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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: fee]
    #19139157 - 11/14/13 11:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fee said:
I eat half grams and don't get as high as most people on .2 :shrug: I usually start with minimum .3-.5 and by the end of the night eat a full grr.

And before you tell me it probably wasn't real mdma ill just tell you to trust me when I say I usually never eat mdma that's less than 87% purity.




Considering you can only get 86% and below. :shrug: Could be wrong though.

And dude you and I used to eat like 10-20mg of 25i in one sitting.

Lol remember Shpongle? Shit was stupid, almost a full vial between 3 people?

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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #19139408 - 11/15/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Only take what you need to get high

There's no high score table for who can take the biggest dose :shrug:

No sense in taking more than you need


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #19139461 - 11/15/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Demonic_Chronic said:
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fee said:
I eat half grams and don't get as high as most people on .2 :shrug: I usually start with minimum .3-.5 and by the end of the night eat a full grr.

And before you tell me it probably wasn't real mdma ill just tell you to trust me when I say I usually never eat mdma that's less than 87% purity.




Considering you can only get 86% and below. :shrug: Could be wrong though.

And dude you and I used to eat like 10-20mg of 25i in one sitting.

Lol remember Shpongle? Shit was stupid, almost a full vial between 3 people?

DC




no actually MDMA can be 100% pure (well, pharmaceutical grade is 99.5% but w/e). the hydrochloride takes up 15.7205240175% of the weight of MDMA HCl hence the misconception. this does not mean anything regarding purity.


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: D.M.T]
    #19139530 - 11/15/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well to digress, What I said was a general sum up of that. Since MDMA is a HCL there has to be room for the HCL.

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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: fee]
    #19139639 - 11/15/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fee said:
I eat half grams and don't get as high as most people on .2 :shrug: I usually start with minimum .3-.5 and by the end of the night eat a full grr.

And before you tell me it probably wasn't real mdma ill just tell you to trust me when I say I usually never eat mdma that's less than 87% purity.




Bassfreak, is that you ?


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Constantine]
    #19139646 - 11/15/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Constantine said:
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fee said:
I eat half grams and don't get as high as most people on .2 :shrug: I usually start with minimum .3-.5 and by the end of the night eat a full grr.

And before you tell me it probably wasn't real mdma ill just tell you to trust me when I say I usually never eat mdma that's less than 87% purity.




Bassfreak, is that you ?




Lol no hes not bassfreak, Im still not up to par with fee but when we rage WE FUCKING RAGE.

I have to tell my festival fam. to not try and keep up with me when im ragin lol.

Last festival ended up in me eating 4/10 gram pure fire sass, 5 hits and 4.5/5 litres of white zinfandel. then on my way to piss at 6am a bluegrass bland was playing and I said fuck the piss, got the fuck down and destroyed my patchwork lol.

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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Demonic_Chronic]
    #19139753 - 11/15/13 05:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

we should party sometime


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: mantis90]
    #19139827 - 11/15/13 07:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

SilkRoad is closed.  Where is the toxicology report?


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: downlowfunk]
    #19139841 - 11/15/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Konyap] * 3
    #19139927 - 11/15/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Oh my god man, tired of seeing everyone defend MDMA and LSD to the fuckin end like they don't have adverse effects on some people. No, if if someone has bad side effects from MDMA it's gotta be M1, if someone's got bad sides from acid, it's gotta be 25x.

The kid apparently ate half a gram at one time, and took 3 tabs of another drug that can increase body temp and heart rate. Shit happens, acid and molly are not benign all the god damn time people.


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Lizard Eyes]
    #19140064 - 11/15/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've never done more than .1g of MDMA in one night, was really looking forward to doing 2-3 points throughout a night this summer but stories like this kinda scare me away. .1g absolutely floors me, and I always roll for at least twice as long as all my friends. Kinda worries me that I have some sorta weird brain chemistry that causes this.



you're blessed
I wouldn't push your luck.

Sucks for the kid though, but as everyone said, if that was relatively pure MDMA, as it probably was from the SR, he was a damn fool to take a whole half gram.


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: 11nova]
    #19140186 - 11/15/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So probably .5 of m1 and 3 tabs of 25i i'm guessing.....

obviously no way to know, but i don't think .5 of mdma and 3 blotters of L would kill someone



What do you mean no way to know? They could pull his blood and find out exactly what he took. I Highly doubt it was .5 MDMA and 3 acid tabs, deaths have occurred from such doses when over heated, but it didn't sound like he was dancing.


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Magicman69]
    #19140212 - 11/15/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The media is always quick to blame an OD on a specific drug.  For example heroin over doses in my state have gone up dramatically in the last 10 years, but what the media doesn't report is that the cause of many many of these over doses isn't heroin it's self its but heroin combined with benzos.  So you never really get a full picture of what really happened until you get the tox screen back from the autopsy and you can say "ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now i get it" instead of blaming it on 500mg of MDMA and 3 supposed tabs of acid.


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: fee]
    #19140251 - 11/15/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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fee said:
I eat half grams and don't get as high as most people on .2 :shrug: I usually start with minimum .3-.5 and by the end of the night eat a full grr.

And before you tell me it probably wasn't real mdma ill just tell you to trust me when I say I usually never eat mdma that's less than 87% purity.




most heads can do shit like this

most normal 17 year olds can not


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Eminence]
    #19140478 - 11/15/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh my god man, tired of seeing everyone defend MDMA and LSD to the fuckin end like they don't have adverse effects on some people. No, if if someone has bad side effects from MDMA it's gotta be M1, if someone's got bad sides from acid, it's gotta be 25x.

The kid apparently ate half a gram at one time, and took 3 tabs of another drug that can increase body temp and heart rate. Shit happens, acid and molly are not benign all the god damn time people.




Well LD50's are well documented and the use of both of these drugs has been around for a long time now with TONS, and TONS of trips and rolls out there by people as evidence of their safety, in terms of not dying solely from them.  Which is why people, myself included, tend to defend them regarding their safety.  And we aren't talking about "bad side effects" here.  We're talking about straight up dying.

LSD of course could be mentally troublesome for certain people, but there's really no reason why actual LSD should be physical harmful.  Same with MDMA when done correctly, aka not raving until your blood boils or something stupid.  Maybe there are people out there who are highly sensitive and actually HAVE died from it, but I haven't ever heard of any cases that can be confirmed to be MDMA or LSD killing someone simply from taking it and not doing anything retarded.  I think the chance of being that overly sensitive or having such an unusual body chemistry is small, and then for that particular person to actually be someone who decides to take one of these drugs makes the chance that much smaller.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Shpongle1]
    #19140500 - 11/15/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There's other things to consider though, it's like people don't realize that not everybody has a healthy heart, or not everybody has enough common sense to not use certain drugs on medications, or a bunch of other possibilities.

I've seen someone have a seizure just from taking some mushrooms, and someone else I knew had to go to the hospital from his heart rate going way too high from taking some acid (had the same stuff, yes it was acid). Just saying, people shouldn't be so presumptuous sometimes.

When it comes to acid especially though, I believe some people are just in love with the stuff and don't wanna believe any negatives about it.


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: 11nova]
    #19140511 - 11/15/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So probably .5 of m1 and 3 tabs of 25i i'm guessing.....

obviously no way to know, but i don't think .5 of mdma and 3 blotters of L would kill someone







Now, you very well could be right. And in the last couple years, when there is an "LSD related" death, I often jump to 25i as the first and most likely suspect.


However:


1- Didn't Silk Road have a ratings system? And I thought there was even a group of people who specifically tested all the LSD vendors on Silk Road to confirm that it was real LSD? That's not to say someone on SR couldn't pass off 25i as LSD. I'm certain that's happened. I was just under the impression that it was somewhat easy(ier) to avoid that, if you were careful and only bought from long-standing, very well known vendors with good reps, etc.



2-  You do realize that half a gram of real, pure MDMA is a pretty massively hefty dose, right? Erowid says average pressed pills will range from 80-120mg of MDMA, and that 150mg in a pill would be "unusually strong." It also lists 75-150mg as a "common dose" (the higher end of that being for people who are heavy, or have a tolerance)  150-200mg for a "strong" dose, and 200+mg for a "heavy" dose.


So this kid took over two times what would be considered a "heavy dose," on top of two hits of of alleged LSD (that might have even been something else?)




You realize that a whole lot of the "molly" being sold on the streets is really methylone. Which has similar effects, and somewhat similar dosage, but methylone requires a higher dose, for lighter effects than real MDMA. And I have heard that some vendors on SR were selling methylone as MDMA. So maybe this kid never had real MDMA before, and thought he needed half a gram to get where he wanted to be.


I have to say, that even taking half gram of the weaker methylone in split doses over a few hours can feel pretty goddamned stimmy. Nevermind taking that much real MDMA all at once. Or maybe it was real MDMA and cut with meth. I've seen that too.




Either way... I personally would have been reluctant to take that combo at that dose level even if I knew it was 100% pure, and as advertised. Let alone if the purity or even identity of the substance were even remotely in question


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Eminence]
    #19140528 - 11/15/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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frylock91 said:
There's other things to consider though, it's like people don't realize that not everybody has a healthy heart, or not everybody has enough common sense to not use certain drugs on medications, or a bunch of other possibilities.





This is the first thing I thought as well. The article mentioned that the kid had possibly taken Ketamine at some point earlier as well. He could have had heart issues, health issues, or medicinal interactions. Perhaps he was on anti-depressants and died from serotonin syndrome. There are definitely ways to die from 500mg of real MDMA and 3 hits of acid. Without more information it's really impossible to know for sure.


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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19140682 - 11/15/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you read carefully, the only drug the kid admitted to buying from SR was ketamine..

So there's no point in conjecture over the whether or not SR was to blame.

Without the tox report there is no way of knowing how or why this kid died. Sounds like he was reckless regardless of where he bought things or what they were.

It doesn't rule out other drugs playing a part, or if he had drunk a litre of vodka as well, there are a ton of "if"'s and "maybe"'s and very little detail to work from.

Basically just a sad story about a guy eating drugs like they are candy. What does his mother's profession have to do with the story either?? Seems to be a lot of bias and very few relevant facts.

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Re: Teen dies while on Skype after buying drugs from Silk Road [Re: Eminence]
    #19141799 - 11/15/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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frylock91 said:
Oh my god man, tired of seeing everyone defend MDMA and LSD to the fuckin end like they don't have adverse effects on some people. No, if if someone has bad side effects from MDMA it's gotta be M1, if someone's got bad sides from acid, it's gotta be 25x.

The kid apparently ate half a gram at one time, and took 3 tabs of another drug that can increase body temp and heart rate. Shit happens, acid and molly are not benign all the god damn time people.



Might as well be saying cannabis has adverse effects on people (it does, but nothing so harsh as death) and neither do these other drugs.

It's very possible he got a different drug than LSD. I have personally bought some "acid" that was definitely not LSD from a not very well known vendor off SR. Tasted like horrible chemicals. Could have been DOB or DOX or 25I. Idk what it was, but this kid easily could have taken the same thing.

Most of these other drugs are very high quality and usually you can trip extremely hard just off of one or two. These drugs interact badly with MDMA, causing vascoconstriction and other negative side effects.  Most likely that's what killed him but there could be a billion other factors. My main point is however, no LSD didn't kill him.


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