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first time with cakes.... all turning blue?
#19136680 - 11/14/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have 5 cakes in a properly constructed (1/4" holes every 2") SGFC, 2 of which were birthed 6 days ago and the other 3 being birthed 5 days ago. They seemed to be doing pretty well, however, yesterday I noticed that all the cakes (well, mostly the first 2 but the other 3 are following) were turning blue, starting at the around the edge at the top. I don't think it is from handling, I have handled them a bit but the blue doesn't seem to be only confined to those areas... They don't smell funny either. I know that this commonly comes from lack of moisture, but I have been misting rather heavily, and I have them in a walk-in closet (with the door wide open most of the time, but still) so I assumed my only problem would be FAE... Did dunk for 24 hours.... What should I do? Only have 4 or so inches of perlite so I was thinking of adding some more, bring up to 5 inches maybe? Any thoughts appreciated.
oh, and I forgot, the few pins that there are on one of the cakes also seem to be turning a little blue, if that means anything...
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19136692 - 11/14/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You might be misting the cakes with too much pressure.
You want to mist them gently with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber.
If you hit them with any kind of pressure, there will be bruiting.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: PussyFart]
#19136798 - 11/14/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: You might be misting the cakes with too much pressure.
You want to mist them gently with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber.
If you hit them with any kind of pressure, there will be bruiting.
Thought about this... I am misting from a good foot away, as far as I can get and still have the majority of the mist land in the chamber... It is fine mist, although my spray bottle is pretty shitty I imagine it gets the job done just fine. Could it be anything else? Not saying that isn't it but I've been trying to mist as gently as possible
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19136891 - 11/14/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Heavy water perhaps?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Toad83]
#19136961 - 11/14/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well some call it hard water, but maybe that on top of direct misting or whatever the case may be. You may want to start misting with distilled water, filtered etc.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Toad83]
#19137016 - 11/14/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no just get a mister that gives a fine mist, do you a a fan running in the room?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: cronicr]
#19137041 - 11/14/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: twistedty]
#19137075 - 11/14/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My spray bottle gives a fine mist... Does distilled water really make that much of difference? It couldn't be over misting could it? Will work on pics but computer is done currently so it might be a bit
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Toad83]
#19137079 - 11/14/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Toad83 said: You may want to start misting with distilled water
No, this is very bad info.
Only use distilled water for spore syringes.
Distilled water is a solvent....you do not want it touching anything but spores.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: PussyFart]
#19137234 - 11/14/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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 Attempt at a shitty pic from my phone... Can't see it very well, ill try for a better one if needed
Oh, and notahacker, thank you for clearing that up. And you can see the blue if you look vey closely on the top and upper left
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19137264 - 11/14/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it looks dry
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: cronicr]
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: cronicr]
#19137375 - 11/14/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19137379 - 11/14/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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dunk those cakes if theey feeel light, check your perlite and make sure theres no fan running
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: cronicr]
#19137413 - 11/14/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: dunk those cakes if theey feeel light, check your perlite and make sure theres no fan running
Even if I've already dunked last week? I don't know exactly how heavy they are supposed to be as this is my first time... Seem a lil light but heavier than when they first were birthed from the jars... No fan in the room/walk in, just typical heating although I'm sure that's been running since its winter and I'm in the mountains... Perlite has some moisture content, how wet should it feel? I will add an inch or two and spray it down well
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19137772 - 11/14/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dunking one now to see if it helps... Do I roll in verm after this second dunk?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19141842 - 11/15/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well the cake that got dunked ended up even more blue than the rest... Any ideas?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19141905 - 11/15/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the main thing is that it gets moisture, if it's wet enough toss it in the fruiting chamber
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: cronicr]
#19142163 - 11/15/13 06:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: the main thing is that it gets moisture, if it's wet enough toss it in the fruiting chamber
Done... Just a bit curious as to why the one I dunked came out far worse than the others... As far as the others go, one is pinning but many of the pins are very blue, and despite increasing misting the other 3 are continuing to get more blue. It is very, very dry where I live, what else can I do (now or in the future) to work with this lack of humidity/prevent my cakes and perlite from drying out in a week? Will monotubs work better in this environment than an SGFC?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19142170 - 11/15/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mist more it may have been a little damaged during the dunk
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: cronicr]
#19142178 - 11/15/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In the limited time that I did cakes, they always came out of the dunk blue.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19142220 - 11/15/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In my experience cubensis mycelium always turns a little bit blue in spots. Since there isn't much vermiculite on your cakes they could be drying out between misting.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Wingman]
#19142851 - 11/15/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wingman said: In my experience cubensis mycelium always turns a little bit blue in spots. Since there isn't much vermiculite on your cakes they could be drying out between misting.
Yeah I had trouble getting the verm to stay on the cake during the first few mistings. Been misting lots, 2 of the cakes are almost entirely blue but I guess I'll see what happens. The one that is pinning's sides are bowed in towards the top, is that normal or a sign that it is too dry?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19142885 - 11/15/13 09:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that's normal, the cakes will get thinner as the mushrooms grow
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Wingman]
#19145892 - 11/16/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, it's been a week, and all the cakes are still pretty damn blue... One is pinning, only with a few pins though, and 2 others have 2-3 tiny primordia. Increased misting hasn't seemed to help tr blue color much, still. Found a cool mist humidifier I already had, could running it part or all of the day in the same room help maybe?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19145980 - 11/16/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How heavy are the cakes? They looked dry but it could be that they are over hydrated. That can cause them to bruise and will prevent pinning as well
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19146216 - 11/16/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: How heavy are the cakes? They looked dry but it could be that they are over hydrated. That can cause them to bruise and will prevent pinning as well 
that is exactly what I have started to wonder about. ran that humidifier last night and it appears the one I dunked a few days ago is getting less blue, so that points to drying out, but I thought I was misting pretty heavy even at the very start... as far as weight, I really don't know how heavy they are supposed to be.... they seem a lil light, the one that's pinning hardest, at least; but they are heavier than they were when I first birthed them from the jar.
as far as pinning goes... I'll put up a pic in a bit, but for a week in, how does it sound like they're doing?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19146310 - 11/16/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've found that the mycelium will turn blue when misted after getting too dry. There is such an animal as too much fanning/FAE. Have you been peeking a lot?
If it turned blue, well, there's nothing that you can really do about it now. Just mist them down, keep the RH high, and keeping them warm couldn't hurt. It's getting to be winter now (I presume you're in the Northern Hemisphere) and everything gets drier. They're not going to un-blue, so you might as well keep on truckin'.
We tend to smother our babies. Fairly recently, I went on vacation for a week and had to shove the whole operation underneath the bed and hope for the best. Behold:

These are cakes. Most of the fruits are a bit past their prime, but I didn't really have much of a choice. The point is, I learned that they benefit from not being micromanaged and so I give them a little privacy.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19146432 - 11/16/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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BittrBuffalo said: I've found that the mycelium will turn blue when misted after getting too dry. There is such an animal as too much fanning/FAE. Have you been peeking a lot?
If it turned blue, well, there's nothing that you can really do about it now. Just mist them down, keep the RH high, and keeping them warm couldn't hurt. It's getting to be winter now (I presume you're in the Northern Hemisphere) and everything gets drier. They're not going to un-blue, so you might as well keep on truckin'.
We tend to smother our babies. Fairly recently, I went on vacation for a week and had to shove the whole operation underneath the bed and hope for the best. Behold:

These are cakes. Most of the fruits are a bit past their prime, but I didn't really have much of a choice. The point is, I learned that they benefit from not being micromanaged and so I give them a little privacy.
Good luck! 
interesting. I have been "peeking" a lot to give a small fan but I wouldn't say excessively so, I do try to keep up with fanning very often because the SGFC is in a walk-in closet. that being said, maybe the fact that the door is open almost 24/7 to the rest of room means that FAE is fine. I am indeed in the northern hemisphere, in a very cold and dry place during the winter, which is why I was wondering if a cool mist humidifier could be of help.
but, without further ado, here are some pictures:

 those are both of the one cake that is farthest along. next one is one of the other 2 cakes that have shown growth, no pic of the 3rd cake but it's almost the same as the 2nd.
 for a week... how do they look?
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19146467 - 11/16/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those all look aborted to me. They do look dry and the caps are quite small. Do you have a light for them? How deep is the perlite in the SGFC? Is it elevated? Are there holes in the bottom? Some pics of the whole setup would be good as something is not right.
I live in a cold dry place and I find that I need to have 5-6 inches of perlite and need to re-moisten it every 2-3 days if it is going to work properly. If your climate is similar to mine then the standard 4 inches of perlite might not cut the mustard. Also cut your fanning back. You mist then fan 2 to 3 times a day. Misting twice a day and fanning 5 times a day is probably gonna mess shit up (especially if your climate is like mine). Excessive fanning does not provide FAE but it will dry out your shit. If your concerned with FAE then get the SGFC outta the closet, or at least leave the door open.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19146542 - 11/16/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Those all look aborted to me. They do look dry and the caps are quite small. Do you have a light for them? How deep is the perlite in the SGFC? Is it elevated? Are there holes in the bottom? Some pics of the whole setup would be good as something is not right.
I live in a cold dry place and I find that I need to have 5-6 inches of perlite and need to re-moisten it every 2-3 days if it is going to work properly. If your climate is similar to mine then the standard 4 inches of perlite might not cut the mustard. Also cut your fanning back. You mist then fan 2 to 3 times a day. Misting twice a day and fanning 5 times a day is probably gonna mess shit up (especially if your climate is like mine). Excessive fanning does not provide FAE but it will dry out your shit. If your concerned with FAE then get the SGFC outta the closet, or at least leave the door open.
cfl per the tek, however, it is very far above the cakes... maybe the could benefit from getting it a little closer, with 2 feet or so? started with 4 inches of perlite, increased to 5 a couple days ago, as well as rewetting the perlite slightly just in case. been misting a lot but fanning more, I'll cut down on that.... should the cakes always be at least slightly moist to the touch, or just in the hour or two after misting? door is open almost 24/7.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19146603 - 11/16/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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pics of the setup as requested (don't laugh, I do what I can)


 could someone elaborate on how wet the cakes should feel before I need to mist again? been misting a lot the past couple of days, the verm that fell off the cake and is sitting on the foil has stayed moist pretty much all the time if that helps you guys...
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19146627 - 11/16/13 07:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have Agar dish's that are turning blue. It is the nature of the beast. Blueing isn't that big of a deal, everyone here is trying to help you with your cake situation and not trying to solve the problem of BLUE. Your cakes are dry, they still look dry. You might have to much evaporation going on, in this case I might suggest rewetting perlite or stop fanning so much.
You might have a case of bad genetics, were did you get your spores? If a vendor, please don't list the name. Only say a Vendor.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Sockadin]
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Well to be honest that all looks pretty good to me My guess is your misting and fanning schedule. Mist until the cakes glisten. Fan for 30 seconds to change out the air. If you find that the cakes always look real dry when you come back to them then increase the number of times you mist but don't mist them again if they still look wet.
Check if your perlite is still moist. I know that when I use my shotgun I gotta soak the perlite at least 2wice a week or it dries out. If your RH in your house is 15% or lower like mine is in the frozen wasteland that I live in, that could definitely be your problem. Otherwise I don't know what to say. I was never much of a cake guy anyway, so maybe someone else can spot whats wrong.
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Sockadin said: I have Agar dish's that are turning blue. It is the nature of the beast. Blueing isn't that big of a deal, everyone here is trying to help you with your cake situation and not trying to solve the problem of BLUE. Your cakes are dry, they still look dry. You might have to much evaporation going on, in this case I might suggest rewetting perlite or stop fanning so much.
Also I gotta agree that bluing happens. The first time I saw invitro bluing on a grain jar it freaked me out, but it happens. Can be a symptom of something, but not always.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19146688 - 11/16/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: Well to be honest that all looks pretty good to me My guess is your misting and fanning schedule. Mist until the cakes glisten. Fan for 30 seconds to change out the air. If you find that the cakes always look real dry when you come back to them then increase the number of times you mist but don't mist them again if they still look wet.
Check if your perlite is still moist. I know that when I use my shotgun I gotta soak the perlite at least 2wice a week or it dries out. If your RH in your house is 15% or lower like mine is in the frozen wasteland that I live in, that could definitely be your problem. Otherwise I don't know what to say. I was never much of a cake guy anyway, so maybe someone else can spot whats wrong.
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Sockadin said: I have Agar dish's that are turning blue. It is the nature of the beast. Blueing isn't that big of a deal, everyone here is trying to help you with your cake situation and not trying to solve the problem of BLUE. Your cakes are dry, they still look dry. You might have to much evaporation going on, in this case I might suggest rewetting perlite or stop fanning so much.
Also I gotta agree that bluing happens. The first time I saw invitro bluing on a grain jar it freaked me out, but it happens. Can be a symptom of something, but not always.
Good luck OP
if the cakes look wet, I shouldn't mist again, but what about if they feel wet/moist? They almost never look wet when I come back to mist again, although lightly touching a cake reveals that the cake itself is still moist (to varying degrees, but you get the idea). Is this proper? How do you go about rewetting your perlite? I have yet to soak it in a bathtub or anything but I poured quite a bit of water over it when I added the extra inch a couple days ago, and poured a bit more water over it today so we will see if that helps...
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: westthebest]
#19146728 - 11/16/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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First off I would avoid touching the cakes more than necessary. That's why we mist until cakes appear to glisten, and do so again when they look dry. Ideally the surface should never be dry. Just look dry As for the perlite, remove the cakes and soak the perlite with the shower head while its still in the tub. Rake the perlite back up a bit with your fingers too loosen it if it got compacted from the soak. Let the tub drain off, put your cakes back and check it every couple days to make sure its not dried out.
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Re: first time with cakes.... all turning blue? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19147564 - 11/16/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: First off I would avoid touching the cakes more than necessary. That's why we mist until cakes appear to glisten, and do so again when they look dry. Ideally the surface should never be dry. Just look dry As for the perlite, remove the cakes and soak the perlite with the shower head while its still in the tub. Rake the perlite back up a bit with your fingers too loosen it if it got compacted from the soak. Let the tub drain off, put your cakes back and check it every couple days to make sure its not dried out.
indeed, I have only touched them on a few occasions, such as seeing how heavy they are, and then only one or two cakes. but that sounds good. I'll give the perlite a good tub soak in a few days if it feels dry.
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