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athiest church?
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I have tried almost every religion just to see what it's like and they all feel lacking in truth and unwilling to take a step forward.So i am trying to start an atheist church ;I'll try to teach being a good person even using other religious "stories" and reach out and help the community. I'm not looking for tax free stuff even I just want to end religion and make sure no one believes in sky ferries so we can interact on a real world basis and have one less reason to hate eachother as to unlock our full potential as humans. So how many would join and actually try to make An Atheist America ?
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"Atheist church"
And the cycle continues.
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Re: athiest church? [Re: Icelander] 1
#19137221 - 11/14/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am going to start an "I don't believe in Bigfoot" church. 
We can all share our levels of disbelief weekly in addition to stories of bigfeet we never saw.
This week's topic: "Why there probably are no bigfoots on Mars."
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Re: athiest church? [Re: kneesocks]
#19137224 - 11/14/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kneesocks said: "Atheist church"
And the cycle continues.
how do you figure an athiest church would teach that all religions are bad and just try not to be a dick. church is just a word to represent a place of meeting here maybe i shouldn't go with that. How about an "atheist lighhouse" ? atheist dojo?? atheist platypus!!? hmmm.....
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Atheism is not a religion, thus does not require a church.
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Doesn't the concept of church go against the entire philosophy of atheism? In my opinion, most atheists would probably be against the ritualistic tradition of "church", and would instead spread their ideas through natural conversation.
When you congregate a large group of people together (given the number continually grows), it starts to cost money. This atheist "church" would soon need to start accepting donations to fund a place large enough for all of the supporters, and by tht point; it wouldn't take long for this "church" to become just as convoluted as any form of mass worship.
Also, what exactly would be the appeal of an atheist "church"? I feel like the novelty would wear off shortly after it opened. There is already a group called "American Athiests": http://www.atheists.org/
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but spreading atheism does and it's not gonna be called church but something i havn't thought of yet maybe platypus "hey you goin to platypuss this week?" "yea see at platypus." idk i gotta a ways to go but really it's not hard to spread non-religion, you don't need much il just tell everyone that comes "you are wrong and always have been so shut up and sit down! "
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Doesn't the concept of church go against the entire philosophy of atheism?
Atheism is not a philosophy. The end.
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There probably already is an atheist organisation at a big city near you. Im sure you could go to their meetings. I'd rather hit up the local astronomy club myself.
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Doesn't the concept of church go against the entire philosophy of atheism?
Atheism is not a philosophy. The end.
I was at a loss for words. It's not a proper philosophy, but it's certainly not a religion. I figured a guy talking about an "atheist church" would overlook such semantics.
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but really it's not hard to spread non-religion
Pros:
1. No donating 10% of income.
2. No silly verses to memorize.
3. No altar boys to diddle. (That could be a negative selling point. YMMV)
4. Don't hafta wear magic underpants.
Cons:
1. No holiday presents! 
2. It is fun breaking commandments and sinning.
3. You must actually take responsibility for your actions.
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I think it's a strange concept. I've never understood why someone identifying as an atheist feels compelled to share the information? I would be like someone running around saying "I didn't wet the bed last night..." If nothing there is nothing to talk about then why bother???
I think that misses the point tho... I think the idea is supposed to be some formalised system of people who share similar worldviews meeting together... But then again it's based upon the "nothing there" premise... A bunch of people gathering to talk about nothing?
Surely my own worldview interrupts my perception here but I've never really had a problem with atheists. Significantly moreso with people who identify themselves as Christian then act quite retarded makes me want to do this:
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Are you aware that much of drug prohibition comes from religion?
GIGO: Irrational thought = irrational action (generally)
Atheism is a position on a single issue. I would love to see critical thinking applied to ALL important issues. Instead we are largely guided by culture, tradition and emotion.
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I'm well aware of a lot of the terrible things done in the name of religion. Drug prohibition is surely in the shallow end of the spectrum.
I'ts rough to write off tradition and culture in the boundaries of society. Sadly a lot of oppressed people have lost their tradition and culture due to emotion handed down by oppressing cultures.
I'm not sure if there is need for a group of people to gather under a view point on a single issue.
To do good to others, if this is what the atheist church wishes to do is based on culture and tradition. some of the earliest records thereof are found in the earlier books of Torah/The Bible.
This is where I struggle on the concept...
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andrewmurray86 said: I'm well aware of a lot of the terrible things done in the name of religion. Drug prohibition is surely in the shallow end of the spectrum.
I'ts rough to write off tradition and culture in the boundaries of society. Sadly a lot of oppressed people have lost their tradition and culture due to emotion handed down by oppressing cultures.
I'm not sure if there is need for a group of people to gather under a view point on a single issue.
To do good to others, if this is what the atheist church wishes to do is based on culture and tradition. some of the earliest records thereof are found in the earlier books of Torah/The Bible.
This is where I struggle on the concept...
How do you feel when you see Jehovah's witnesses going around, bothering people who are eating or approaching houses and shoving their beliefs into people's faces?
And how do you feel when you imagine you and your church/club/group spreading atheism in the exact same way?
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i heard America is getting more and more atheists lately and yea thats not quite it i still want to stress good morals like not stealing/cheating and treating everyone equally.just not not this yea your equally but your gonna burn in hell so who cares about you bullshit.or that this politician is ok because he is Lutheran like me. Religion holds people back by asking god for help instead of doing something about it. also that the world is ok because god will take care of things when it is not ok at all. also it holds back women in alot of religions quite horribly in some places, as well as animals which don't have "souls". countless wars in the past present and future with countless lives lost and all for god... really we should put an end to it and thats alot of shit to end so yea we should meet and talk it's been going on for way longer than any other problem humanity has had so maybe it's time is up  yea but have you talked to Jehovah's witnesses because i have and they are dumb as shit if an intelligent person had real intelligent points i would have had a much better conversation and attitude towards them.
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First, I get what OP is saying, and also I agree. While believers in the strangest most fucked up shit (like Abrahamic religions ) go out on Sunday and meet and chill in decent places with stained glass deco, atheist have no social gatherings of any regularity.
I would totally expect them to have some sort of Sunday philosophy school, any kind of socializing place that was regular. Or Sunday orgy, or whatever might seem appropriate, but there's nothing of the sort. They don't get the enthusiasm that baptists get, they don't get the music and art that comes in some churches and temples. All of this has benefits, and could be nicely done without believing strange superstitions. So I see OP's point. I wouldn't call it a church though, I'd call it a chillout area 
All that being said, OP you missed the most important church there is. Santo Daime. I bet all the churches you went to had nothing psychoactive during the mass, just wailing, mumbling, chanting and waving the hands in the air. In other words, placebo crap. Try one with actual active substances, see the awesome difference. What should atheists do when Baptists sing and Muslims bow and Jews blow goat horns in the Synagogue? Gather for nice drum circles and drop a nice psych of the week, and then drum and chant all Sunday. Come Monday you'll see totally different conversations around the water cooler
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Re: athiest church? [Re: kneesocks] 1
#19137610 - 11/14/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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kneesocks said: How do you feel when you see Jehovah's witnesses going around, bothering people who are eating or approaching houses and shoving their beliefs into people's faces?
And how do you feel when you imagine you and your church/club/group spreading atheism in the exact same way?
I'm not sure where you were going here? I am embarrassed of a lot of the things my religion does although I wouldn't identify with Jehovah's Witnesses.
I try to act like Christ not sit behind my bible and quote scriptures out of context to support my hate.
Having studied the bible properly it's amazing what some people have done with it, in a bad way... And it is amazing what some people have achieved for good with it.
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