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dmt pickling lime substitutes?
#19135125 - 11/14/13 08:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Swim is extracting DMT soon using acetone, citric acid and pickling lime, but there is one problem, no stores in swims area sell pickling lime this time of year. Are there any substitutes?
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: pop]
#19135153 - 11/14/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I ordered pickling lime from walmart.com, 30 dollars got me more than ill ever use
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Lol. NaOH.
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#19135263 - 11/14/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lye bro
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: pureenergy13]
#19135291 - 11/14/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: Lol. NaOH.
Sodium hydroxide?
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: pop]
#19135389 - 11/14/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can use sodium hydroxide instead of Calcium hydroxide he means
Can get either at hardware stores, canning shops, Amazon, etc.
Ps... Please don't use SWIM or my cat or my fish.... We know it's you, DEA knows it you... Just irritating
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: pop]
#19135394 - 11/14/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, actually pickling lime is the food safe substitute for lye, or chemical name NaOH. Watch out its caustic, hence another common name caustic soda. Walmart sells pickling lime year round here, its located with the canning supplies. Personally I've never worked with lye, but if you do make sure you don't get any on you, wear gloves, and keep vinegar around in case of any spills.
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#19135427 - 11/14/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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HarryL said: Ps... Please don't use SWIM or my cat or my fish.... We know it's you, DEA knows it you... Just irritating
you never know when it could save your ass
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K1ngSp4de said: Yes, actually pickling lime is the food safe substitute for lye, or chemical name NaOH. Watch out its caustic, hence another common name caustic soda. Walmart sells pickling lime year round here, its located with the canning supplies. Personally I've never worked with lye, but if you do make sure you don't get any on you, wear gloves, and keep vinegar around in case of any spills.
Thanks, I'm not completely sure which one I'm going to use yet but your information was extremely helpful. Do you know if either is the better choice? I would assume the lye but I'm no expert on NaOH.
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: pop]
#19135469 - 11/14/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Idk, all you really need to do is raise the pH to 12 or higher, so in theory both would work just as good as the other. It also depends on what tek you are going to use. Lye is soluble in water whereas pickling lime is more suited for a dry tek.
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#19135509 - 11/14/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: Idk, all you really need to do is raise the pH to 12 or higher, so in theory both would work just as good as the other. It also depends on what tek you are going to use. Lye is soluble in water whereas pickling lime is more suited for a dry tek.
I am planning on using acetone I am using this method " RebBaron's Cebil / Bufotenine Extraction Here’s what’s needed: * Acetone: available at most hardware stores. This solvent is actually present in the human body in small amounts. It’s best to use distilled acetone that you distilled yourself if you’re at all worried about contaminants. KleanStrip acetone is pure acetone and 100.0 % volatile according to their MSDS, so there will be no residue left behind after evaporating it. SWIM uses this brand, always distills it, and never finds any left over residue. It seems to be very clean. * Pickling Lime: available at some grocery stores. It’s used to make pickles crispier. It’s not as poisonous or dangerous as the sodium hydroxide commonly used to extract DMT. Pickling lime is edible but only if greatly diluted.....you can substitute sodium carbonate for this if hard to find * Citric acid: available as “sour salt” in some grocery stores. It’s often used in canning. It’s available from many health food or vitamin shops. This is found naturally in fruit. * Filtering system: coffee filters aren’t that good but will work. For best filtering results it’s better to use a lab filtering system (glass micro-fiber filters, a vacuum pump, and a filtering flask, Buchner funnel, etc.) Note..if you scale the recipe down, still make the same amount of citric acid saturated acetone Here's the extraction steps: 1) Prepare citric acid solution by adding 1 gram of citric acid to 10 ml of acetone. We’ll use it later so put this aside, go onto step 2, but mix the citric acid solution occasionally. It will eventually all dissolve after about an hour or so. 2) Mix 100 grams of crushed Anadenanthera seeds (either peregrina or colubrina works) with and equal volume of pickling lime (calcium hydroxide) and add enough water to form a paste. Let it sit for about 1 hour, mixing it a few times. Dry it completely in an oven at 150 F. 3) Break apart the dried materal. Add 500 ml of acetone. Mix for about 5 minutes. Let the dry material settle to the bottom. The acetone should be reddish amber in color. Pour the acetone through a good quality filter. 4) Add 10 ml of citric acid solution (from step 1) to the filtered acetone and mix. Tiny crystals will form which look like yellow dust. Let the crystals settle to the bottom. Poor off the acetone, being careful not to pour off the crystals. Discard the acetone. Wash the crystals by adding 100 ml of fresh acetone, mix, let the crystals settle, and then carefully pour off the acetone and discard it (EDIT: you might want to let the acetone evaporate down to about 50 ml before discarding, as more precipitates might form. Keep in mind that a small amount of the alkaloids won’t precipitate out of the acetone. A small portion of this contains the tiny amount of DMT present in the seeds. If you save the acetone, you could extract the last bit of alkaloids using an A/B extraction, but It’s not really worth the trouble). Let all the acetone evaporate off the crystals. They’ll start absorbing water from the air and become dark brown goo once all the acetone has evaporated. 5) Mix the crystal goo with an equal volume of pickling lime. Add enough water to form a thin watery paste. Let it sit for about 1 hour while mixing a few times. Dry in an oven at 150 F. 6) Break apart the dried material. Dissolve in 100 ml acetone for about 5 minutes, mixing a few times. Filter off the pickling time. Evaporate the acetone leaving behind 5-HO-DMT freebase as a single solid mass of amber micro-crystals (and a few other active freebase alkaloids). It looks like amber candy, not crystals. It’s very difficult to form large crystals, so don’t bother. Just scrape it up and store in an air tight container away from light. You can repeat steps 3-6 with the same seed mix up to 4 more times to recover nearly all the alkaloids if you like, but since the seeds are so cheap, it’s probably not worth the effort."
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: pop]
#19135544 - 11/14/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What are you extracting from? This tek is made for bufotenine, not n,n-dmt. Which are very different in their solubility by non-polar solvents.
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#19135561 - 11/14/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: What are you extracting from? This tek is made for bufotenine, not n,n-dmt. Which are very different in their solubility by non-polar solvents.
anadenanthera seeds, that tek seemed most effective
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: pop]
#19135610 - 11/14/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never worked with bufotenine, so I would follow the tek and use either pickling lime or sodium carbonate, washing soda, lye may not work.
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Re: dmt pickling lime substitutes? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#19135641 - 11/14/13 10:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: I've never worked with bufotenine, so I would follow the tek and use either pickling lime or sodium carbonate, washing soda, lye may not work.
I think I will go with the sodium carbonate since it will be fastest to raise the ph, thanks for your help
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