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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19134842 - 11/14/13 05:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know. I was just replying to

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Then why would it not apply to males to?




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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: Shroomism]
    #19134853 - 11/14/13 05:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
I know. I was just replying to

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Then why would it not apply to males to?




*too btw :wink:



Well that's a :derp: on my part. But I was only going for the point that if infection as an issue will still apply  to females as a con, even when done in hospitals, then why wouldn't infection apply to males as well, even though its usually done in hospitals, because they were unequal.

However when I read it, it said only

"no."

but after I replied it said

"But even if done in hospitals it would still have at least half that list of negative effects."

I'm not sure I would have replied then.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19134865 - 11/14/13 05:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Please provide evidence to support your claim that infant circumcisions can cause "significant emotional harm."  Thank you in advance.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: Enlil]
    #19134871 - 11/14/13 06:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Please provide evidence to support your claim that infant circumcisions can cause "significant emotional harm."  Thank you in advance.



Considering I have experienced significant emotion harm, I would think that it is indeed possible.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19134904 - 11/14/13 06:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You can think what you want, but I suspect that your "emotional harm" wasn't caused as much by the circumcision as it was by your own delicate sensibilities and inability to process it.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: elliusoopius] * 1
    #19134907 - 11/14/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I just want to say a few things for the record:

1 about half of he men I've had sexual relationships with were circumcised, and about half were uncircumcised.

2 about half of the circumcised men that I have dated wished they hadn't been, either be because they felt that their penises were less sensitive then they otherwise would have been, or they just didn't think there was any reason it should have been done in he first place and didn't appreciate that their parents didnt let them choose.

3 circumcised or not the dick looks Pretty much the same when it is erect, as the foreskin stretches out and it is no longer obvious. Who gives a fuck what it looks like when it's soft anyway? If anything circumcised dicks look more fucked up when they are erect because sometimes you can see a color difference or scaring.





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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: Enlil]
    #19134909 - 11/14/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
You can think what you want, but I suspect that your "emotional harm" wasn't caused as much by the circumcision as it was by your own delicate sensibilities and inability to process it.



You can think what you want, but I doubt you understand my thoughts and feelings better than I do.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19134915 - 11/14/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Can't we just let this horrible thread die already...


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19134951 - 11/14/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The prepuce is a common anatomical structure to humans and is a homologue in human sexual differentiation, and it's also well known to be an erogenous zone.

During differentiation in the infant, the male foreskin is formed by the very same tissues and nerves that would form a portion of the female labia minora and all of the clitoral hood.

Image diagram of the abovve: http://classes.midlandstech.edu/carterp/Courses/bio211/Chap27/Slide41.JPG

And when I compare my own intimate experiences with cut vs uncut men, if you forced me to choose one then I would pick uncut because it's way better for both partners and I don't support genital mutilation.

Some interesting images and sites with info on male/female sexual development and various facts and studies about male foreskin removal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_effects_of_circumcision
http://classes.midlandstech.edu/carterp/Courses/bio211/Chap27/Reproductive_System.html
http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/cold-taylor/
http://www.circumstitions.com/Sexuality.html#men


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: kneesocks]
    #19134988 - 11/14/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

OP is a meddling fool.  Not your concern, I'd politely tell you to piss off, not your baby!


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: Maharishi_2_U] * 1
    #19200265 - 11/28/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Million man snip: Men in Africa flock to get circumcised to protect against AIDS

Nearly two million men have volunteered to be circumcised using U.S. funding in 14 African countries to protect themselves against the AIDS virus, health officials said Wednesday.

It’s a small step forward in the fight against the deadly virus, which infects 35 million people globally and has killed another 36 million people, according to the United Nations.

The U.S. President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) said in 2011 it would help pay for 4.7 million or more voluntary circumcisions over the next two years.

Mpho Dorothy Seretse of Botswana’s health ministry, Jonathan Grund of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and colleagues in nine African countries reported on circumcisions in PEPFAR-funded clinics between 2010 and 2012.

“During 2010–2012, approximately 1,020,424 males were circumcised at CDC-supported sites in the nine countries,” they wrote in the CDC’s weekly report on death and illness. It takes a while to gather this kind of information and the report doesn’t say how many men were circumcised in 2013. But it notes the numbers jumped every year, from 137,000 circumcisions in 2010 to more than 500,000 last year.

Several studies have shown that circumcising heterosexual men reduces their infection rate by at least 60 percent and some studies show it’s by 65 percent or more. Africa bears the brunt of the AIDS pandemic; 70 percent of all people infected with the human immunodeficiency virus live in Africa.

And most new infections there are through heterosexual intercourse.

The United Nations calculates that if 20 million high-risk men were circumcised by 2015, 20 percent of HIV infections would be prevented over the next 10 years. That could save $16.6 billion in future medical costs.

Circumcision protects men for a number of reasons. The foreskin is full of the immune system cells that are the most vulnerable to the virus. The tender tissue can also get tiny tears and scratches during sex that give the virus an easier entry point. And men with foreskins are far more likely to get other sexually transmitted diseases such as gonorrhea and syphilis, which, in turn, raise the likelihood of HIV infection.

So PEPFAR made agreements with 14 countries to focus on getting men circumcised. “During October 2009 –September 2012, a total of 1,924,792 (voluntary circumcisions) were performed in 14 countries using PEPFAR funding provided through U.S. government agencies,” the report reads.

Grund’s team focused on the results from 1,600 clinics getting PEPFAR money in Botswana, Kenya, Malawi, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, and Zambia. They found fewer than 1 percent had adverse reactions.

The nine countries have scaled up efforts to try to get to the PEPFAR goal of 4.7 million circumcisions by next month.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19200301 - 11/28/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh jesus fucking christ not this thread again :beatadeadhorse:


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: Constantine]
    #19200575 - 11/28/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

inb4 butthurt


looks like getting circumcised fights AIDS  :rockon:


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NWlight]
    #19200604 - 11/28/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I still think my penis is beautiful :superbanana:


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19200641 - 11/28/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ur gona get AIDS


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NWlight]
    #19200669 - 11/28/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No I'm snipped so that's like having a forcefield immunity against aids, didn't you read the bunch of words up above ?  ?  ?    ?    ?


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: The5thElement] * 1
    #19200674 - 11/28/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What I read is that if you are circumcised you don't have to wear a rubber anymore. End thread.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: The5thElement]
    #19200812 - 11/28/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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No I'm snipped so that's like having a forcefield immunity against aids, didn't you read the bunch of words up above ?  ?  ?    ?    ?



Oh, I thought since you were re: to me you were sayin u were uncut

AIDS barrier ftw :penis:


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NWlight]
    #19200816 - 11/28/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Aids barrier :highfive1:


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19201450 - 11/28/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Israel Court Fines Woman Over Not Circumcising Son

An Israeli rabbinic court has fined a woman hundreds of dollars for refusing to circumcise her baby son, officials said Thursday, in a landmark case that has sparked a new uproar over the role of religion in the Jewish state.

The case shines a spotlight on a long-running debate over religious coercion in Israel, where generations of leaders have struggled to find a balance between the country's Jewish and democratic character.

Rabbinic courts in Israel have authority over certain Jewish family matters like marriage, divorce, conversion and burial. Their decisions are binding for families that agree to take part in them, though their rulings can be appealed in the country's secular court system. This particular case ended up in the rabbinic court as part of an ongoing divorce battle.

In the proceedings, the woman announced her refusal to circumcise the boy, saying she did not wish to harm him. The Israeli rabbinate's high court ruled last week the circumcision was for the child's welfare and that the woman must pay the equivalent of nearly $150 each day she refuses the circumcision be performed.

"The decision is not based only on religious law. It is for the welfare of a Jewish child in Israel not to be different from his peers in this matter," said Shimon Yaakovi, legal adviser to the rabbinical court.

He said it was the first time a religious court in Israel has punished a parent for refusing to circumcise a child. A year ago, a civil court also ruled in favor of circumcision in a parental dispute.

There is no law requiring circumcision in Israel, but the vast majority of Jewish boys undergo the procedure at the age of eight days in line with Jewish law, which sees the ritual as upholding a covenant with God.

The mother, whose named was not released in court documents, has argued that the rabbinical court does not have authority over the matter. The Justice Ministry, which is representing the mother, said Thursday it likely would appeal the case to Israel's Supreme Court.

There are no precise statistics on circumcisions in Israel. While most families perform the procedure either out of religious belief or to preserve an ancient tradition, tens of thousands of children are not circumcised, activists say.

Ronit Tamir, an anti-circumcision activist, called the rabbinic court's ruling "dangerous for democracy."

"It turns the government into a theocracy," she added.

Although most Israelis are secular, Israel's founding fathers gave Judaism a formal place in the nation's affairs. This has led to persistent tensions in Israeli society.

Jewish law defines a Jew as one who is born to a Jewish mother or who undergoes a demanding conversion process overseen by rabbinic authorities. People who do not meet these requirements, such as someone with only a Jewish father, can face difficulties with the religious authorities.

Civil marriage, for instance, is all but banned, forcing thousands of couples who either do not want a religious ceremony or don't qualify for one to travel abroad each year to marry. Likewise, soldiers who die in battle but are not Jewish under religious law are buried in separate cemeteries.

More liberal streams of Judaism popular in the U.S., such as the Reform and Conservative movements, have struggled for recognition in Israel and have little authority. At the Western Wall, Judaism's holiest prayer site, liberal female worshippers have clashed with Orthodox activists who opposed their attempts to perform rituals traditionally reserved for males.

Uri Regev, a Reform rabbi who leads Hiddush, a movement that promotes religious pluralism in Israel, said the circumcision dispute had no place in the rabbinical court. He said a circumcision should only take place with the consent of both parents.

He said attaching "legal sanctions" to an ancient religious commandment "will undermine popular respect for circumcisions."

The ritual of circumcision has generated controversy in Europe. Last year, a German regional court said the procedure amounted to bodily harm, though it stopped short of banning it. Germany subsequently passed a law explicitly permitting male infant circumcision.

More recently, a European advisory council passed a nonbinding resolution calling circumcision "a violation of the physical integrity of children." Israel condemned the move, saying that circumcision is a tradition in both Judaism and Islam.


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