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How to decide on a fruiting chamber?
    #19139758 - 11/15/13 05:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There seems to be such a vast variety of FC's that people use. I'm currently going to start with a closed FAE with perlite. humidity fc with an air pump pushing filtered air through. But I'm curious as to what everyone else likes..
What are the pros and cons of FC's such as
-Monotubs
-SGFC
-FAE
-TiT... Etc..

What's a good low maintenance tek anyone would recommend?


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19139761 - 11/15/13 05:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

SGFC and monotub is the only FC on your list. The others are not FC's.

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Shea25's "Pf tek done right TEK"
EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19139795 - 11/15/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you're doin PFtek then SGFC exactly to spec is the only way to go. No cute automation schemes, no air pumps, none of that.

If you're doing bulk, monotub is the way to go, though some people like trays in a sgfc for bulk.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: sytar] * 1
    #19139820 - 11/15/13 07:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

fae is not a fc. it means fresh air exchange and is needed in all fc's.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: spacechildo]
    #19140082 - 11/15/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Make a SGFC(shot gun fruiting chamber)

There's a video you can find at that link that details how to build one. Don't add any extra things just build it to spec and you'll WIN

And also take a look at that first link in my signature, maybe it will help
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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19142692 - 11/15/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I ordered a kit and it came with a tub with a hole on one side for a hose that connects to a humidifying hydroton bubbler with an air pump connected by a hepa filter hose. And I thought that would be considered an fae fc since it only has 3 air exchange holes in it its not an sgfc..


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420] * 1
    #19142702 - 11/15/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I ordered a kit and it came with a tub with a hole on one side for a hose that connects to a humidifying hydroton bubbler with an air pump connected by a hepa filter hose. And I thought that would be considered an fae fc since it only has 3 air exchange holes in it its not an sgfc..




sounds like a gimic. Works just as good as all the thing you saw on tv infomercials.

Sounds like it cost a lot and will give you a little.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19142785 - 11/15/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I made a mini sgfc to test the waters on ny earliest substrate but as for my big tub. I wanna see how the set up works its basically an auto humidifier that will mist the tub for me by having the air pump on a timer that shoots hepa filtered air into the jar of hydroton/water/cotton and connected to the tub by a hose. Then there are 3 polyfilled holes on one side. And perlite on the bottom.. basically its one giant humidity chamber


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19142801 - 11/15/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why would you pump humidity into a monotub that is self sustaining as it is?

I never understood this part.....

Humidifiers are ONLY useful for greenhouses or martha's....everything else(SGFC, Monotub) is self sustaining.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19142810 - 11/15/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I made a mini sgfc to test the waters on ny earliest substrate but as for my big tub. I wanna see how the set up works its basically an auto humidifier that will mist the tub for me by having the air pump on a timer that shoots hepa filtered air into the jar of hydroton/water/cotton and connected to the tub by a hose. Then there are 3 polyfilled holes on one side. And perlite on the bottom.. basically its one giant humidity chamber




Basically it's one gigantic waist of resources.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19142881 - 11/15/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We'll its what the kit said to do and I'm new to this that's why I'm asking.. so maybe I'll just turn it into an sgfc after all


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19142906 - 11/15/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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We'll its what the kit said to do




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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19142911 - 11/15/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Make a SGFC(shot gun fruiting chamber)

There's a video you can find at that link that details how to build one. Don't add any extra things just build it to spec and you'll WIN

And also take a look at that first link in my signature, maybe it will help
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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19142914 - 11/15/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just trying to see what options there are preferably low maintenance


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19142918 - 11/15/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm just trying to see what options there are preferably low maintenance



SGFC for cakes.....Monotubs for bulk.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19142929 - 11/15/13 09:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm just trying to see what options there are preferably low maintenance




growing shrooms isn't low maintenance. Buying them is.

You can leave a SGFC alone for a few days if you have to but you should be misting and fanning it multiple times a day every day.

Grow kits will start working and be low maintenance when they come with a human to have eyes for you, and do your work for you.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19142961 - 11/15/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Stop being lazy and trying to find the easy way out. Sack up, do an actual sgfc, and put in the effort. Whatever the hell you just described in your so called "mini sgfc experiment" was an abomination. The sooner you stop trying to do cute automation schemes the sooner you will have a successful grow.

Hope I didn't come off too harsh, but listen to the forum not the halfbaked instructions in your grow kit. When I first started I wanted to be lazy and automate but I found taking care of the mushrooms to be a real pleasure and it actually gave me a deep appreciation of this hobby.

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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: sytar] * 1
    #19142995 - 11/15/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Stop being lazy and trying to find the easy way out. Sack up, do an actual sgfc, and put in the effort. Whatever the hell you just described in your so called "mini sgfc experiment" was an abomination. The sooner you stop trying to do cute automation schemes the sooner you will have a successful grow.

Hope I didn't come off too harsh, but listen to the forum not the halfbaked instructions in your grow kit. When I first started I wanted to be lazy and automate but I found taking care of the mushrooms to be a real pleasure and it actually gave me a deep appreciation of this hobby.

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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19143000 - 11/15/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19143027 - 11/15/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19143028 - 11/15/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19143543 - 11/16/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1st off I bought a grow kit before o realized how stupid I was for doing it cuz I didn't know any better. im learning from my mistakes and it was a  push on the right direction. Second, I'm not trying to be lazy. i work 60+ hours a week and don't have as much time as I'd like to care for it like I want. so that's why I need something requiring lower maintenance


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19143648 - 11/16/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You should be fine misting and fanning before you go to bed, and once you wake up... It's not ideal, but it'll work. Or, you can make a monotub, which is set and forget for the first flush.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: OgreLokon]
    #19144151 - 11/16/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So i have an idea. My mini sgfc is a 16.5" x 13" 15qt tub filled with perlite 3" deep and moist. I have 14 cakes almost fully colonized that would fit in there perfectly close together and maintain the humidity with the top lid off. What if I were to set that into my larger tub and fill it 2" deep with water. Would that be beneficial.  Kinda like a perlite sgfc island in a terrarium.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19144342 - 11/16/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So i have an idea. My mini sgfc is a 16.5" x 13" 15qt tub filled with perlite 3" deep and moist. I have 14 cakes almost fully colonized that would fit in there perfectly close together and maintain the humidity with the top lid off. What if I were to set that into my larger tub and fill it 2" deep with water. Would that be beneficial.  Kinda like a perlite sgfc island in a terrarium.




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sounds like a nice way to make something that wont work.
Don't remove the lid from your SGFC
How will air go through the perlite if the perlite is under water.
mold breeding ground


what we have been trying to tell you is just make the SGFC the right way. IF you do that the bottom holes on the SGFC wont work and the SGFC needs the lid with holes too. Why not try the single solitary thing we are telling you and not some messed up way.

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Fruiting Chamber
A SGFC has 1/4" holes spaces 2 inches apart in a grid patten on all six sides. 4-6 inches of moist perlite. No attachments made to it with any extra things like humidifiers. Optimally the SGFC should be in the middle of a room. No fans should be run in the room with the SGFC, but a cracked window is OK. A humidifier in your house can help to raise the ambient RH but don't put it near your SGFC put it in the other corner of the room if you do decide to run a humidifier at all. The SGFC IMO should have at least 6-12 inches of room from any wall on all 6 sides. This includes finding some sort of raisers to elevate the SGFC off of the surface it's on.

Misting and Fanning.
This is a source of much grief and 100's of posts a week here. Misting and fanning is not at all complicated as it needs to be. In general you'll mist your cakes until they glisten(yes they can even with the verm on them) and then fan right after the mist. You can mist your cakes directly and you should. When you notice the cake is no longer glistening you can mist it again and then fan. This occurs on average of 3-5 times a day. Don't worry about sleeping or being gone 12 hours. Just do it when you're around and don't forget about it is all. Fanning is not FAE it's only purpose is to relive the high RH air so that the cakes can get a kickstart on evaporation.

FAE
This is a phenomenon (Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.





maybe this will help you visualize why the SGFC is built how it is and why that any additions or modifications cease to make it operate properly.

I also frequently work 40/50/60 hours a week depending on the season. I have never had a problem coming home to do mycology work, let alone everything else like laundry, cooking, car shit, shroomery, fucking my wife, etc...


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19144450 - 11/16/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey OP…. I'm behind you 100%

It seems to me that all through the years, if you start sifting through the threads, you'll see how the extremist mycologists think that growing shrooms is a religion, that there is no middle way.

So I'm here to say, that I will more than happily support a middle ground that don't give a s*** if it can be done cheaper / easier / faster / better that buying a grow kit.

I bought a grow kit myself, and thankfully it's starting to fruit. I've made the SGFC or a variant of it ( again… I don't pay attention to meticulous details ).

I believe that the forum is not made so that mycologists can preach religion, but so that people can come and share information as well as ask question regardless of what that may be or at what level.

There is no level or approach that is wrong, and being lazy or wanting to avoid doing it from the bottom is not something ANY of you should scold or belittle.

ANY approach is good enough.

Personally I don't care if I would yield twice as much growth, how much I pay to get a pre-colonised cake, if I did it from the bottom or made the chamber a different way, what matters is that the OP had a question and then people, even you so-called experts, should have the decency and respect to answer in accordance to what the OP "needs", instead of babbling on about how sacred the process is and pass judgement on this and that method.

All I care about personally, is not paying for dry shrooms.

I we can get 2-3 flushes of 10-15g dried each, then we would still have saved money compared to buying them dry. And just to emphasise… yes, I or.. we probably both know we could save money making from scratch… but hey, I can't be bothered to spend the time doing that… CBA.

But that does not mean we we aren't allowed to ask questions or get ideas on how to approach OUR situation.

OP…

I made a simple SGFC, not by the books… I'd be happy to share how it's going along the way. I can see that my first cake is starting to pin after I moved the whole thing from the plastic grow box and bag into the FC. So hopefully my pre-colonised cake will harvest ready in 3-4 days time.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #19144480 - 11/16/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There isn't any getting through to this guy about making the sgfc exactly to spec. Some people just have to learn the hard way I guess.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #19144778 - 11/16/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mostly a bunch of nonsense. I'm a moron.




OP, someone who's admittedly got a half-ass interest in getting good results will give half-ass advice.

Wanting to get good results for our time and money is not a religion. Lots of people being in agreement is not a religion.

There have been many kits and teks tried over the years. The ones that are popular are the ones that have stood the test of time. These would be PF Tek in a SGFC and bulk in a monotub. These are not the only methods, but, they are excellent.

Doing things yourself is considered to be the most sensible approach by most people. When you invest in grow-kits, you are not taken a seriously on this forum. That's just the way it is.

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What's a good low maintenance tek anyone would recommend?




I believe we are answering that question and there are various opinions.

If you don't care about results, then take the advise of those who don't care either.

I do care about results and if you do too, then "ANY approach is NOT good enough." There are many more ways to fail than there are to succeed.


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    #19146281 - 11/16/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well o would like to see good results but don't expect it on my first grow. I know how to make an sgfc and willdo it to my bigger tub I just have that smaller one as a practice run to see how it turns out for q single cake cit in half. It maintains the humidity with the top off and I've even seen a video where roadkill grew some with his off as well and though it worked better. So does the top really make a huge difference or not?


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19146384 - 11/16/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't get why you keep asking questions if you don't care to hear the answers? Everyone has told you do an SFGC with NO MODIFICATIONS.

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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19146390 - 11/16/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So does the top really make a huge difference or not?



Yes, it does.....or it would say different in the tek.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/

Without a lid with the proper holes, the chamber would not function as designed.

Heat and humidity would rush out the top.....that is not good.

The holes regulate the amount of heat and humidity that leave the chamber, and since there is the same hole pattern in the bottom, the chamber can circulate air properly.

Heat and humidity both rise out the top holes, which sucks air up and in thru the bottom holes, up thru the moist perlite, wicking humidity and FAE right into the chamber.

FAns in the room will fuck this up.....no holes in the lid will fuck this up.....no lid will fuck this up.....shall I continue?


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19146520 - 11/16/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well o would like to see good results but don't expect it on my first grow. I know how to make an sgfc and willdo it to my bigger tub I just have that smaller one as a practice run to see how it turns out for q single cake cit in half. It maintains the humidity with the top off and I've even seen a video where roadkill grew some with his off as well and though it worked better. So does the top really make a huge difference or not?



Yes. If you were using a casing layer you could probably get by without any kind of lid but I don't think there'd any real benefit to it over the common FC designs.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: Kizzle]
    #19147499 - 11/16/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well the issue with my big tub is that the lid isn't see through. what should I do about it?. Cut the middle out and saran wrap it? Then holes as well


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    #19147582 - 11/16/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the issue with my big tub is that the lid isn't see through. what should I do about it?. Cut the middle out and saran wrap it? Then holes as well




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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19147602 - 11/16/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I did pf tek years ago with a cooler and humidifier was very low maitanance just emptying bottles of water and filling humidifier. I found it very easy compared to growing plants.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19148908 - 11/17/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the issue with my big tub is that the lid isn't see through. what should I do about it?. Cut the middle out and saran wrap it? Then holes as well




If the sides are clear, then just put holes in the lid and angle your light more to the side. No need for suranwrap.

People hang big tube lights longways down the back of shelving units all the time.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: beforeIgetold]
    #19149416 - 11/17/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've made the SGFC or a variant of it ( again… I don't pay attention to meticulous details ).





I thought the SGFC was as easy as it gets. I only see noobs adding things to make the construction of it more difficult. It's more simple and less meticulous to follow the directions on this one.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19151809 - 11/17/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the issue with my big tub is that the lid isn't see through. what should I do about it?. Cut the middle out and saran wrap it? Then holes as well



You'll be fine with that lid. Light from the side works just as well.


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Re: How to decide on a fruiting chamber? [Re: Kizzle]
    #19152782 - 11/18/13 03:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well I was thinking of just leaving it in a room with the lights on. So should I just set up side lights instead?


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    #19152887 - 11/18/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Most of the light comes in from the sides anyway. like 80-90%.
Clear sides and a dark lid works better than dark sides and clear lid!


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