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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19145310 - 11/16/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why do accept the 50 jobs nonsense put forth by an obviously biased hack as gospel?
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145331 - 11/16/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why would I accept anything you say as credible?
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19145347 - 11/16/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do not cite myself as an authority. Now why do you think that adding millions of barrels a day to refinery production won't add any jobs.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145378 - 11/16/13 01:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're dodging the question in point here. Why do you get to dismiss everything you disagree with as non-credible, a "hack," "biased," and every other term you use for people that don't share your world outlook? When you do things like this, you are exactly citing yourself as an authority on the matter, which you so clearly aren't.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19145468 - 11/16/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: You're dodging the question in point here. Why do you get to dismiss everything you disagree with as non-credible, a "hack," "biased," and every other term you use for people that don't share your world outlook? When you do things like this, you are exactly citing yourself as an authority on the matter, which you so clearly aren't.
When you cite someone as an authority you have have to establish that 1. They are an actual authority and 2. That they are unbiased
I am an authority on carpentry and construction of residential homes.
Now would you like to explain why you think that adding millions of barrels of production to a refinery will only add 50 jobs
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145491 - 11/16/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, on the face of your argument, you're full of shit.
First of all, he Keystone XL won't be moving "millions" of barrels per day, let alone even one million Secondly, you are assuming that current import levels would stay steady, and that the extra oil would be added on top of those levels, instead of replacing decreasing imports.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19145617 - 11/16/13 02:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Well, on the face of your argument, you're full of shit.
First of all, he Keystone XL won't be moving "millions" of barrels per day, let alone even one million
Keystone won't move a million barrels?Quote:
Secondly, you are assuming that current import levels would stay steady, and that the extra oil would be added on top of those levels, instead of replacing decreasing imports.
I don't think that is coherent
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: zappaisgod]
#19145717 - 11/16/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Keystone won't move a million barrels?
Are you changing your argument, or are you actually asking a question here?
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I don't think that is coherent
I don't think anything you say is coherent.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19145967 - 11/16/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Keystone won't move a million barrels?
Are you changing your argument, or are you actually asking a question here?
What argument?Quote:
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I don't think that is coherent
I don't think anything you say is coherent.
Feel free to try rephrase that post to make it coherent so I can figure out what the fuck you are talking about.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: zappaisgod]
#19146044 - 11/16/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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zappaisgod said: The Keystone Pipeline and fracking would go a long way toward helping and they won't cost one single taxpayer dime.
No it wouldn't. 50 full time jobs is laughable.
The American Jobs Act proposed by President Obama would have created over 2 million jobs, and added 2% to gdp all while fixing up our infrastructure. At a time when we can borrow money for next to nothing, and millions are still unemployed it just makes sense.
Why do you think that adding millions of barrels of oil to the capacity of refineries will only result in 50 jobs. What is laughable is that you accept at face value the assertions of idiots
If we "adding millions barrels" from Canada wouldn't we subtract millions from somewhere else? It not like we're going to use all those additional barrels here and oil is shipped as CRUDE not refined gas/fuel.
And I will trust the sources citied here over your objections and no sources.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: sweeper54]
#19146079 - 11/16/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: The Keystone Pipeline and fracking would go a long way toward helping and they won't cost one single taxpayer dime.
No it wouldn't. 50 full time jobs is laughable.
The American Jobs Act proposed by President Obama would have created over 2 million jobs, and added 2% to gdp all while fixing up our infrastructure. At a time when we can borrow money for next to nothing, and millions are still unemployed it just makes sense.
Why do you think that adding millions of barrels of oil to the capacity of refineries will only result in 50 jobs. What is laughable is that you accept at face value the assertions of idiots
If we "adding millions barrels" from Canada wouldn't we subtract millions from somewhere else? It not like we're going to use all those additional barrels here and oil is shipped as CRUDE not refined gas/fuel.
We refine the oil. That is our advantage. How much oil do the retarded mullahs in Iran refine?Quote:
And I will trust the sources cited here over your objections and no sources.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/31/barack-obama/obama-says-keystone-xl-would-mean-maybe-2000-jobs/
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Obama said the Keystone XL pipeline might produce about 2,000 jobs during construction, based on the most reliable estimates. The White House provided no supporting evidence and the administration’s own State Department predicted that while the pipeline would produce few permanent jobs, the construction process itself would create nearly twice as many jobs as the president said.
We rate the statement False.
Even desperate Obama suck ups say he is a lying cocksucker.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: zappaisgod]
#19146088 - 11/16/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What argument?
This is absolutely laughable. Your argument, zappa
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zappaisgod said: I do not cite myself as an authority. Now why do you think that adding millions of barrels a day to refinery production won't add any jobs.
You see that? You see where you claimed that "millions of barrels a day" would be added if we built Keystone XL?
Yeah, that's fucking wrong.
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Feel free to try rephrase that post to make it coherent so I can figure out what the fuck you are talking about.
you (zappisgod) are assuming (believing something without proof) that current import levels (the amount of oil that comes into the country) would stay steady (would not change), and that the extra oil (coming from the Keystone XL pipeline) would be added on top of those levels (the amount we currently import), instead of replacing decreasing imports (i.e. if we get more North American oil, we won't be importing as much from other countries).
I'm still not quite sure why this is so hard to understand. Although it may have been worded a little funny, it was easily comprehendible. Why you choose to start playing these little games is beyond me, but, like I said, I don't find much of what you say coherent to begin with, so it follows right in line.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19146211 - 11/16/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What argument?
This is absolutely laughable. Your argument, zappa
I make a lot of arguments. Which specific one are you talking about here?Quote:
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zappaisgod said: I do not cite myself as an authority. Now why do you think that adding millions of barrels a day to refinery production won't add any jobs.
You see that? You see where you claimed that "millions of barrels a day" would be added if we built Keystone XL?
Yeah, that's fucking wrong.
ORLY?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline
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The Keystone XL Pipeline Project (Phase IV) revised proposal in 2012 consists of a new 36-inch pipeline from Hardisty, Alberta, through Montana and South Dakota to Steele City, Nebraska, to "transport of up to 830,000 barrels per day (132,000 m3/d) of crude oil from the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin in Alberta, Canada, and from the Williston Basin (Bakken) region in Montana and North Dakota, primarily to refineries in the Gulf Coast area.
That's only phase IVQuote:
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Feel free to try rephrase that post to make it coherent so I can figure out what the fuck you are talking about.
you (zappisgod) are assuming (believing something without proof) that current import levels (the amount of oil that comes into the country) would stay steady (would not change),
I made no such assumptionQuote:
and that the extra oil (coming from the Keystone XL pipeline) would be added on top of those levels (the amount we currently import),
I made no such assumptionQuote:
instead of replacing decreasing imports (i.e. if we get more North American oil, we won't be importing as much from other countries).
Obvioulsy if we have domestic production to meet our needs we will import less energy. Are you well?Quote:
I'm still not quite sure why this is so hard to understand. Although it may have been worded a little funny, it was easily comprehendible. Why you choose to start playing these little games is beyond me, but, like I said, I don't find much of what you say coherent to begin with, so it follows right in line.
It was a pack of lies wrapped around an insane premise.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: zappaisgod]
#19146222 - 11/16/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You claim that millions of barrels per day would come from Keystone XL. That is wrong. It can't even handle a million barrels per day.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19146231 - 11/16/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just Phase IV is set to handle 830.000 barrels a day.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19146254 - 11/16/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://keystone-xl.com/about/the-project/
The official site, put up by TransCanada:
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The pipeline will have capacity to transport 830,000 barrels of oil per day to Gulf Coast and Midwest refineries, reducing American dependence on oil from Venezuela and the Middle East by up to 40 per cent.
So, is TransCanada wrong on their own website?
I guess I'm also not quite understanding what your point of all of this is. Phase 4 is the portion that brings the oil from Canada and ND/Montana south. Which on the XL portion of the Keystone system, can only transport 830,000 barrels per day.
Just admit you were wrong on that part, and we can move forward.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19146272 - 11/16/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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XL is only one part of it. Pay attention.
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The Keystone Pipeline system consists of the operational Phase 1 and Phase II and two separate proposed pipeline expansion segments Phases III, the Gulf Coast Pipeline Project, and Phase IV, Keystone XL.
Now does that seem like it means only 50 jobs to you? Politifact says you, Obama and that previous idiot with the 50 jobs estimate are full of shit.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19146290 - 11/16/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Keystone XL is what we have been talking about this whole time. Once you realized it wasn't going to transport your "millions of barrels per day" you changed your position. The Gulf Coast Pipeline Project will be moving the shale oil to the gulf, even if the numbers on the two projects were cumulative (which they aren't), we still wouldn't reach your "millions" mark that you claim building Keystone XL will transport.
Also, your Politifact piece only calls Obama's words on the construction portion false.
If you would read, you would find:
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It also confirmed that there would be few long-term jobs, something on the order of 35.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19146317 - 11/16/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Keystone XL is what we have been talking about this whole time.
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Once you realized it wasn't going to transport your "millions of barrels per day" you changed your position.
I changed nothingQuote:
The Gulf Coast Pipeline Project will be moving the shale oil to the gulf, even if the numbers on the two projects were cumulative (which they aren't), we still wouldn't reach your "millions" mark that you claim building Keystone XL will transport.
ORLY? Prove itQuote:
Also, your Politifact piece only calls Obama's words on the construction portion false.
Yes I know. Do you think a millions of barrels of oil refine themselves?Quote:
If you would read, you would find:
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It also confirmed that there would be few long-term jobs, something on the order of 35.
I find it quite unlikely that a thousand plus mile pipeline will only reguire 35 people to maintain it.
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Re: How Republicans are destroying the recovery in one graph [Re: zappaisgod]
#19146350 - 11/16/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote me
The fifty jobs claim was in reference to the Keystone XL. This is what we have been talking about the whole time. Just because you don't specifically use the term Keystone XL, you reply to people who had, and you never mentioned anything about "Phase 3" until your millions of barrels per day bullshit got debunked.
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ORLY? Prove it
Prove what? The numbers are all on the official Keystone XL site. I think you can do basic math, no? I mean, there is a calculator on your computer if you can't.
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Yes I know. Do you think a millions of barrels of oil refine themselves
Once again, you are assuming that we will continue to import unrefined oil at the same levels.
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I find it quite unlikely that a thousand plus mile pipeline will only reguire 35 people to maintain it.
Your source, not mine.
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