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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] * 2
    #19135989 - 11/14/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yup. I read the whole thing. Pasting the entire thing would be pointless as:
A. You don't read shit.
B. If you do read it, you don't grasp it.
C. The rest of it backed up the section I pasted, so the end result would be the same. A snarky response from someone who is relatively clueless.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] * 2
    #19135993 - 11/14/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes. He must faithfully execute the laws.

What part of the earlier posters comments were wrong? Obama doesn't get to pick and choose.




Actually, the executive branch has always had discretion in enforcement and implementation.  The law hasn't been changed.  It simply won't be fully enforced.  Completely legal, and constitutional.




See. You made my point. Had you actually read it you'd have seen:

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Quite the contrary: The Take Care Clause demands that the President obey the law, the Supreme Court said in Humphrey's Executor v. United States, and repudiates any notion that he may dispense with the law's execution.[22] In Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997), the Supreme Court explained how the President executes the law: "The Constitution does not leave to speculation who is to administer the laws enacted by Congress; the President, it says, "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed," Art. II, §3, personally and through officers whom he appoints (save for such inferior officers as Congress may authorize to be appointed by the "Courts of Law" or by "the Heads of Departments" who with other presidential appointees), Art. II, §2."




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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19136013 - 11/14/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You would have to make an argument that the law isn't being executed faithfully.

"The Constitution does not leave to speculation who is to administer the laws enacted by Congress; the President, it says, "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"

Yeah, that really doesn't give much insight into anything. 

You also miss the point of Humphrey's Executor v. United States.  Neither of the cases have anything to do with what we are discussing.  Yes, they do put limits on Clause 5, but not in the regards to the actual implementation of a newly passed law.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19136174 - 11/14/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I honestly couldn't care less about what you want.





No one cares about what you want either .

Entirely what's wrong with this country is we have idiots such as yourself with the biggest mouths making the biggest noise while the intelligent people are keeping quiet. We need to shut stupid people like you up so you don't get to speak because no one should have to listen to a stupid person.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: wowwtf]
    #19136188 - 11/14/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Obama and all of his cronies are just con artists that try to make themselves appear to be appealing to lower intelligence individuals because these people have nothing but hope in their minds and change in their pocket. That's why their poor and stupid at the same time. At the same time Obama is working only for his own interests and his contributors financial gains.

Obama is a skid mark that's all and the only thing poo/shit attracts is flies like mush4brains


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] * 2
    #19136275 - 11/14/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You would have to make an argument that the law isn't being executed faithfully.

"The Constitution does not leave to speculation who is to administer the laws enacted by Congress; the President, it says, "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"

Yeah, that really doesn't give much insight into anything. 

You also miss the point of Humphrey's Executor v. United States.  Neither of the cases have anything to do with what we are discussing.  Yes, they do put limits on Clause 5, but not in the regards to the actual implementation of a newly passed law.




:lol:

The plain language reading leaves no doubt.

Congress passes a law and Obama carves out exceptions and delays. Obama made the argument all on his own.

You know... your partisan hackery makes you look quite foolish.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19136391 - 11/14/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You mean the waivers and exemption he is, by law allowed to give?

So, you're saying, that you can't make a case that he isn't faithfully executing the law?


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] * 2
    #19136975 - 11/14/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Won't mean shit to me.  My insurance is gone as of 12/31.  So far it's just a speech.  Doesn't matter, the damage is done.  I was quite happy with my expensive as shit policy but it is gone.  Blather will not bring it back. 

I don't know what he is saying he is delaying but that is all he is doing.  Delaying.  Well actually he isn't even doing that.  He is saying he is delaying.  And golfing.  I can't wait until all the people with employer provided plans get their notices next year.  Woo hoo, welcome to my world suckaz.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19137799 - 11/14/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How convenient!  Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. :smirk:

The Republicans are going to rub the democrat's noses in this stinking turd of a law, make no mistake about it.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19137880 - 11/14/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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How convenient!  Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. :smirk:

The Republicans are going to rub the democrat's noses in this stinking turd of a law, make no mistake about it.




It's not illegal.  Only in your fantasy land do you make sense.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19137920 - 11/14/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
How convenient!  Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. :smirk:

The Republicans are going to rub the democrat's noses in this stinking turd of a law, make no mistake about it.




It's not illegal.  Only in your fantasy land do you make sense.




How convenient!  Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. :smirk:


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19137956 - 11/14/13 07:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Once again, you need to explain how it is illegal.  Neither you, luvdemshrooms, nor psychonaught can.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19137962 - 11/14/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Once again, you need to explain how it is illegal.  Neither you, luvdemshrooms, nor psychonaught can.





How convenient!  Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. :smirk:


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19137976 - 11/14/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow.  Must take a lot of intelligence to post the same thing over, and over, and over, and over.  So, no case law?  No precedent?  Just some butthurt republicans crying over Obama's actions?


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] * 2
    #19137981 - 11/14/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wow.  Must take a lot of intelligence to post the same thing over, and over, and over, and over.  So, no case law?  No precedent?  Just some butthurt republicans crying over Obama's actions?




How convenient!  Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. :smirk:


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19137992 - 11/14/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I thought so :smirk:.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19138000 - 11/14/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

To tell he truth, you neither merit an intelligent reply, nor is it worth any time or effort to reply to anything you say. 

How convenient!  Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. :smirk:


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19138037 - 11/14/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, so I see you got the green light from pris#1 to troll all you want, just like zappa and Therian.  Must be nice to have moderators who share the same political beliefs as you, and keep you on the long leash instead of the short one.

I mean, it just goes to show, if you're wrong, try to suppress the opposition, just like the GOP is doing with Voter ID.  It's fucking hilarious that none of you can hold up to an actual discussion without hyperbole, hate speech, and outright lies.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19138067 - 11/14/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm neither trying to suppress a point of view, posting 'hate speech,' nor am I lying about anything.  I merely stated that a response from you is not worth my time and effort anymore. 

That is, neither you nor your opinion are important to me.


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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19138073 - 11/14/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I tell you what.  Ignore my posts and I will ignore yours, OK?


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