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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: MindDrips]
    #19190628 - 11/26/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Long live the word!!!!!


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Kief Ledger]
    #19190727 - 11/26/13 07:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Kief Ledger said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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PrimalSoup said:
Character flaws?  We don't need no stinkin' character flaws!

I recommend these substances to everybody who will listen - which is never all that many.  I got used to the eyes-glazing-over reaction as they think to themselves "Oh yeah, like that chick I knew in high school who fried her brain" and they never ever realize that it's all just a step away from where they are, if you do it right. :thumbup:

:peace:PS





im perplexed when I think if I should recommend these drugs or if I should keep my mouth shut and leave it to the worthy. No matter how many 'logical' users tell me to calm down and to give up trying to get the world to trip, I just cant. For some reason deep down I believe 1 man can truly change the world. Is it possible? Guess only time will tell :smirk:




I feel the exact same way.  I feel its is my moral duty to preach these substance to anyone who will listen, despite the likely judgment and discrimination most often received.  But then part of me also feels like the people who are supposed to find these amazing tools will. But what if that's is supposed to be through me?

I really do feel like if even the majority of the world could have just one psychedelic experience it would be a much better place for it.  But the burden for attempting the spread of the psychedelic experience is great.  Not only does one accept most likely alienation from the vast majority of society, but possible incarceration.  And sadly the propaganda surrounding these substances is so great that many people are turned off to the point that even mentioning mushrooms or LSD have people they think you are junkie! So your left with the dilemma of keeping the greatest secret of the universe all to yourself or sharing it with the world.



Interesting point - honestly, I was interested in drugs and psychedelics especially long, long before I had ever drank or even smoked some herb. I was talking about mushrooms to my friends in 7th grade, considered growing them at that age (LOL) and even had a shroomery account then to ask some admittedly, VERY dumb questions. But, that was YEARS ago. ans glad I forgot that password, cause I was really asking some dumbbbbbb questions hahaha. anyway, point is, people have ways of finding out about the stuff without someone telling them.


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Absent Minded]
    #19191092 - 11/26/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

they may know where too look but do they know what to look for?? people around here are close to falling into insanity because they were raised 2 think all drugs are bad...i feel like im honestly their only hope


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19191409 - 11/26/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i would never "preach" it to anyone straight unless they asked me about them or mocked me for using them. friends and people that are already a bit out of the box though I like to tell, especially if they already smoke weed.


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19191836 - 11/26/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The way I look at it, this life is my only opportunity to express the truth so im going to be a walking billboard for mushrooms/DMT. Im going to lay out the details, preach the techniques, and speak directly. Ill leave it up to the world to decide what they want to do with me.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19191894 - 11/26/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
The way I look at it, this life is my only opportunity to express the truth so im going to be a walking billboard for mushrooms/DMT. Im going to lay out the details, preach the techniques, and speak directly. Ill leave it up to the world to decide what they want to do with me.




Power to ya, Bill!!

Although I think psychedelics are not for everybody, I think many people could benefit from the use of these tools. I have already shown many of my friends the real truth, and one of them actually decided to trip with me. (That was probably one of the most beautiful trips I've ever had, by the way. She took that eighth of cubes like a champ)
Human society needs to be reset! Turn the tables of traditional thought! :thumbup:


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"Pebbles and marbles like things on my mind,
Seem to get lost and harder to find.
When I am alone I am inclined,
If I find a pebble in sand,
To think that it fell from my hand..."



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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: MindDrips]
    #19192376 - 11/26/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And let me just add, that im going to do these things as I SEE IT. and as I see it, isn't always right. im far from all-knowing and its staggering the rate in which im learning each day


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19201575 - 11/28/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you live in America, technically we're protected by the 1st amendment.
I'm waiting on a call from my uncle, who's a lawyer. I wanna talk to him about creating a bona fide religious group(he's not going to be able to help me directly, but he'll send me in the right direction). That's how you tell people about these without the fear of incarceration. But We have to do it together. One person, alone can only change themselves. People, together, can change the world.


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Galidor4]
    #19202622 - 11/28/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You hit the nail on the pinhead, my friend.



:peace: bill


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19203641 - 11/29/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you don't express yourself in the most friendly and casual way possible, people will turn away from what you have to say. If you don't present yourself in a credible manner (and by credible I mean CALMLY, casually, and in a way that doesn't even hint at an attempt to convince) then you do the cause more harm than good. This is why I believe partisanship in US politics is so prevelant nowadays. It's so easy to accidentally turn someone away from what you say. It's delicate.

That said, I'm always happy to speak my mind. Just because you take something as widely known knowledge doesn't mean it actually is, so even the most basic ideas need to be mentioned or else people won't grow and society won't either. Gain their trust in your opinion, then start to delve into issues that they may be skeptical of. It's at that point I bring up my experience with mushrooms. I tell it casually, like I'm telling a story of something that happened to me one time. The story should convince them without them knowing I'm trying to convince them.

To the original question (I just skipped a bunch of pages but I'm sure it's been discussed to death by now), as an atheist from birth I found shrooms to be absolutely mind expanding. I saw the world almost as God would see it. I came to understand God. To know thatjust about everyone is capable of the same emotions as you, to feel everything so real, to know that an all knowing God knows all the love every mother feels for their children, to know all the pain everyone causes everyone and everything else, to know all of this made me understand how God loves all his children. It made me understand how shrooms and psychedelics make people spiritual. I thought I knew before then, but until I tried shrooms I never fully felt and understood spirituality.

It made me think that it's a pity there is no god to have that ultimate perspective. I still believed that belief sets generally came from anchient people who didn't have science to begin to explain the world around them. But, for the first time, I understood spirituality a little bit more.

Atheists have just as much perspective to gain from shrooms as religious people, though honestly both groups can learn the same lessons. Everything you do is real. Everything you do, from talking trash to someone's face, to talking trash behind their back, to blocking faster traffic from passing you when they want to drive faster than you, is all very real to someone else just as much as it is to you. When you are rude, you are only being rude to your own reputation. God or no gods, bad deeds are just as bad either way. Truth is truth, and that's just my two cents.


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Namelessbob]
    #19204634 - 11/29/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It made me think that it's a pity there is no god to have that ultimate perspective. I still believed that belief sets generally came from anchient people who didn't have science to begin to explain the world around them. But, for the first time, I understood spirituality a little bit more.





This is a limited viewpoint, but dualistic thought always is - "no god to have that perspective" - the seer and the seen are not seperated, they don't actually exist as separate things.  Do you really think there is no more to reality than what our ordinary senses perceive? 

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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #19204711 - 11/29/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
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It made me think that it's a pity there is no god to have that ultimate perspective. I still believed that belief sets generally came from anchient people who didn't have science to begin to explain the world around them. But, for the first time, I understood spirituality a little bit more.





This is a limited viewpoint, but dualistic thought always is - "no god to have that perspective" - the seer and the seen are not seperated, they don't actually exist as separate things.  Do you really think there is no more to reality than what our ordinary senses perceive? 

:peace:PS





God cannot be God all the time. DONT FORGET THAT.



:peace: bill



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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #19205085 - 11/29/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
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PrimalSoup said:
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It made me think that it's a pity there is no god to have that ultimate perspective. I still believed that belief sets generally came from anchient people who didn't have science to begin to explain the world around them. But, for the first time, I understood spirituality a little bit more.





This is a limited viewpoint, but dualistic thought always is - "no god to have that perspective" - the seer and the seen are not seperated, they don't actually exist as separate things.  Do you really think there is no more to reality than what our ordinary senses perceive? 

:peace:PS





God cannot be God all the time. DONT FORGET THAT.



:peace: bill



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A reasonable person can reject theistic views of reality while believing that there is far more to reality than meets the eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind, and so on.  That there is more to life than I am or even can be aware of is self-evident to me, but I do not hold any theistic views of reality (e.g. I don't believe in God as conceived by any religion).

I think when comparing spiritual vs non-spiritual trippers it's important to reject any assumption that atheists are non-spiritual trippers.

What makes a tripper spiritual?


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: hmmn]
    #19205126 - 11/29/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I believe in nothing. i question everything.


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The above is hypothetical, when it is illegal.

Psychedelics are performance enhancers for the philosopher.

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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: themusicofzann]
    #19205616 - 11/29/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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themusicofzann said:
I believe in nothing. i question everything.





I question nothing.



:peace: bill


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: hmmn]
    #19205703 - 11/29/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A reasonable person can reject theistic views of reality while believing that there is far more to reality than meets the eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind, and so on.  That there is more to life than I am or even can be aware of is self-evident to me, but I do not hold any theistic views of reality (e.g. I don't believe in God as conceived by any religion).

I think when comparing spiritual vs non-spiritual trippers it's important to reject any assumption that atheists are non-spiritual trippers.




:like: on both

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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Galidor4]
    #19208195 - 11/30/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Galidor4 said:
If you live in America, technically we're protected by the 1st amendment.
I'm waiting on a call from my uncle, who's a lawyer. I wanna talk to him about creating a bona fide religious group(he's not going to be able to help me directly, but he'll send me in the right direction). That's how you tell people about these without the fear of incarceration. But We have to do it together. One person, alone can only change themselves. People, together, can change the world.




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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
    #19209189 - 11/30/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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4Skins said:
The "letting go" thing....

That's a big one.....




That is definitely a big one.


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: treid2]
    #19209268 - 11/30/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Letting go doesn't mean giving up

I totally agree, family members are hardest for me.


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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Galidor4]
    #19209365 - 11/30/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I find it impossible to let go completely. Even when im in the heart-of-hearts I still fear death


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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