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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19133120 - 11/13/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mindgnome said:
yeah I honestly don't think people can be too high just from smoking (eating it is another story). I don't get why some people can't stand being around someone who just smoked a joint or whatever. I like people who are relaxed and not uptight about shit. I like stoners for the most part and even me being sober I still feel like that is my crowd. I can sit with a group of people smoking mad weed and feel completely comfortable not smoking. I like talking about music and philosophical stuff so it is easy for me to get along with stoners. I don't like how some people smoke weed just to look cool and tell you about how Bush was the best president. It is like wtf? It's whatever though because even those stoners will listen to your thoughts. I don't like being around people who get drunk and act like stoners are pussies because they are unenlightened and not interesting to me.




No problem with people smoking weed

just isn't for me

like psychedelics better, they help me make right life choices

weed isolates me...

weed users often have a different view on the world than alcohol users do
more accepting maybe, weed often makes people realize they are the same as others and judging is pointless - less afraid to think new as well often

but I notice how easy it is to overdo the weed... thereby my rant above
it can easily destroy if not carefully moderated, and I know a few casualties

pot would probably be the most harmless to smoke everyday, hash and skunk is very strong these days often, at least where I live (and using less didn't change anything, still very strong)
personally I have tried eating weed too.... I think I liked that effect better than smoking it, helped reading/focus etc.
but very very stoned the one time I added too much, regretted for many hours
it is hard to find the right dosage with edibles..... depends on preparation method, the type of weed etc.
too much and you will regret for the rest of the night and morning too


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Alexestalex]
    #19134048 - 11/13/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Alexestalex said:
I'm not saying marijuana is purely positive. Any activity, when abused and done excessively, generally leads to negative results. That's why moderation is always key.

Marijuana can be placed in a separate category because of three fundamental reasons that make the drug generally "safe": (1) consuming marijuana via edibles or vape doesn't really harm your body or health (2) marijuana doesn't cause physical dependency and (3) stoned people generally don't do anything crazy or dangerous. You can still get hooked to marijuana but in the same way that people get hooked to video-games. Most people don't turn psychotic and lose their inhibition when they smoke weed, it's usually the opposite- they feel sedated and relaxed.

You also seem to have this perspective where any activity, despite how pleasurable it is, is pointless if it doesn't educate you or yield a profit. In my opinion, doing something for the sake of it feeling good is a good enough reason to partake in said activity. If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?

tl;dr- marijuana enhances all your sensations which is a good enough reason to smoke with very little negative side effects in comparison to harder drugs.

Also, on a serious note, are you trolling? According to the original post, you're a VERY infrequent marijuana smoker. I personally didn't start enjoying marijuana until about my 20th sesh. Things like strain, the amount you smoke, the environment you're in, and so forth play a really big role. If I'm in my room and smoking it's a completely different feeling than if I'm at my friend's house or a rave. And marijuana also lets you evaluate your life from a third person perspective (which you clearly haven't experienced) where you get to see what you're doing wrong, what you need to improve, and so forth.



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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19134100 - 11/14/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's not even a situation of getting high itself, at least IMO. To me, I get to appreciate the plant, how the final product is, and how it "performs" if that makes sense. It might just be the grower in me, but every time I see a weed I examine the fuck out of it. I'll smell it, looking at the bud structure. If I already know the strain, then I compare it to previous one's I've seen of the same strain.

Growers look for a pleasing phenotype that have qualities they want to reproduce. Different smelling plants, purpling, Indica vs. Sativa, etc. are all nuances that come with the plants. We look at how well it dried/cured and if it burns smoothly.

As for why a person smokes is their own thing to discover. I noticed that when I opened your thread, OP, that although I disagree with you on your stance, I could understand your point of view objectively. To be honest, I think that is what your problem is, to look at it objectively. For me, as I realize more and more, discussions that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe. I like to contemplate on what is in front of me and my thought on it as I feel the first hit or two come over me.

Take this however you will, but just try to not think how it is not of use to you, but how it would be of no use to anyone, objectively. Moderation is an argument worth standing on, but to say marijuana is pointless is an exaggeration.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19134333 - 11/14/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No more for me, after bad ecstay messed up my brain.  Now when I see mary, my brain turns into mush.
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19134580 - 11/14/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cannabis isn't for everyone! Although it didn't help me, some people have seen great medicinal, spiritual and recreational benefits in cannabis where other substances have failed.

Despite having diagnosed chronic pain and another qualifying condition, and despite the fact that I can pick up a green card at any time of my choosing, a few years ago about $200 a month was being blown through my vape. At some point I had a random negative experience (sudden and very public panic attack, the only one I've had in my lifetime), and at that point I decided that my pain wasn't bad enough where I could justify escaping it by spending a fraction of my income on a substance that wasn't really helping me move forward in life. That made me amotivational, and forgetful, and impulsively hungry, and needlessly anxious at times.

I haven't used any since then and I don't miss it at all, but I also understand (and am okay with the fact) that other people use it.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: kneesocks]
    #19134781 - 11/14/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"bestow... connectedness to the universe and make you sensitive to the beauty of the natural world"
I am sorry for you because you never had this experience with cannabis. It's a beautiful drug which can provide many answers and help open up ones eyes , even make you surrender to the whole.
Alas psychedelics are a catalyst - yet some people go into the drug experience waiting for random results : whatever happens happens. Few actively seek out to transcend with their help and thus trips can be fairly stupid wastes of time. In fact many go into the trip with expectations and intent which can block such potentially wonderful experiences...
First time I smoked the herb I didn't even get high. After years of use I finally combined it with intent and mind techniques (with lots of practice when sober too) and was blown away with experiences progressing in intensity. Mind blowing visuals, communion with universe, overwhelming positive feelings as well as learning to deal with negative feelings.

By the way all food is drugs. Humans require drugs to live. I have high suspicions OP is trolling but maybe this was an interesting read on the topic ... set and setting my friends :wink:


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19135139 - 11/14/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Godfather1376 said:
Quote:

Alexestalex said:
I'm not saying marijuana is purely positive. Any activity, when abused and done excessively, generally leads to negative results. That's why moderation is always key.

Marijuana can be placed in a separate category because of three fundamental reasons that make the drug generally "safe": (1) consuming marijuana via edibles or vape doesn't really harm your body or health (2) marijuana doesn't cause physical dependency and (3) stoned people generally don't do anything crazy or dangerous. You can still get hooked to marijuana but in the same way that people get hooked to video-games. Most people don't turn psychotic and lose their inhibition when they smoke weed, it's usually the opposite- they feel sedated and relaxed.

You also seem to have this perspective where any activity, despite how pleasurable it is, is pointless if it doesn't educate you or yield a profit. In my opinion, doing something for the sake of it feeling good is a good enough reason to partake in said activity. If a drug helps you de-stress, unwind, and enjoy life more, what's wrong with that?

tl;dr- marijuana enhances all your sensations which is a good enough reason to smoke with very little negative side effects in comparison to harder drugs.

Also, on a serious note, are you trolling? According to the original post, you're a VERY infrequent marijuana smoker. I personally didn't start enjoying marijuana until about my 20th sesh. Things like strain, the amount you smoke, the environment you're in, and so forth play a really big role. If I'm in my room and smoking it's a completely different feeling than if I'm at my friend's house or a rave. And marijuana also lets you evaluate your life from a third person perspective (which you clearly haven't experienced) where you get to see what you're doing wrong, what you need to improve, and so forth.



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I used to smoke everyday for a few years, skunk / hash, pretty big amounts

it changes a lot of stuff if you smoke it everyday... but you don't notice till years later

pot would be more harmless I think, I think that if you smoke/get stoned many days you will get negative side effects that last a while quite easily

it actually dissolved my personality, just like mushrooms/lsd can do
takes years to rebuild

the only problem with weed is it is so easy to smoke everyday :-)
and if I did it every week it would be every day automatically...

moderation is not everyday use IMO, but to each their own
everyone who I have seen smoke it everyday smoked enough that it affected their life/relations to others
know one who smoked for 15-20 years before stopping, he said the fog took 10 years more to leave
know 3 who smoked too much... schizo, so constant thoughts all the time / brain on overload
and it took me maybe a year to get somewhat back to normal after I stopped smoking everyday

just personal experience of course... if I were to smoke everyday ever it would be the weakest stuff I could get
definitely not skunk :-) , too much paranoia etc. that lasts a while


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: lessismore]
    #19135145 - 11/14/13 08:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm actually trying to dissolve my personality when I smoke.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19135197 - 11/14/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm actually trying to dissolve my personality when I smoke.



:-)

no problem as long as you are trying to do it

it's more of a problem when you smoked and didn't realize yourself were gone for a few years
yourself got replaced with something else... a completely different self
but for me it wasn't positive

with psychedelics the new self is more positive for me, but not with weed

I guess it depends on how you use it....

often it is not possible to notice that your self got replaced
only after stopping the drug use for a while
so it took me a few years before I noticed... changed a lot, but not positive changes

but I didn't moderate either...

was that me? holy shit :wink: , hope I don't get there again... I bet many daily smokers think like this after quitting

I still like psychedelics, because they don't make me crave more
weed always made me crave more next day/changed thoughts next day for the worse
after psychedelics I feel renewed energy/motivation, after weed I feel no energy next day and urge to smoke


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: anne halonium]
    #19135599 - 11/14/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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anne halonium said:
lost good friends from the negatives of there cannabis addiction

and yet, " a friend with weed, is a friend indeed"
or , " a friend with out pot, aint worth alot"
or, "a friend without dabs, is a friend up for grabs."

and my favorite...........
"peeps without herbals, are dumber than gerbils."

fact is, if ya dont wanna smke for whatever reason , fine.
just dont make it out like evil lazy weed smokers are spoiling your day.
just bust out and admit its not for you.

were not offended , all the more for us.




I already have admitted I hate the effects of cannabis, but thats got nothing to do with it at all, My lack of smoking has made me notice the problems that people who smoke too much experience, which they dont notice because they're too stoned to realise.
another negative is the cost as well, 50 quid a week on weed is alot, and also many of my friends have moved on to those legal weeds that are really fucking strong, i remember having one spliff of them once and praying to god for the next 3 hours to bring me back from hell, crazy shit.
I have nothing against smoking cannabis, but i do have an awful alot against being dependent on a substance, and people who smoke every day whether they want to admit it or not are addicted to their cannabis


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #19136481 - 11/14/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Godfather1376 said:
It's not even a situation of getting high itself, at least IMO. To me, I get to appreciate the plant, how the final product is, and how it "performs" if that makes sense. It might just be the grower in me, but every time I see a weed I examine the fuck out of it. I'll smell it, looking at the bud structure. If I already know the strain, then I compare it to previous one's I've seen of the same strain.

Growers look for a pleasing phenotype that have qualities they want to reproduce. Different smelling plants, purpling, Indica vs. Sativa, etc. are all nuances that come with the plants. We look at how well it dried/cured and if it burns smoothly.

As for why a person smokes is their own thing to discover. I noticed that when I opened your thread, OP, that although I disagree with you on your stance, I could understand your point of view objectively. To be honest, I think that is what your problem is, to look at it objectively. For me, as I realize more and more, discussions that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe. I like to contemplate on what is in front of me and my thought on it as I feel the first hit or two come over me.

Take this however you will, but just try to not think how it is not of use to you, but how it would be of no use to anyone, objectively. Moderation is an argument worth standing on, but to say marijuana is pointless is an exaggeration.




Yes and no. The utility of the plant really comes down to the subjectivity of the smoker, as does most anything else that we do, but I'm trying to get away from subjectivity because it muddies the waters of absolutely anything and everything we could discuss. You bring up one of the points I'm trying to make when you say that "discussions  that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe." See, marijuana is in no way necessary for you to enter into deep thought. You may believe that it enhances your ability to contemplate things, but it's not doing anything for you which you cannot do on your own, and part of growing up and moving on and evolving is realizing this. It's this fallacy that creative-types need to smoke to be, well, creative or that people need to smoke to relax or that you're a cool person because you smoke or whatever else. I mean, what I got out of smoking weed 5+ years ago was good, and I'm glad that I did it. Really, sincerely. I'm not regretful. But at some point you realize that you've gotten what you needed or could get out of it, out of that experience, at which point you lay off of it. And that's where habitual smokers come into it for me, because they keep chuggin' along with weed and feel like they still need it, and fairly often at that. It's almost like some people keep smoking because they're looking for something in that experience that they never really find, because it's not there. To allow the use of marijuana to become a daily routine or become a really significant part of you life really only makes sense if you're managing a chronic condition of some time, and that might be physiological or it might be psychosomatic.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: lessismore]
    #19137362 - 11/14/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mio said:
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nicechrisman said:
I'm actually trying to dissolve my personality when I smoke.



:-)

no problem as long as you are trying to do it

it's more of a problem when you smoked and didn't realize yourself were gone for a few years
yourself got replaced with something else... a completely different self
but for me it wasn't positive

with psychedelics the new self is more positive for me, but not with weed

I guess it depends on how you use it....

often it is not possible to notice that your self got replaced
only after stopping the drug use for a while
so it took me a few years before I noticed... changed a lot, but not positive changes

but I didn't moderate either...

was that me? holy shit :wink: , hope I don't get there again... I bet many daily smokers think like this after quitting

I still like psychedelics, because they don't make me crave more
weed always made me crave more next day/changed thoughts next day for the worse
after psychedelics I feel renewed energy/motivation, after weed I feel no energy next day and urge to smoke



I respect  your opinion, but I must say that many people have past times they can look back on and be all like :facepalm::shrug: . It may not have entirely been the substance, it may have also been immaturity or some other phase you were going through. I certainly feel that way when I look back at my days of heavy drinking.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19137479 - 11/14/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yup, weed is just very hard to moderate for a lot of people

50% can control it, 50% can't, it's almost not an exaggeration :wink:

that doesn't mean it should be illegal though.... it has been used medicinally and in many cultures for centuries..

but sure... I didn't moderate my drinking either, could still control it though(didn't drink everyday)

respecting the herb means moderation :-)

it was pretty good at curing headaches, kidney stone pain, helping me play guitar/read etc.
just always felt heavy next day... biggest downside
and the munchies were a bit too much :wink:

was like drinking 12 beers the night before...  skunk I wouldn't recommend very often, too heavy
pot/hash is a little bit better IMO... more energy

there is a pretty long hangover with skunk if you smoke a bit just one night of it
but it tastes and smells good :wink:

I think I have made my decision, only smoke what your life situation supports :-)
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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: lessismore]
    #19137491 - 11/14/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yeah the older I get the more I notice the little bit of fogginess in the morning, but for me it's nothing compared to catching an alcohol buzz.

I've had times in my life where I didn't moderate at all, and I've had times where I did.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nicechrisman]
    #19138502 - 11/14/13 09:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You know what? I've smoked every day for the past couple months, multiple times a day.  I've already smoked twice today after finishing my classes and work, and I do it for the same reason people play video games, watch movies, and drink beer. I work hard and I should be able to relax for an hour or two.

But, I feel like you've made some very valid points, and I get that moderation is key.  So since I plan on getting really fucked up tomorrow between Real Analysis and a glass blowing party, I've decided that tonight, I'm just going to finish my homework, jerk it, and go to sleep sober. Just for perspective.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19138682 - 11/14/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    Godfather1376 said:
    It's not even a situation of getting high itself, at least IMO. To me, I get to appreciate the plant, how the final product is, and how it "performs" if that makes sense. It might just be the grower in me, but every time I see a weed I examine the fuck out of it. I'll smell it, looking at the bud structure. If I already know the strain, then I compare it to previous one's I've seen of the same strain.

    Growers look for a pleasing phenotype that have qualities they want to reproduce. Different smelling plants, purpling, Indica vs. Sativa, etc. are all nuances that come with the plants. We look at how well it dried/cured and if it burns smoothly.

    As for why a person smokes is their own thing to discover. I noticed that when I opened your thread, OP, that although I disagree with you on your stance, I could understand your point of view objectively. To be honest, I think that is what your problem is, to look at it objectively. For me, as I realize more and more, discussions that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe. I like to contemplate on what is in front of me and my thought on it as I feel the first hit or two come over me.

    Take this however you will, but just try to not think how it is not of use to you, but how it would be of no use to anyone, objectively. Moderation is an argument worth standing on, but to say marijuana is pointless is an exaggeration.






Yes and no. The utility of the plant really comes down to the subjectivity of the smoker, as does most anything else that we do, but I'm trying to get away from subjectivity because it muddies the waters of absolutely anything and everything we could discuss. You bring up one of the points I'm trying to make when you say that "discussions  that put me into deep thought often are times I reach for my pipe." See, marijuana is in no way necessary for you to enter into deep thought. You may believe that it enhances your ability to contemplate things, but it's not doing anything for you which you cannot do on your own, and part of growing up and moving on and evolving is realizing this. It's this fallacy that creative-types need to smoke to be, well, creative or that people need to smoke to relax or that you're a cool person because you smoke or whatever else. I mean, what I got out of smoking weed 5+ years ago was good, and I'm glad that I did it. Really, sincerely. I'm not regretful. But at some point you realize that you've gotten what you needed or could get out of it, out of that experience, at which point you lay off of it. And that's where habitual smokers come into it for me, because they keep chuggin' along with weed and feel like they still need it, and fairly often at that. It's almost like some people keep smoking because they're looking for something in that experience that they never really find, because it's not there. To allow the use of marijuana to become a daily routine or become a really significant part of you life really only makes sense if you're managing a chronic condition of some time, and that might be physiological or it might be psychosomatic.





Agreed.  I had a friend who thought he was fucking Confucius when he was on weed until I had him write down his little "highdeas" (high-ideas), and read them to him sober. These new-age philosopher assholes who had to repeat American Government really piss me off. I've done physics, written programs, and done proofs while *moderately* high, but talking social theory never turned me (or anyone) into a modern Aristotle. Best case scenario: your friends are too stupid/stoned to notice that you're making an ass of yourself.

But I still enjoy smoking with certain friends.  We can have a really nice time playing smash bros sober, but doing it high is nice every once in a while just because it makes everything funnier and it makes my body feel great.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: RaddaRadda]
    #19140656 - 11/15/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Actually it does go both ways. What are you trying to accomplish here?


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #19141186 - 11/15/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Actually it does go both ways. What are you trying to accomplish here?




It doesn't go both ways, bro. It just doesn't. You know, part of this thread is just for me to vent personally, and not about some inadequacy in my own life, but really just because of my views on marijuana that I've not been able to really get out there. Believe it or not, I'm not promoting that no one should ever smoke weed. Well, maybe I am saying that about smoking or inhaling, specifically, but as far as consuming THC is concerned, I'm not putting it down completely. I'm just trying to appeal to the folly of being a habitual user of marijuana, because it's something that gets ignored all too often. I have reached the understanding, and not everyone might get this, that marijuana is an extremely powerful mind-altering substance. It does not get enough credit for how strong it is, even in moderation. That is not a state of consciousness that should or can be trivialized. You're really just doing yourself a disservice. Think about how wonderful and harmless and valuable you find marijuana, and then consider that there are people, like myself, who literally can't stand it. How can that be possible? Am I just a broken person? or could it be the other way around? I don't know man. It's just like, the next time you're about to roll or pack a bowl or whatever, maybe you'll second-guess yourself and say "hey, do I really need this right now?" I'm saying this shit because I care. The real value in a given substance can only be found when you take enough time away from it to be able to appreciate what it does to you, both good and bad.


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: un-known-ome]
    #19141271 - 11/15/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Kinda sound like you're just a pussy dude, marijuana is a powerful mind altering substance? i barley get fucked up from weed, all that happens is i feel good, get hungary and eat. Mind altering? have you ever touched mushrooms or opiates? Weed isnt even shit compared to Alcohol. How high does cannabis get you?


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Re: I Can't Stand Marijuana. [Re: nssurge]
    #19142835 - 11/15/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Weed really fucks up people's enthusiasm in doing things. My friends and I would have started a band by now and been making more music or painting or sculpting or whatever. Just more art in general. So much time has been wasted in my life due to it.

Yet I don't have any problems with weed. Plenty of people waste time without it too, it just so happened to change my personality in that way. I've had lot of great times with marijuana. It's all about choosing good times to smoke and not
Smoking too often, which for me is probably like once a week. If I only
Smoke weed once a week I get really creative when I smoke it, bit everyday and I'm in a haze.


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