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Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans
#19135734 - 11/14/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://news.yahoo.com/obama-to-make-obamacare-statement-at-11-35-a-m-145708141.html
Who would have thought he would extend it after the WONDERFUL rollout of Obamacare Hopefully this delay will lead to a full repeal of the law.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught] 1
#19135741 - 11/14/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Medicare for all. And no, the PPACA will never be repealed on Obama's watch. You realize that he would have to sign the bill that kills it, right? Get real. I mean seriously, do you realize how stupid of a premise that is?
Either way, I'm glad to see some common sense fixes to the implementation..
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135759 - 11/14/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Medicare for all.
Personal responsibility for all.
Obama doesn't necessarily have to sign it. When the Reps retake the Senate next year they need merely defund it.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms] 2
#19135789 - 11/14/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Or the implementation will continue to be shit and carry over into the next administration where it will then be repealed. Or simply defunded as luv pointed out.
And medicare for all would be awful. The medicare system in this county is atrocious. I want healthcare that i pay for, so that it fits my needs. Not this one size fits all government bull shit.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135798 - 11/14/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I honestly couldn't care less about what you want.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135799 - 11/14/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would also like to point out that what he is doing is ILLEGAL without congressional approval.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135801 - 11/14/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: I honestly couldn't care less about what you want.
because you know whats best for every american right? Spoken like a true liberal.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135812 - 11/14/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: I would also like to point out that what he is doing is ILLEGAL without congressional approval.
No, it isn't.
Article 2, Section 3.
But, I wouldn't expect you to understand something so basic.
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psyconaught said: because you know whats best for every american right? Spoken like a true liberal.
I'm not even sure if you know what liberalism is.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19135822 - 11/14/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i know what modern liberalism is and i know what classical liberalism is. Technically i'm a classic liberal, i'm more liberal than you are in the traditional sense.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135847 - 11/14/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: i know what modern liberalism is and i know what classical liberalism is. Technically i'm a classic liberal, i'm more liberal than you are in the traditional sense.
If you want to use definitions from 1700, go ahead. I'm sure you'd like it back then. You could beat your women. You could own slaves and not have to pay them minimum wage. You could drink all the beer and smoke all the grass you want. Sounds like your time.
I'll be here in the 21st Century if you want to catch up with modern times.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
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psyconaught said: i know what modern liberalism is and i know what classical liberalism is. Technically i'm a classic liberal, i'm more liberal than you are in the traditional sense.
If you want to use definitions from 1700, go ahead. I'm sure you'd like it back then. You could beat your women. You could own slaves and not have to pay them minimum wage. You could drink all the beer and smoke all the grass you want. Sounds like your time.
I'll be here in the 21st Century if you want to catch up with modern times.
that some real mature discourse you got there. Apparently personal freedoms are not welcomed in the 21st century.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135868 - 11/14/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you calling slave ownership a personal freedom?
Why did you ignore the fact that you calling this move by Obama ILLEGAL is completely incorrect?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135898 - 11/14/13 11:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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slave ownership would be against classical liberal ideals because that would severely infringe upon the freedom of the slaves.
He did not get congressional approval and he is not issuing an executive order. He is merely deciding the law should be different.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135928 - 11/14/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once again, Article 2, Section 3.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19135944 - 11/14/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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what does the state of the union have to do with this?
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He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: psyconaught]
#19135958 - 11/14/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: what does the state of the union have to do with this?
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He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135959 - 11/14/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Once again, Article 2, Section 3.
You say the funniest things.
Clause 5: Caring for the faithful execution of the law
The President must "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."[17] This clause in the Constitution imposes a duty on the President to take due care while executing laws and is called the Take Care Clause,[18] also known as the Faithful Execution Clause.[19] This clause is meant to ensure that a law is faithfully executed by the President,[18] even if he disagrees with the purpose of that law.[20] By virtue of his executive power, the President may execute the law and control the law execution of others. Under the Take Care Clause, however, the President must exercise his law-execution power to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_5:_Caring_for_the_faithful_execution_of_the_law
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135964 - 11/14/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psyconaught said: what does the state of the union have to do with this?
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He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
Yes. He must faithfully execute the laws.
What part of the earlier posters comments were wrong? Obama doesn't get to pick and choose.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19135980 - 11/14/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Once again, Article 2, Section 3.
You say the funniest things.
Clause 5: Caring for the faithful execution of the law
The President must "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."[17] This clause in the Constitution imposes a duty on the President to take due care while executing laws and is called the Take Care Clause,[18] also known as the Faithful Execution Clause.[19] This clause is meant to ensure that a law is faithfully executed by the President,[18] even if he disagrees with the purpose of that law.[20] By virtue of his executive power, the President may execute the law and control the law execution of others. Under the Take Care Clause, however, the President must exercise his law-execution power to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Clause_5:_Caring_for_the_faithful_execution_of_the_law
Do you even read the whole sections of things you post, or do you just find something that vaguely defends your point and move on with it?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19135984 - 11/14/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said: Yes. He must faithfully execute the laws.
What part of the earlier posters comments were wrong? Obama doesn't get to pick and choose.
Actually, the executive branch has always had discretion in enforcement and implementation. The law hasn't been changed. It simply won't be fully enforced. Completely legal, and constitutional.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
#19135989 - 11/14/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yup. I read the whole thing. Pasting the entire thing would be pointless as: A. You don't read shit. B. If you do read it, you don't grasp it. C. The rest of it backed up the section I pasted, so the end result would be the same. A snarky response from someone who is relatively clueless.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
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luvdemshrooms said: Yes. He must faithfully execute the laws.
What part of the earlier posters comments were wrong? Obama doesn't get to pick and choose.
Actually, the executive branch has always had discretion in enforcement and implementation. The law hasn't been changed. It simply won't be fully enforced. Completely legal, and constitutional.
See. You made my point. Had you actually read it you'd have seen:
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Quite the contrary: The Take Care Clause demands that the President obey the law, the Supreme Court said in Humphrey's Executor v. United States, and repudiates any notion that he may dispense with the law's execution.[22] In Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997), the Supreme Court explained how the President executes the law: "The Constitution does not leave to speculation who is to administer the laws enacted by Congress; the President, it says, "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed," Art. II, §3, personally and through officers whom he appoints (save for such inferior officers as Congress may authorize to be appointed by the "Courts of Law" or by "the Heads of Departments" who with other presidential appointees), Art. II, §2."
-------------------- You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19136013 - 11/14/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You would have to make an argument that the law isn't being executed faithfully.
"The Constitution does not leave to speculation who is to administer the laws enacted by Congress; the President, it says, "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"
Yeah, that really doesn't give much insight into anything.
You also miss the point of Humphrey's Executor v. United States. Neither of the cases have anything to do with what we are discussing. Yes, they do put limits on Clause 5, but not in the regards to the actual implementation of a newly passed law.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19136174 - 11/14/13 01:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: I honestly couldn't care less about what you want.
No one cares about what you want either .
Entirely what's wrong with this country is we have idiots such as yourself with the biggest mouths making the biggest noise while the intelligent people are keeping quiet. We need to shut stupid people like you up so you don't get to speak because no one should have to listen to a stupid person.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: wowwtf]
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Obama and all of his cronies are just con artists that try to make themselves appear to be appealing to lower intelligence individuals because these people have nothing but hope in their minds and change in their pocket. That's why their poor and stupid at the same time. At the same time Obama is working only for his own interests and his contributors financial gains.
Obama is a skid mark that's all and the only thing poo/shit attracts is flies like mush4brains
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
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Mush4Brains said: You would have to make an argument that the law isn't being executed faithfully.
"The Constitution does not leave to speculation who is to administer the laws enacted by Congress; the President, it says, "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,"
Yeah, that really doesn't give much insight into anything.
You also miss the point of Humphrey's Executor v. United States. Neither of the cases have anything to do with what we are discussing. Yes, they do put limits on Clause 5, but not in the regards to the actual implementation of a newly passed law.

The plain language reading leaves no doubt.
Congress passes a law and Obama carves out exceptions and delays. Obama made the argument all on his own.
You know... your partisan hackery makes you look quite foolish.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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You mean the waivers and exemption he is, by law allowed to give?
So, you're saying, that you can't make a case that he isn't faithfully executing the law?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
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Won't mean shit to me. My insurance is gone as of 12/31. So far it's just a speech. Doesn't matter, the damage is done. I was quite happy with my expensive as shit policy but it is gone. Blather will not bring it back.
I don't know what he is saying he is delaying but that is all he is doing. Delaying. Well actually he isn't even doing that. He is saying he is delaying. And golfing. I can't wait until all the people with employer provided plans get their notices next year. Woo hoo, welcome to my world suckaz.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: zappaisgod] 1
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How convenient! Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. 
The Republicans are going to rub the democrat's noses in this stinking turd of a law, make no mistake about it.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
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The Republicans are going to rub the democrat's noses in this stinking turd of a law, make no mistake about it.
It's not illegal. Only in your fantasy land do you make sense.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
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starfire_xes said: How convenient! Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class. 
The Republicans are going to rub the democrat's noses in this stinking turd of a law, make no mistake about it.
It's not illegal. Only in your fantasy land do you make sense.
How convenient! Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
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Once again, you need to explain how it is illegal. Neither you, luvdemshrooms, nor psychonaught can.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Once again, you need to explain how it is illegal. Neither you, luvdemshrooms, nor psychonaught can.
How convenient! Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Wow. Must take a lot of intelligence to post the same thing over, and over, and over, and over. So, no case law? No precedent? Just some butthurt republicans crying over Obama's actions?
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Mush4Brains said: Wow. Must take a lot of intelligence to post the same thing over, and over, and over, and over. So, no case law? No precedent? Just some butthurt republicans crying over Obama's actions?
How convenient! Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
#19137992 - 11/14/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought so .
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19138000 - 11/14/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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To tell he truth, you neither merit an intelligent reply, nor is it worth any time or effort to reply to anything you say.
How convenient! Delay the law (illegally, as pointed out) past the 2014 elections in an attempt to salvage the democratic party from complete destruction because of the damage that Obamacare does to the middle class.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138037 - 11/14/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah, so I see you got the green light from pris#1 to troll all you want, just like zappa and Therian. Must be nice to have moderators who share the same political beliefs as you, and keep you on the long leash instead of the short one.
I mean, it just goes to show, if you're wrong, try to suppress the opposition, just like the GOP is doing with Voter ID. It's fucking hilarious that none of you can hold up to an actual discussion without hyperbole, hate speech, and outright lies.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19138067 - 11/14/13 08:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm neither trying to suppress a point of view, posting 'hate speech,' nor am I lying about anything. I merely stated that a response from you is not worth my time and effort anymore.
That is, neither you nor your opinion are important to me.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138073 - 11/14/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I tell you what. Ignore my posts and I will ignore yours, OK?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138087 - 11/14/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, at least I don't try to hide behind the "both sides suck" argument, and lie about my political position like some on these boards.
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starfire_xes said: So I tell you what. Ignore my posts and I will ignore yours, OK?
No, I like to laugh here and there. When you post about your Hep C, your excessive psychedelic usage, your love for Asian hookers... it gives me a chuckle to know that I'm just your down to Earth, no bullshit, proud to be American human being.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138102 - 11/14/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What I find concerning is that the actual law as written was meant to collapse the current insurance company market. That to me sounds very sketchy... Obama was practically forced to make that public address today to avoid embarrassment. (They try to act like they don't read these fucking laws before they are implemented), once they realize they can't get away with it they make up some bullshit. It's funny because this was exactly foreseen by many analyst and said the only thing that he could do would to acknowledge the error..this is all strategically done in a political sense to protect the people other than Obama who backed the bill..
Honestly I don't dislike Obama as a person but as a leader he fails to maintain anything.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Gorlax]
#19138114 - 11/14/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: What I find concerning is that the actual law as written was meant to collapse the current insurance company market.
Excuse me, what? The law is written to please the private insurance market and funnel them 30+ million more customers. How the fuck would this collapse the market?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Gorlax]
#19138139 - 11/14/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: What I find concerning is that the actual law as written was meant to collapse the current insurance company market. That to me sounds very sketchy... Obama was practically forced to make that public address today to avoid embarrassment. (They try to act like they don't read these fucking laws before they are implemented), once they realize they can't get away with it they make up some bullshit. It's funny because this was exactly foreseen by many analyst and said the only thing that he could do would to acknowledge the error..this is all strategically done in a political sense to protect the people other than Obama who backed the bill..
Honestly I don't dislike Obama as a person but as a leader he fails to maintain anything.
Well, if Obama fixes the messaging, gives a couple of speeches, holds some fundraisers, and plays a few rounds of golf I'm sure the problems with the ACA will fix themselves.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138153 - 11/14/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why don't you just admit you're a right-wing, Rush Limbaugh loving, Democrat hating, Paul Ryan idolizing, Rand Paul worshiping Republican? I mean, if it were so dirty to be so right wing, you would try to at least hide it a little better, no?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 4
#19138172 - 11/14/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll tell you what. Why don't you go live out side the US for about 15 years in different countries, travel to 20 other countries, grow up poor, become an addict, get an incurable disease, go to jail, serve in the military, have children, then make something out of yourself on your own, with minimal support, working your ass off in a factory for four years to get a degree, finally getting somewhere in life without anyones help, and making your own way and taking responsibility for your life before you try to tell me what the world is like and how to live?
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138218 - 11/14/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've grown up poor and am an addict, so I'm well on that path
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19138260 - 11/14/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Then keep trying to do better for yourself. I'm not trying to come down on you, and you disagree with my positions. But one of the main differences is, when you don't agree with someone you attack them on a personal level. I try not to do it, but I realize I do sometimes. Its the 'well, he's stupid he listens to RUSH....blah blah blah' argument. there is no need for that in here.
You either argue your point with passion, and stick to your guns, or you don't. Personal attacks aren't getting us--and obviously they haven't gotten the US--anywhere.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19138287 - 11/14/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 million people in California lost their private insurance! This is what this big argument is about. they claimed you could keep your CURRENT INSURANCE! The law was wrong! They lied to you! The plan was to have people buy into the government assisted insurance b.c it would be CHEAPER! When everyone got dropped and saw that it would be more expensive, shit unraveled!
Government competition in the private sector is usually never good for a company, that's like the U.S making Ophones to compete with Iphones so everyone could have one even if they couldn't afford it. What really changes those two concepts from being private healthcare and government healthcare? Also private healthcare is extremely profitable.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19138288 - 11/14/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Why don't you just admit you're a right-wing, Rush Limbaugh loving, Democrat hating, Paul Ryan idolizing, Rand Paul worshiping Republican? I mean, if it were so dirty to be so right wing, you would try to at least hide it a little better, no?
Look bro, I am a liberal. I like[d] Obama and I still regard him as a decent president. Much better candidate then Mitt Romney. But that is my opinion. I think the repubs have issues, and the tea-partyers are extremists no doubt...
But Obama is not great and you are being just as bad as the worst of the right-wing radicals. The reason we can't work together is not because of the republicans... its because of attitudes like yours. I don't understand why you are so hateful. Conservatives or liberals, right or left, we both have good and bad ideas. We need to work together.
Obama fucked up. But so did the repubs. We need to fix it. Just my opinion take it as you will.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: starfire_xes]
#19138299 - 11/14/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Then keep trying to do better for yourself. I'm not trying to come down on you, and you disagree with my positions. But one of the main differences is, when you don't agree with someone you attack them on a personal level. I try not to do it, but I realize I do sometimes. Its the 'well, he's stupid he listens to RUSH....blah blah blah' argument. there is no need for that in here.
You either argue your point with passion, and stick to your guns, or you don't. Personal attacks aren't getting us--and obviously they haven't gotten the US--anywhere.
I have my guns
I do respect you, one of the few on the boards I actually do, but that doesn't mean I don't like making ridiculous comments
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19139711 - 11/15/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Once again, you need to explain how it is illegal. Neither you, luvdemshrooms, nor psychonaught can.
I did. After your response it became clear there was no intellectual stimulation with your posts. Debating with you is like debating with the kid next door while he has a tantrum.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19140237 - 11/15/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gorlax said: What I find concerning is that the actual law as written was meant to collapse the current insurance company market.
Excuse me, what? The law is written to please the private insurance market and funnel them 30+ million more customers. How the fuck would this collapse the market?
Why didn't your liberal hero tell the private insurance companies to piss off?
The capitalists love him, he's their puppet that keeps getting them rich.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19140271 - 11/15/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never considered Obama a liberal, nor my hero.
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Mush4Brains said: Once again, you need to explain how it is illegal. Neither you, luvdemshrooms, nor psychonaught can.
I did. After your response it became clear there was no intellectual stimulation with your posts. Debating with you is like debating with the kid next door while he has a tantrum.

Typical response. It must be tough to be so dead set in your partisan hackery.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19141153 - 11/15/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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106,185 people enrolled, 4.02 million people received policy cancellations.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-15/total-healthcare-enrollment-result-obamacare-39-million
Sounds like a successful program thus far.
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Re: Obama offers one year extension on keeping private health plans [Re: qman] 1
#19141163 - 11/15/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is working exactly as they intended it to.
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