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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: zZZz]
#19135857 - 11/14/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zZZz said: sounds like he needs some space from you op. it may be true what you said about you trying to help him and him being convinced you were just trying to get in his head. maybe it would be best to leave him be and not ask him anymore questions about his well being, or of anything for that matter..
he might realize later on that it was all in his head. let him feel normal for a change, even if he may not seem like it.
i actually knew a dude who acted the exact same way, mostly only when he drank or smoked weed. he never accused me of anything but he did laugh at random moments for no particular reason and when he talked it was mostly jibberish, just out of touch. anyway this guy is currently in prison for 2 years for attacking his dad and leaving him blind from one eye.. seems like he had some issues with his dad though and he just couldn't take it anymore. he was never violent but something in him just snapped. yea man, i'd definitely lay low for a while and not ask him a anything about his mentality.
Im gonna minimize communication with him as much as possible. I think this is the best advice thus far, thanks.
I was trying to understand his thoughts without making him feel 'crazy' , guess I didnt do too good of a job.
Right now I just want to finish the semester (~1 month left) without getting stabbed
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: Moorning Due]
#19135860 - 11/14/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moorning Due said: All of you amateur psychologists trying to diagnose this kid is funny.
He just sounds a little stressed out, probably having a panic attack and got really confused. Maybe under a lot of pressure? Maybe someone has been fucking with him and doesn't want to admit it? You should be supporting him and trying to help/heal him rather than making fun. It can be disturbing to witness someone having a breakdown, but imagine if it was you, and you were ultra-confused and someone was just making it worse by shunning or being you feel uncomfortable. Try to be nice to him, take some time to talk to him like a real person next time. Pretend it's you best friend.
I've been trying to support him as best I can. Im not cut out for this man, im just a 20 yr old college student
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: TheMovement]
#19135879 - 11/14/13 11:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been trying to support him as best I can. Im not cut out for this man, im just a 20 yr old college student
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: TheMovement] 1
#19135881 - 11/14/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sounds to me like he needed some attention, you were hangin with a girl so he probably was feeling it a lil too much at the moment...telling you to 'get out of his head' in a way you could take that as a compliment i think he likes you lol
but yeah i do feel for the poor guy and think the best thing for him would be to get some space..
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: Moorning Due]
#19135894 - 11/14/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well I have had panic attacks and never said get out of my head. It was something I overcame without the help of medication. If he truly thinks people are reading his thoughts that is not good. You can be demeaning to the people trying to provide support to him by saying they are "amateur psychologists" but have you ever been around someone who became schizophrenic because of drugs? I have. I was simply saying that maybe he tripped and went way further than a normal person would.
edit: not to sound conceited but you don't want to ignore it and just say he needs space. He should probably get a checkup because schizophrenia can wear down a person.
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: mindgnome]
#19135922 - 11/14/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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who knows maybe he's crazy and schizophrenic...
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: mindgnome] 1
#19135932 - 11/14/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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just remember guys, it's never easy to be the odd man out...and sometimes the last thing a person needs is to be diagnosed
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: g00ru]
#19135949 - 11/14/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea I mean if he was on adderal there's a chance his brain never grew in the right area's on top of his definite schizophrenia
just be like" I can't be around you if you do drugs and can't control yourself around me... don't interact with me and I won't interact with you"
because he obviously is going through some mental shit, but he also sounds weird as fuck
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: g00ru]
#19135950 - 11/14/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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that is true... It could just be anxiety but if it is a mental thing, it isn't always a good idea for the person to just ignore it especially if it is something serious. I have been the odd man out before and it sucks but the key is to make the person realize that they are with people that understand. I know how it feels. Maybe not to the extent exactly but it does suck, you are right.
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: Jordank]
#19136215 - 11/14/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moorning Due said: All of you amateur psychologists trying to diagnose this kid is funny.
He just sounds a little stressed out, probably having a panic attack and got really confused. Maybe under a lot of pressure? Maybe someone has been fucking with him and doesn't want to admit it? You should be supporting him and trying to help/heal him rather than making fun. It can be disturbing to witness someone having a breakdown, but imagine if it was you, and you were ultra-confused and someone was just making it worse by shunning or being you feel uncomfortable. Try to be nice to him, take some time to talk to him like a real person next time. Pretend it's you best friend.
1- Making fun? I don't know where you get this idea. I don't think OP was making fun of him at any point?
2- Amateur psychologists are funny? Probably just stressed out and having a panic attack? Now that's truly funny.
Let me explain something to you... I've had panic attacks. They can be horrible, and terrifying. They are also nothing like OP describes. I'm also prone to severe depression and anxiety, and I experience nothing like what is described. And yes, i realize people are different. But out of the many people I've known afflicted by anxiety, depression, or panic attacks (and there have been many... I've done a couple tours of different psych wards, I've been in "out-patient" programs, I've lived in a half-way house for crazy people, and I have studied psychology as an amateur) not a single one of them have ever shown symptoms like this.
On the other hand, aside from all the credentials and qualifiers above, I:
A- Have personally experienced stimulant induced psychosis. Several times. For a grand total of at least a good 6 months of psychosis experience under my belt.
B- Have dated a girl (for several years) who was diagnosed with a schizotypal disorder.
C- Have a cousin I was very close to, diagnosed with a schizotypal disorder
D- Have had friends, both IRL and online diagnosed with a schizotypal disorder
E- As mentioned above, lived in a halfway house for several years, with several people diagnosed with (can you guess?) a schizotypal disorder
And I assure you-- this guy is showing some of the classical signs and symptoms of such a disorder. Everyone who guessed "schizophrenia" either made a really good guess, or knows what they're talking about.
Halluninations, most commonly auditory. But not only that... often very specific psychotic beliefs... namely that other people are reading your thoughts, or are projecting thoughts into your mind, or are controlling your thoughts or behavior in some manner. Sometimes it's not another person, it's the television, or the radio that's doing it. Sometimes the government. But the whole "thought control" and "get out of my goddamned head" things are super common themes in paranoid schizophrenia, and similar disorders.
Stimulants? Those can definitely cause psychosis. But for me (and many others I've talked to) that was always more like the feeling of being spied on, and yes, sometimes hearing people talking about you, when no one is even there (which contributes to the feeling of being spied on). But much more rarely have I heard "they're inside my head" from stimulant psychosis. (Though I have, in a few cases. But who's to say those aren't latent schizophrenics?)
Likewise for psychedelics. They can sometimes cause psychotic type symptoms. But the more common belief is that when tripping seems to trigger a reaction like that in the OP, the person does (or "did") have some dormant form of schizophrenia.
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Jordank said: I hope you're bigger than him.
CHOKE EM OUT if he gets smart with you
Brilliant. Choke someone out because they're sick. The compassion coming from you is epic.
Some of the responses here really are ridiculous, and show complete lack of understanding.
OP: As has been stated, playing along with his delusion may have been a mistake. There may now be nothing you can do, to convince him that what he believes is not real / true. Hard to say, though. That might depend on the nature / closeness of your relationship, and the severity / type of his delusion.
Keeping your distance, as you suggested, is probably a good idea. Highly delusional people can sometimes resort to violence, if their delusions torment them enough. Trying to speak to the family again, and explaining that this is definitely not just some depression or anxiety, might be a good idea.
You guys go to the same school? Is your housing through the school? Maybe there's someone at the school you can talk to about this. Good luck.
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19136264 - 11/14/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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He sounds like a smart person just not personable. People do get inside each others heads everyday. Sounds like he might of had a hard time understanding the way people interact. The adderall during adolescents probably closed him off and put him on a different level to early. Now he's wishing he could mesh with others better. It's going to take a lifetime for him I betcha.
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19136288 - 11/14/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sorry about your friend op that is crazy I remember you made another thread about him I don't expect this to work but some times all someone needs is a hug can be simple as that am against medication but some people really do need it just make sure they don't give him Adderall I used to take it how it said on the bottle along time ago and ended up having really bad side effects that stuff is bad
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: Yage]
#19136301 - 11/14/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have to agree with Cidney.
I have been working with people with all sorts of mental disorders for the past 5 years and that is def not some anxiety attack.
Try and get in touch with family or even a school counselor. Keep your guard up, people who have lost their rationale can behave extremely erratic.
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19136452 - 11/14/13 02:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moorning Due said: All of you amateur psychologists trying to diagnose this kid is funny.
He just sounds a little stressed out, probably having a panic attack and got really confused. Maybe under a lot of pressure? Maybe someone has been fucking with him and doesn't want to admit it? You should be supporting him and trying to help/heal him rather than making fun. It can be disturbing to witness someone having a breakdown, but imagine if it was you, and you were ultra-confused and someone was just making it worse by shunning or being you feel uncomfortable. Try to be nice to him, take some time to talk to him like a real person next time. Pretend it's you best friend.
1- Making fun? I don't know where you get this idea. I don't think OP was making fun of him at any point?
2- Amateur psychologists are funny? Probably just stressed out and having a panic attack? Now that's truly funny.
Let me explain something to you... I've had panic attacks. They can be horrible, and terrifying. They are also nothing like OP describes. I'm also prone to severe depression and anxiety, and I experience nothing like what is described. And yes, i realize people are different. But out of the many people I've known afflicted by anxiety, depression, or panic attacks (and there have been many... I've done a couple tours of different psych wards, I've been in "out-patient" programs, I've lived in a half-way house for crazy people, and I have studied psychology as an amateur) not a single one of them have ever shown symptoms like this.
On the other hand, aside from all the credentials and qualifiers above, I:
A- Have personally experienced stimulant induced psychosis. Several times. For a grand total of at least a good 6 months of psychosis experience under my belt.
B- Have dated a girl (for several years) who was diagnosed with a schizotypal disorder.
C- Have a cousin I was very close to, diagnosed with a schizotypal disorder
D- Have had friends, both IRL and online diagnosed with a schizotypal disorder
E- As mentioned above, lived in a halfway house for several years, with several people diagnosed with (can you guess?) a schizotypal disorder
And I assure you-- this guy is showing some of the classical signs and symptoms of such a disorder. Everyone who guessed "schizophrenia" either made a really good guess, or knows what they're talking about.
Halluninations, most commonly auditory. But not only that... often very specific psychotic beliefs... namely that other people are reading your thoughts, or are projecting thoughts into your mind, or are controlling your thoughts or behavior in some manner. Sometimes it's not another person, it's the television, or the radio that's doing it. Sometimes the government. But the whole "thought control" and "get out of my goddamned head" things are super common themes in paranoid schizophrenia, and similar disorders.
Stimulants? Those can definitely cause psychosis. But for me (and many others I've talked to) that was always more like the feeling of being spied on, and yes, sometimes hearing people talking about you, when no one is even there (which contributes to the feeling of being spied on). But much more rarely have I heard "they're inside my head" from stimulant psychosis. (Though I have, in a few cases. But who's to say those aren't latent schizophrenics?)
Likewise for psychedelics. They can sometimes cause psychotic type symptoms. But the more common belief is that when tripping seems to trigger a reaction like that in the OP, the person does (or "did") have some dormant form of schizophrenia.
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Jordank said: I hope you're bigger than him.
CHOKE EM OUT if he gets smart with you
Brilliant. Choke someone out because they're sick. The compassion coming from you is epic.
Some of the responses here really are ridiculous, and show complete lack of understanding.
OP: As has been stated, playing along with his delusion may have been a mistake. There may now be nothing you can do, to convince him that what he believes is not real / true. Hard to say, though. That might depend on the nature / closeness of your relationship, and the severity / type of his delusion.
Keeping your distance, as you suggested, is probably a good idea. Highly delusional people can sometimes resort to violence, if their delusions torment them enough. Trying to speak to the family again, and explaining that this is definitely not just some depression or anxiety, might be a good idea.
You guys go to the same school? Is your housing through the school? Maybe there's someone at the school you can talk to about this. Good luck.
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: Moorning Due]
#19138364 - 11/14/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Roommate had a psychotic breakdown last night.. [Re: unknown1123]
#19141189 - 11/15/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So the parents think its Bipolar Disorder because they have a family history of it. They are very worried but they want him to finish the semester because theres only a few weeks left. They also mentioned that they are going to get him to talk to someone, so there is no point in speculating and being a pseudo-psychiatrist when they are going to send him to a professional once the term ends.
I guess they also talked about the possibility of him taking the next semester off, which I figured would end up happening anyways. I havn't talked to my roommate since, went to my girlfriends for the weekend after class on thursday, but our other roommate assures me that he is very sorry and I expect he will be apologizing when I see him Monday.
He is a good kid and has been my best friend at school for the past 3 semesters so I hate to see him like this. Im Just glad his parents are taking this seriously and he is going to get the help he needs. I hope they find a way to bring him back to base and that this experience does not traumatize him too much.
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