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Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans
#19135734 - 11/14/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://news.yahoo.com/obama-to-make-obamacare-statement-at-11-35-a-m-145708141.html
Who would have thought he would extend it after the WONDERFUL rollout of Obamacare Hopefully this delay will lead to a full repeal of the law.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught] 1
#19135741 - 11/14/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Medicare for all. And no, the PPACA will never be repealed on Obama's watch. You realize that he would have to sign the bill that kills it, right? Get real. I mean seriously, do you realize how stupid of a premise that is?
Either way, I'm glad to see some common sense fixes to the implementation..
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135759 - 11/14/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Medicare for all.
Personal responsibility for all.
Obama doesn't necessarily have to sign it. When the Reps retake the Senate next year they need merely defund it.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms] 2
#19135789 - 11/14/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or the implementation will continue to be shit and carry over into the next administration where it will then be repealed. Or simply defunded as luv pointed out.
And medicare for all would be awful. The medicare system in this county is atrocious. I want healthcare that i pay for, so that it fits my needs. Not this one size fits all government bull shit.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135798 - 11/14/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I honestly couldn't care less about what you want.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135799 - 11/14/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would also like to point out that what he is doing is ILLEGAL without congressional approval.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135801 - 11/14/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: I honestly couldn't care less about what you want.
because you know whats best for every american right? Spoken like a true liberal.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135812 - 11/14/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: I would also like to point out that what he is doing is ILLEGAL without congressional approval.
No, it isn't.
Article 2, Section 3.
But, I wouldn't expect you to understand something so basic.
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psyconaught said: because you know whats best for every american right? Spoken like a true liberal.
I'm not even sure if you know what liberalism is.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19135822 - 11/14/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i know what modern liberalism is and i know what classical liberalism is. Technically i'm a classic liberal, i'm more liberal than you are in the traditional sense.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135847 - 11/14/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: i know what modern liberalism is and i know what classical liberalism is. Technically i'm a classic liberal, i'm more liberal than you are in the traditional sense.
If you want to use definitions from 1700, go ahead. I'm sure you'd like it back then. You could beat your women. You could own slaves and not have to pay them minimum wage. You could drink all the beer and smoke all the grass you want. Sounds like your time.
I'll be here in the 21st Century if you want to catch up with modern times.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135858 - 11/14/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: i know what modern liberalism is and i know what classical liberalism is. Technically i'm a classic liberal, i'm more liberal than you are in the traditional sense.
If you want to use definitions from 1700, go ahead. I'm sure you'd like it back then. You could beat your women. You could own slaves and not have to pay them minimum wage. You could drink all the beer and smoke all the grass you want. Sounds like your time.
I'll be here in the 21st Century if you want to catch up with modern times.
that some real mature discourse you got there. Apparently personal freedoms are not welcomed in the 21st century.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135868 - 11/14/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you calling slave ownership a personal freedom?
Why did you ignore the fact that you calling this move by Obama ILLEGAL is completely incorrect?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135898 - 11/14/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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slave ownership would be against classical liberal ideals because that would severely infringe upon the freedom of the slaves.
He did not get congressional approval and he is not issuing an executive order. He is merely deciding the law should be different.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135928 - 11/14/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Once again, Article 2, Section 3.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19135944 - 11/14/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what does the state of the union have to do with this?
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He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135958 - 11/14/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: what does the state of the union have to do with this?
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He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135959 - 11/14/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Once again, Article 2, Section 3.
You say the funniest things.
Clause 5: Caring for the faithful execution of the law
The President must "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."[17] This clause in the Constitution imposes a duty on the President to take due care while executing laws and is called the Take Care Clause,[18] also known as the Faithful Execution Clause.[19] This clause is meant to ensure that a law is faithfully executed by the President,[18] even if he disagrees with the purpose of that law.[20] By virtue of his executive power, the President may execute the law and control the law execution of others. Under the Take Care Clause, however, the President must exercise his law-execution power to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_5:_Caring_for_the_faithful_execution_of_the_law
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135964 - 11/14/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: what does the state of the union have to do with this?
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He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
Yes. He must faithfully execute the laws.
What part of the earlier posters comments were wrong? Obama doesn't get to pick and choose.
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19135980 - 11/14/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Once again, Article 2, Section 3.
You say the funniest things.
Clause 5: Caring for the faithful execution of the law
The President must "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."[17] This clause in the Constitution imposes a duty on the President to take due care while executing laws and is called the Take Care Clause,[18] also known as the Faithful Execution Clause.[19] This clause is meant to ensure that a law is faithfully executed by the President,[18] even if he disagrees with the purpose of that law.[20] By virtue of his executive power, the President may execute the law and control the law execution of others. Under the Take Care Clause, however, the President must exercise his law-execution power to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_5:_Caring_for_the_faithful_execution_of_the_law
Do you even read the whole sections of things you post, or do you just find something that vaguely defends your point and move on with it?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19135984 - 11/14/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Yes. He must faithfully execute the laws.
What part of the earlier posters comments were wrong? Obama doesn't get to pick and choose.
Actually, the executive branch has always had discretion in enforcement and implementation. The law hasn't been changed. It simply won't be fully enforced. Completely legal, and constitutional.
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