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Chuck H
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Cyans-different habitats
#19137988 - 11/14/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm finding these for the first time this year. Mostly because I've never targeted them. I've been hunting edibles for many years though. After finding a good patch of cyans I became fascinated and starting actually looking for them. This first patch WAS in wood chips of apparently the right type. As many here know, most of the places that use to have wood chips are now bark mulch, cedar chips or a combination. The few areas of wood chips I have found don't seem to be productive (must be too many cedar chips and not enough alder???). But I have been finding small patches (two to six cyans) in old garden areas overgrown with grass. In a local park I found an "area" along the bottom of a grassy hill where debris gathers that produced twenty cyans (and many other mushrooms) along thirty linear feet where the hill bottom meets some shrubs. I guess my gist is... In my area the wood chip habitat doesn't happen. Even old, poorly maintained apartment complexes are using bark. I am finding cyans in other habitats, but not many and not often. Will anyone offer tips on what to look for other than "wood chips"? I'm still hoping to find the right "chips" of course and score a good haul, but I don't see it happening.
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Edited by Chuck H (11/14/13 07:54 PM)
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Chuck H] 1
#19138011 - 11/14/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chuck H said: I'm finding these for the first time this year. Mostly because I've never targeted them. I've been hunting edibles for many years though. After finding a good patch of cyans I became fascinated and starting actually looking for them. This first patch WAS in wood chips of apparently the right type. As many here know, most of the places that use to have wood chips are now bark mulch, cedar chips or a combination. The few areas of wood chips I have found don't seem to be productive (must be too many cedar chips and not enough alder???). But I have been finding small patches (two to six cyans) in old garden areas overgrown with grass. In a local park I found an "area" along the bottom of a grassy hill where debris gathers that produced twenty cyans (and many other mushrooms) along thirty linear feet where the hill bottom meets some shrubs. I guess my gist is... In my area the wood chip habitat doesn't happen. Even old, poorly maintained apartment complexes are using bark. I am finding cyans in other habitats, but not many and not often. Will anyone offer tips on what to look for other than "wood chips"? I'm still hoping to find the right "chips" of course and score a good haul, but I don't see it happening.
Thanks
Instead of looking for landscaped areas with woodchips, try looking for chips in less intentional areas where stumps have been ground up or trees have been removed. Other places might be riparian habitats where debris collects.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Chuck H]
#19138014 - 11/14/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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as for non wood mulch, you may be able to find cyanescens, cyanofibrillosa or azurescens in the riparian zone along a beach. I am however not familiar with Whidbey Island enough to say for sure. Would be a very valiant effort, with possibility of a nice haul. I would also look in any clearcut areas for psilocybin mushrooms.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Chuck H]
#19138023 - 11/14/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bust out Google maps and go park hunting you can eliminate alot of areas this way.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138046 - 11/14/13 08:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jet li said: as for non wood mulch, you may be able to find cyanescens, cyanofibrillosa or azurescens in the riparian zone along a beach. I am however not familiar with Whidbey Island enough to say for sure. Would be a very valiant effort, with possibility of a nice haul. I would also look in any clearcut areas for psilocybin mushrooms.
Yeah if I lived in your guys' parts I'd be checking the riverbanks in the grasses and debris piles for ovoids. Also, can't miss your chance for some libs in a pasture...
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Hashfinger]
#19138078 - 11/14/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: riverbanks in the grasses and debris piles for ovoids.
Maybe one day I am under the impression that is more likely to happen in eastern north america, for now. As P. ovoids has been merely an introduced species, here in the PNW, and a riverbank find would blow my fucking mind.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138239 - 11/14/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hashfinger said: riverbanks in the grasses and debris piles for ovoids.
Maybe one day I am under the impression that is more likely to happen in eastern north america, for now. As P. ovoids has been merely an introduced species, here in the PNW, and a riverbank find would blow my fucking mind.
They'll be where the wood and moisture is! If that includes your riverbanks, then I'd say your chances are probably pretty good. I remember some posts about them being introduced to europe and spreading pretty far, quickly and vigorously.
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Chuck H
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138254 - 11/14/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great advice! Thanks!
The first patch I found was in a park and the most prolific. And of course, in wood chips. So I searched for any other parks managed by the same organization hoping that they might have used the same chips elsewhere, but no dice Whidbey is a smaller place than first impressions might elude and parks are typically forests or beaches. Usually trimmed in gravel or nothing at all. But this is my first year and I'm sure It'll get better as I find possible habitat throughout the off season. Too bad this season is wrapping up, but that's always how it starts for me. Since I've only just began targeting this species after stumbling on it I'm sure it will be much like other mushrooms I hunt. I have good spots for chanterelles and morels now, but I sure didn't when I first started looking for them. The tips are a great help. It doesn't hurt that I work a service job that has me in different locations all the time. This is going to be fun. And if I decide to experiment further it could be fun like I haven't had in many years Still on the fence right now.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: Chuck H]
#19138262 - 11/14/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my experience the wild dune cyans are not so grouped and harder to find, with much more effort bustling around in tall grass and bushes tripping over dead hunters bodies who were murdered by children, but it's worth a shot.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138306 - 11/14/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jet li said:
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Hashfinger said: riverbanks in the grasses and debris piles for ovoids.
Maybe one day I am under the impression that is more likely to happen in eastern north america, for now. As P. ovoids has been merely an introduced species, here in the PNW, and a riverbank find would blow my fucking mind.
It's always blown my mind not to see species like Psilocybe cyanescens do this. They and P. pelliculosa do this to a more limited extent on minor drainages and slopes, but for whatever reason, not major river systems in my experience.
I've also wondered, since I don't mind speculation, if this evidences that Psilocybe azurescens may be non-native, since they do not seem to come from up the columbia.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: canid]
#19138469 - 11/14/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is not safe science to say that any species is non-native based on its habitat limitations. Would be interesting to find that P. azurescens had ever existed anywhere other than the PNW coast, indigenously.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138746 - 11/14/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jet li said: It is not safe science to say that any species is non-native based on its habitat limitations.
Did I say that? I'm pretty sure I said something else.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: canid]
#19138778 - 11/14/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess I thought you meant since there is no evidence that they had previously been inland species, carried down the columbia to the ocean, rather they are strictly a coastal species...thus your hypothetical conclusion that they must have originated from another part of the world and invades PNW coastline, perhaps?
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138793 - 11/14/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow that was fucking a different language.....ok. well, to further this discussion, I find it eerily probably that all this shit came from fucking outerspace. THAT is the trippiest feeling in the universe.....that this is all actually fucking and shit.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138802 - 11/14/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jet li said: wow that was fucking a different language.....ok. well, to further this discussion, I find it eerily probably that all this shit came from fucking outerspace. THAT is the trippiest feeling in the universe.....that this is all actually fucking and shit.
We did, too.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: kneesocks]
#19138810 - 11/14/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138820 - 11/14/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Be careful of the conclusions you draw. Speculation is always fair, and it usually gives enough wiggle room to account for what works out to be the case. Conclusions paint you into corners.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: canid]
#19138834 - 11/14/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah i see what i did now. You were just saying what if, and I was like dude I can't believe you really believe that. sorry. my bad.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138840 - 11/14/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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that being said, I totally believe it is more like some azure spore came from outerspace, and they happened to be something that was able to live happily on a stretch of PNW coastline. That's my conclusion, and I'm sticking with it until proven guilty of being an alien freak....which shouldn't be too hard to do. lol.
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Re: Cyans-different habitats [Re: jet li]
#19138846 - 11/14/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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jet li said: that being said, I totally believe it is more like some azure spore came from outerspace
I'm not ruling that out.
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and I'm sticking with it until proven guilty of being an alien freak....which shouldn't be too hard to do
sure, it shouldn't be, and yet :P
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