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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: canid]
    #19138877 - 11/14/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In seriousness though; I think azurescens should be more earnestly sought north and south along the coast, and up relevant watersheds.

The columbia to the gorge seems promising since this river has the oldest established presence, but this might of course be an artifact of that fact. I still am not convinced that it's range is conclusively demonstrated as of the last two decades, and it consider it likely enough that everybody being told where to stop seeking it has been a factor on the known extent thereof.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: canid]
    #19138913 - 11/14/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

On that note, I was totally surprised to read recently about people finding them as far north as westport, so that alone supports any reason for a concerted effort in expanding their known habitat, in my book.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
    #19138927 - 11/14/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

weren't they just found quite far south also? Like, half way to the dunes? But I also want people to seek them up-river. Particualrly on watersheds of non-urbanized areas. Maybe they aren't there, but if they are, it at least becomes slightly harder to argue that that's human cultivation driving them that direction.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: canid]
    #19138933 - 11/14/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah today someone posted a lincoln county azure haul.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
    #19139221 - 11/15/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Chuck.Watch for Habitats Like these while driving on any state routes on or near Whidby islnd.(Hint,Hint).But in my opinion, "puttin in work" is the best way to find what your looking for. No matter what that may be. It took 4 years for me too find my first p. cyanescens. and enjoyed every minute of it. I never even heard of the shroomery until i bought a half used spore syringe and investigated the name on said syringe. Needless to say. took me 2 years too get my first p. cubensis too fruit. Mabye i am just slow. [url=http://files.shroomery.org/files/12-47/368087997-121014_0002.jpg]


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #19140091 - 11/15/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks randallsbook (can I call you RB for short?) I've been keeping my eyes open. I think just having something to be on the lookout for when driving is a wonderful distraction from the daily grind anyway and it may be part of why I hunt mushrooms. Life's hard enough without something else to think about :wink: Many years ago it was trendy in my area to remove alders. Most of the wood chips around here seem to be mixed conifer wood and bark... And no cyans. On the south end there are still plenty of alders and that's where I found cyans in chips. So I'm guessing that there may be a regional difference in the wood chip mix.?. That's why I asked about alternative habitats. Of the half dozen large wood chip areas I've found only one had a patch. I do know the general appearance of the chips I'm looking for, but after enough time most wood chips look very similar.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Chuck H]
    #19140099 - 11/15/13 08:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

also Chuck, even the best hunters can overlook them and pass them by.  just because they aren't asking to be found doesn't mean they aren't somewhere hiding under a fern or bush or leaves.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
    #19140150 - 11/15/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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On that note, I was totally surprised to read recently about people finding them as far north as westport, so that alone supports any reason for a concerted effort in expanding their known habitat, in my book.




My only azzie patch that I pick is in westport. Now here is the rub. Mushies don't own maps or calenders, they grow and reproduce simply based on spore distribution, light, and humidity levels. Using this reasoning, I have been on my knees in the grasses for WEEKS combing the beach in the belief they MUST follow the coast as far north as Canada. Yet I cannot, for the life of me, find a single azzie north of westport.:shrug: I don't get it.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Chuck H]
    #19140202 - 11/15/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks randallsbook (can I call you RB for short?) I've been keeping my eyes open. I think just having something to be on the lookout for when driving is a wonderful distraction from the daily grind anyway and it may be part of why I hunt mushrooms. Life's hard enough without something else to think about :wink: Many years ago it was trendy in my area to remove alders. Most of the wood chips around here seem to be mixed conifer wood and bark... And no cyans. On the south end there are still plenty of alders and that's where I found cyans in chips. So I'm guessing that there may be a regional difference in the wood chip mix.?. That's why I asked about alternative habitats. Of the half dozen large wood chip areas I've found only one had a patch. I do know the general appearance of the chips I'm looking for, but after enough time most wood chips look very similar.




I have the same problem in my neck of the woods. All the landscaping in my VERY small town are bark, or some mix that doesn't produce cyans. I find all mine in a small niche wild habitat where it is heavily conifer with blackberry and wood "pieces"(like when an area was cleared years ago,then overgrew)lying about. Near civilization. As a result the 1 patch I have found this year produces very small amounts. The plus is that it appears I am the ONLY person harvesting there. I have gathered maybe an OZ dried(cyan/azzie mix). I am unemployed so I have plenty of time to hunt and do so voraciously(about 40 hrs a week, maybe more). While I am new to hunting/identifying actives, I am a veteran edible gatherer/wildcrafter, so I understand habitat. Yet this is all I have found.:shrug:


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: ZippyHippyinWA]
    #19141082 - 11/15/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have to wonder if there isn't some minor conspiracy against cyan hunters regarding the wood chips. When it was common to use shredder mulch as cheap ground cover I'm sure someone noticed all the goof balls loitering around with baggies in hand!!! Maybe so few of the "correct" wood chips are in use now strictly because they're the correct wood chips and abatement efforts are in practice. Like the inclusion of cedar and bark chips and only a certain amount of hardwood.

One thing I HAVE considered is visiting the patches I've found and spreading alder sawdust and chips. Not so much as to be really obvious, but enough to bump next years crop.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Chuck H]
    #19141094 - 11/15/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have to wonder if there isn't some minor conspiracy against cyan hunters regarding the wood chips. When it was common to use shredder mulch as cheap ground cover I'm sure someone noticed all the goof balls loitering around with baggies in hand!!! Maybe so few of the "correct" wood chips are in use now strictly because they're the correct wood chips and abatement efforts are in practice. Like the inclusion of cedar and bark chips and only a certain amount of hardwood.

One thing I HAVE considered is visiting the patches I've found and spreading alder sawdust and chips. Not so much as to be really obvious, but enough to bump next years crop.



OR. just take your stem butts or a bit of mycelium from a known area and make your own ghetto bed. Or just buy woodchips for your garden and start a bed.


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    #19141110 - 11/15/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have to wonder if there isn't some minor conspiracy against cyan hunters regarding the wood chips. When it was common to use shredder mulch as cheap ground cover I'm sure someone noticed all the goof balls loitering around with baggies in hand!!! Maybe so few of the "correct" wood chips are in use now strictly because they're the correct wood chips and abatement efforts are in practice. Like the inclusion of cedar and bark chips and only a certain amount of hardwood.

One thing I HAVE considered is visiting the patches I've found and spreading alder sawdust and chips. Not so much as to be really obvious, but enough to bump next years crop.




My wife says the same thing...lol. I tell her she is just paranoid. I swear though next spring I am going fucking crazy with some liquid culture from this years prints and a battery op supersoaker(they shoot further), wait and see, BLACKBERRIES HERE I COME!


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Hashfinger]
    #19144560 - 11/16/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Hashfinger said:OR. just take your stem butts or a bit of mycelium from a known area and make your own ghetto bed. Or just buy woodchips for your garden and start a bed.




I've considered it. But for me it would only be a novelty. I still don't know if I'll "experiment" further with the ones I've found. So, since my hobby is actually mushroom "hunting", It's more about finding them than actually having them for me right now.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Chuck H]
    #19145519 - 11/16/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My take on the wood chip theory is washingtonians are tired of looking at bland old alder chips. Don't worry, alder creates its own nitrogen so its growth is super fast. In no time the countys supply will be to big to ignore and will b used again. Remember some times its best to get out and walk a few feet off the shoulder and feel whats really the substrate underfoot. Lots and lots of overlooked prime habitat. Because now days it may not look as it did when layed out. Things may grow and apear unlandscaped but underneth its stii good old woodchips.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: NothingsChanged]
    #19145636 - 11/16/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think its more there using there own woidchips and mulch out of each park. If there's lots of alders in a park there will be alot of alder chips. Parks don't buy woodchips anymore, they just chip there own everyyear and there's alot of federal in Washington.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: tnj8228]
    #19145691 - 11/16/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think its more there using there own woidchips and mulch out of each park. If there's lots of alders in a park there will be alot of alder chips. Parks don't buy woodchips anymore, they just chip there own everyyear and there's alot of federal in Washington.






Correct.  What happens is that they chip the trees that fall in storms, since you can't throw trees in the garbage.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19145739 - 11/16/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Meant ceder. Not federal. Throw stem buts in the big woodchip piles they use to mulch there gardens. Most community centers have a fenced off area where they chip the fallen branches. Got to inoculate that whole pile,  then the whole park is a cyan bed.


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    #19146555 - 11/16/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Most of the trees in my area that come down in storms, are cleared to make room for outbuildings, begin to root shove man made things, etc. are fir and hemlock. There are plenty of alder stands on private, unimproved property, but most public land is virtually devoid. The attitude seems to be that no decent woodland or respectable property has anything but evergreens on it. I drove for three hours today in hopes of finding habitat. It's very near the end of the season (in my area). Total bust. I checked public parks, storage yards, apt. complexes, sport fields, utility yards and places like that. One problem became immediately evident... You can't wander around public places staring at perimeters and wood chip beds without looking suspicious. It's a small world where I live too. I'm not worried about authorities, but people I know! Or people that know people I know. If there are people around I walk my dog or pretend I'm on the phone.

The other day I was at a park where I found a patch earlier and a guy pulled in right behind me. Out came my phone and I pretended to be on it while strolling. He stood around for a few minutes and then took his dog from the car. He pretended to walk his dog, but never walked far away enough that he couldn't watch me!?! So I walked away from him up a loop trail. He followed and loitered far enough behind that he wouldn't have to deal with confrontation. Then I returned to my car and he did the same. I sat in my car and read a book for ten minutes before he left. OK... The coast is clear! I got out of my car and walked to where my patch is. It's very near a large sign at the pull in to the park and is visible to a road, but not a busy one. Well the guy is there!!! Parked on the side of the road with his truck facing my patch!?! Out comes my phone! I stood there pretending to send a text for a second and then walked back to my truck and drove away. I don't know if the guy was some kind of off duty cop or if maybe I made HIS patch this year before he got to it. But he was definitely on to me and hiding it poorly.

It was actually a kick in the ass. Sort of.


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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: canid]
    #19146721 - 11/16/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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In seriousness though; I think azurescens should be more earnestly sought north and south along the coast, and up relevant watersheds.

The columbia to the gorge seems promising since this river has the oldest established presence, but this might of course be an artifact of that fact. I still am not convinced that it's range is conclusively demonstrated as of the last two decades, and it consider it likely enough that everybody being told where to stop seeking it has been a factor on the known extent thereof.




There are also plenty of people cultivating their own personal patches well inland, and those spores are now blowing around in places they may not have been before.  I know of a couple places in Portland they have been established through efforts of cultivators.  I would not be surprised to see azures become more common in urban environments due to this, but you never know...  they do seem to resist domestication a little more than cyans in my opinion.


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