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Invisibler72rock
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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19149742 - 11/17/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Let people be.  Let people decide for themselves what they need and don't need.




:thumbup: Simple and well said. :smile:


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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: r72rock]
    #19150157 - 11/17/13 02:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No, opiates are physical not just mental. Abusing a drug isn't very spiritual anyways.


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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: s240779]
    #19150554 - 11/17/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: Surely you jest! Meditators who seek clarity beyond bliss are not going to use opiates. Spiritual people are about cultivating Spirit, archaic for Consciousness. Opiates reduce consciousness to unconsciousness. Opiate use is diametrically opposed to everything that opiates represent: escapism, illusions, reveries, hallucinations, and most of all, addiction - the enemy of freedom.


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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19150628 - 11/17/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:lol: Surely you jest! Meditators who seek clarity beyond bliss are not going to use opiates. Spiritual people are about cultivating Spirit, archaic for Consciousness. Opiates reduce consciousness to unconsciousness. Opiate use is diametrically opposed to everything that opiates represent: escapism, illusions, reveries, hallucinations, and most of all, addiction - the enemy of freedom.



Well, you can become psychologically addicted to alcohol, marijuana, mushrooms, LSD, etc.  Let's be careful and precise in our wording.

If you're pointing to physical addiction, yes.  Opiates can/will certainly result in that.

Physical addiction is a horrible thing.  But so is psychological addiction.

Both to be on guard against, and avoided.


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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19150669 - 11/17/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No way in hell. Opiates bypass all levels of "spirituality". They can take the best person, and turn them evil.


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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: Supernova77723]
    #19150735 - 11/17/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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No way in hell. Opiates bypass all levels of "spirituality". They can take the best person, and turn them evil.



Don't get me wrong; I'm not advocating heroin and the like.
 
I'm simply suggesting that we all be on guard against addiction -- physical and psychological.

Both forms are treacherous.


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Re: Do you think [Re: s240779]
    #19150951 - 11/17/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What the fuck - don't change titles - fucking pussy - you wasted all our work writing here - now I am erasing everything I wrote to you and putting you on ignore.


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Re: Do you think [Re: eve69]
    #19151010 - 11/17/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I used to think about questions like this when I was younger.

Now I realized that when I thought about questions like this, I was just interested if someone could develop the ability to use drugs without the negative side-effects or consequences. But there's no escape from the ontological reality that we're biological beings -- and drugs change that chemistry in one way or another.


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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: r72rock]
    #19156909 - 11/18/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Spiritually strong enough to ABuse opiates?  Or strong enough to be able to use them without becoming addicted?

Maybe it's mere terminology, but to me, abuse already implies lack of control and/or stability; something that a fully realized, spiritual person would not be struggling with.  Now, as far as use goes... all I can say is that there's no way of knowing the answer to that question as it applies to yourself (i.e. are YOU spiritually strong enough to use opiates without falling into addiction) until you're already potentially an addict.

Is satisfying mere curiosity worth potential slavery?  I don't know.  I've tried every class of drugs under the sun, and never really had problems with addiction until I blew that first line of oxycodone.  The downward spiral certainly has valuable lessons to teach, and as Blake once said, the palace of wisdom has a driveway leading from the road of excess, but no one's stopping you from driving in via the comfortable Middle Path.  :2cents:


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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19156956 - 11/18/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:lol: Surely you jest! Meditators who seek clarity beyond bliss are not going to use opiates. Spiritual people are about cultivating Spirit, archaic for Consciousness. Opiates reduce consciousness to unconsciousness. Opiate use is diametrically opposed to everything that opiates represent: escapism, illusions, reveries, hallucinations, and most of all, addiction - the enemy of freedom.




I think your description of opiates is rather pointedly one-sided: opiates also represent, among other things: bliss, poetry, hypnagogic reveries, tranquility of the body and mind, and relief from suffering of all kinds, be it mental or physical.  There's a reason why the poppy has been treasured by human civilization for thousands of years, to be sure--granted all the downsides you mention do exist, naturally.  But there is a staggering list of geniuses who have found joy and wisdom from the feet of the Mistress Poppy; Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Marcus Aurelius, Charles Dickens, Kurt Cobain, Janis Joplin, Charles Baudelaire, William Burroughs, the list goes on... Some of these found eventual darkness and slavery from their use, yes.  Others found relief from all the mundane, incessant pains of this world and were able to drift far above these fleshy chains to exult their spirit in Pure Bliss via opium.

Your results may vary, as always.  :wink:


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Re: Do you think a person can be spiritually strong enough to abuse opiates without getting addicted? [Re: deCypher]
    #19157955 - 11/19/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's what I was gonna say, but I didn't bother. :nod: Seriously though, every time I've smoked tar I heard an entire concert in my head. It's never lost it's magic. So much great music has been inspired by that plant.

The key is to have one's psyche and relationships in order before experimenting and be willing to surrender to a single occasional experience.


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