was intense but I rode it out. I have not done Amanita before but was told its very sedative and drunk feeling, should synergize with psilocybe well. I read erowid report that LSD and Muscaria go well together.


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Fungi]
    #19144158 - 11/16/13 04:21 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh okay, yeah i think i will make a day out of it! 20g throughout the day then the last 10g or so in one go?


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: monkshroom]
    #19144361 - 11/16/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Amanita dosage is a hit or miss, just do a trial and error procedure, and make sure they are dried properly


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: bruna]
    #19144367 - 11/16/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Surely my wee during the trip wont be strong at all?





It surely is.  Eat, wait an hour; then drink.  And drink.

I had some beers while I waited; keeps the waters flowing and a bit of alcohol pairs well with the trip :thumbup:


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Edited by flickedbic (11/16/13 07:06 AM)


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: flickedbic]
    #19144420 - 11/16/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Eat 25+ grams of some good fly agaric and you will fall asleep, and wake up tripping balls

When I did it I ate the real potent red A+ amanitas, I suggest those from IAMSHAMAN


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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19144437 - 11/16/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Any nausea from muscimol?


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Fungi]
    #19144524 - 11/16/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't remember if I had nausea, so if I did, it wasn't that bad. What I do remember is prior to feeling it, I got really really tired. Fell asleep and woke up in an extremely confusing, disorienting, semi-euphoric drunkish type headspace. It felt like I ate the poisoned mushrooms from Mario, that's the only way of explaining it.

that said, im happy I had the experience but don't see myself doing it ever again unless I couldn't trip on the good stuff

they don't taste as bad as psilocybin at all, I remember eating the whole ounce dry out of the bag

I was walking around my house uttering nonsence, I couldn't form a coherent sentence, but it would make sense to me. My mom found me in this state and she freaked me out by yelling and losing composure saying  "DAVEEE(my dad) HES TRIPPIN!!! HES TRIPPIN!!! DO SOMETHING OUR SON IS TRIPPING!!!!"

That threw me in a whirlwind seeing as how I was 16 and had no experience with the good mushrooms


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19144724 - 11/16/13 10:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm so damn tired of the hatred towards this sacred mushroom. Back in biblical times and prehistorical times it was known as sacred and "light"

There are links between amanitas and the formation of christianity itself and pagan traditions. Christmas is infected with symbolism of this mushroom all over in its stories and decorations.

It is an extremely powerful visionary tool if prepared correctly. Its a hit or miss kind of thing as some amanitas are just as powerful as K and some are a mild high


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Re: The Amanita Muscaria (fly agaric) confusion [Re: Agentchewy]
    #19165082 - 11/20/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I really want to use it for the spiritualness that this mushroom is known for.
but..
If i eat a little bit throughout the day, a whole 28g is what i am getting, then will i sober up in between?
Like at a festival when i drink a little all day, i never really get truly drunk, just a constant state of tipsy.

I am really thinking about drinking my urine.

So if maybe if i do eat it throughout the day, hold in my urine until mid day, (can't believe I'm saying this) and drink my urine, then see what effect that has, then carry on eating, before a larger dose with whats left of my amanita later on?


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