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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: zoom_zoom_shroom]
#19159433 - 11/19/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm one of these purely recreational trippers. If anyone finds it relevant I'm an atheist with a Rationalist philosophical viewpoint.
That's because it doesn't make any difference in the end. And that was me as well forever - but now that I've finally penetrated the veil...well, hey, things just never can be the same. It's like you're taken out of the ordinary world, turned around 180, and put back - but now everything is illuminated from within. 
Have a look at this trip report and this one as well. That's just the tip of the iceberg - I find it almost impossible to write about these experiences, but they play a major role in the deep physics research I've been doing for quite a while now. 
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Galidor4]
#19159491 - 11/19/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said: I think we're all missing a HUGE part of the picture.
Define Spiritual or Spirituality.
Spiritual means your connected to your soul. You look within for the meaning of life rather in the sky to some imaginary friend. You believe in your own experience and understand everyone has a different experience. And no matter what they will always be different and that individualism and understanding that all you need is wrapped up in you from birth. That my friends is spirituality. We look for whats beyond this world because we understand that death is not to be feared, and this life not to be wasted in slavery. We know happiness comes from within and harness our soul energy much more heavily through meditation and yoga. Where as others get small amounts(if any) at churches and such.
I'd say its also the difference between a man who will do what his faith commands, and a man who commands his faith.
Boom! That is an amazing definition! I can dig it.
I wonder, who would consider themselves spiritual based on the above definition?
I'd say spirituality if anything I guess is being aware that your spiritual then right?
Oh and I kinda use that definition. I don't judge church peoples but as someone who went from church to nothing and from nothing to recreational adventures. And now being such a heavy spiritual person. I'd say Mushrooms, Cacti, and DMT are way more powerful and life changing. Every trip is a lifetime of amazing life changing phenomenon. It goes from "Oh things look kinda trippy" To "IT ALL MAKES SENSE!" Next thing you know your writing a book and on your way to a mountain top to learn how to make fire with only a grain of rice and a turtle shell.
That's my experience anyways. Psychedelics from what I've found scientific/spiritual at best is that the reason we get addicted to opiates and coke and such is because they resonate in our lower chakras. 1 Survival 2 Sex and 3 Ego (willpower control)
Then supposedly theres a half step. like the step on a chromatic scale in music where it changes color on the keys (they both come from the same thing)and eventually spirit will reveal the wall when your ready and you vibrate in your higher chakras. Now from what I've gathered psychedelics trigger your higher chakras like 4 endless love, 5 vibration(seeing/feeling sounds/music), 6 which is the sacred geometry chakra on the surface of the 3rd eye. (this is why some people see everything in geometric patterns) and then finally we hit 7. The spirit chakra (out of body experiences, and see the universe as one) DMT throws you into the last one without choice IMO.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19181560 - 11/24/13 06:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Godfather1376 said:My trips, like you said, are more "meaningful vs. recreational" rather than spiritual. I learn things about myself, including doubts I didn't realize I had. It shows me these things and peels them back, eventually trying to show an inner "core" that is nothing but the existence of who I am, or what I am (a soul if you will).
There's no intention operating here, no trying to reach a core. What you experience is the dissolution of the accreted ego, in all of its self-perserving complexity, nothing more.
If you've meditated much you should know there's no timetable, no agenda, no "purpose" persay. There only is the process. Tripping is no different in that respect, all intention is inferred. Reach the ground of being and questions become meaningless, even the process itself ceases to matter.
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I think you are looking for the word "unfolding" because that's how I see the world anyway....infinite unfoldings in an infinite ball that has already been unfolded, so in a way our future has been determined
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19181568 - 11/24/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm one of these purely recreational trippers. If anyone finds it relevant I'm an atheist with a Rationalist philosophical viewpoint.
That's because it doesn't make any difference in the end. And that was me as well forever - but now that I've finally penetrated the veil...well, hey, things just never can be the same. It's like you're taken out of the ordinary world, turned around 180, and put back - but now everything is illuminated from within. 
Have a look at this trip report and this one as well. That's just the tip of the iceberg - I find it almost impossible to write about these experiences, but they play a major role in the deep physics research I've been doing for quite a while now. 
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PS i'd be interested in hearing your philosophy regarding tripping as a whole. I feel like i've seen some really good comments by you but never been able to tell what your actual beliefs are. I'm interested to see what we have in common though
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19181571 - 11/24/13 06:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course we're all speculating here.
Obviously. Especially the "next stage of the journey" part.
It helps a lot to explain things if you manage to visit the spiritual realms while you're still among the living. 
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I think at the moment of death, our energy is going to plunge through your family, your bloodline. When it reaches the otherside, we will be an eternal cosmic ball of light swinging on the racks of hyperspace for all eternity...until of course, our number is called again and we are sent to this hellhole to live out another life according to our karma
And atheist or believer, I think the real God is -electricity-
If you are a believer in energy, you are a believer in God, IMHO
EDIT: And, to label a psychedelic experience as "spiritual" is missing the point. The psychedelic experience is MORE than spiritual, no matter what your reasoning for using it is. We are psychedelic, we just use mushrooms to feel psychedelic. The mushroom is the same thing to everyone, no matter how you use it. Like my dick...its a dick made to make babies. I can fuck a girl or even smack with it, but the MAIN function is to make babies. The MAIN function of mushrooms is FEELING psychedelic, even though we already are
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19181672 - 11/24/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find that through psychedelics I can wholly appreciate the true magic of reality. That everything and everyone is interconnected by influencing other things or people in some way or another, significantly or infinitesimally, immediately or not but somehow affecting something (e.g. human conciousness - someone, somewhere, saying or doing something that affects someone else and somehow alters the course of their life and potentially the lives of others;
the wonders of nature - from how the earth came to be, it's position in the galaxy enabling it to sustain life to evolution, to the physics and very chemicals that are the building blocks of life.
I quote a brilliant post made by supernovasky, which I read some time ago now and that while it posted in an unrelated thread topic, (or perhaps not ) is relating to what I'm getting at. It's a bit of a long post, but worth the read, if you are really interested.
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supernovasky said: My thoughts on death are honestly in layers.
The first thought that I have, is that everyone in this world already has experienced what it means NOT to live. For most of our existence in this universe, we have not existed in the form that we are in today. You and I both contain traces of the first biological organisms ever to occupy this earth, their death leading to our fertility. We both come from the dirt and rocks and air itself, pounded into a giant rock we call Earth, and formed from the minerals within it as well as the minerals smashed onto its surface. The elements that make us who we are today were forged in the heart of a massive star that went supernova, sending a light to galaxies and intelligent life-forms billions of light years away, saying "Hey! Heavy elements are here!" We come from hydrogen, which arose from a sea of energy. We all come from the same singularity, we were all one in the same at one point... and every part of you is the same as every part of me in origin.
So it seems silly to feel so much sorrow when the temporary collection of elements that make us up today unravel. Remember that we've unraveled many times before... singularity unraveled into a sea of energy which unraveled into a sea of galaxies which unraveled into a sea of heavy elements which unraveled into a sea of minerals and chemicals which unraveled into... us!
I ask anyone feeling death anxiety or even worried about death anxiety, do you hold a funeral every time you loose a skin cell? Of course not, because the skin cell was just part of the collective of who you are. But you may be shocked to find out that the majority of elements in your body recycle, and the person you are today, physically, is quite different from the person you were when you were born. You've died, lived, and renewed your cells billions of times since "you" first appeared on this earth. We don't perceive this though because we don't see ourselves as the individual skin cells, but instead, we see ourselves as the collective.
I think this is where I part ways from many people in humanity and this is where I have escaped death anxiety. I take that same view and step it a step further. Although my purpose for living the way that I do is not to escape death anxiety, it has been a welcome side effect of my philosophical views on life and death. I do not identify my self as the smallest constituents of what I am... furthermore, I do not identify myself as my body and brain, but rather, as my mind and the collective series of my actions.
When you think about who you are and what makes you, "you," you often list things such as personality traits, a list of facts that you know, a propensity to react certain ways in certain situations, beliefs, values, thoughts. Face it, if we could lose everything else but preserve these things, death anxiety would be nonexistent. However, those things that I have just listed... they are not physical, static conceptions, but instead are actions. When you think a thought, it is not a physical object, but instead is the action of the physical objects in your body. Everything you are and everything you do is a sea of actions, a sea of cause and effect.
However, every action that you ever take is affected by actions that have taken place before you. You may think that you are choosing between one thing and another whenever you are forced to make a choice, but the act of choosing happens when your brain weighs all of the costs and benefits based on all of what you have witnessed and learned in life. Had your life circumstances been different, you would be a completely different person. Actions that originated outside of your own body wholly shape the person you are today and the choices you make today, and the thoughts that you think today and for all of the days to come.
Taken a step further, every action that you produce will cause changes in the life of other people. When you share information with another intelligent person, when you harm or help another person, and above all, when you take part in the creation of a whole other person, you have taken part in the determination of the very being of that other person. No man is an island, and in my own view, every man is a projection of every force and impact on his life for the entire history of his existence.
Taking all of this into account, I want you to once again ask the question... who are you? The way I answer the question is that I am the sea of actions that passes through my physical body, not my physical body itself. Because my actions are caused by every other action in this world and every other action that happens after me is at least ever so slightly affected by me, it seems silly to view myself as my small mind, as just my body, which will die. Instead, I see myself as inseparable from that which has led to me and that which will always emanate from me. The rays of light that bounce off of my body will travel for the rest of time... to someone 100 lightyears away, I am not even born yet. The things I say will travel around humanity, even if only tiny portions of the original intent are left. The waves of molecules that I create by moving and shifting in my seat will reach you, physically, one day. We will share breaths of air, and every so often, you breathe the same atom of oxygen that Socrates breathed so long ago. I think it is pointless to see self as coming from merely our own body and brain. It is dependent on all forcing in this universe, of which our body and brain are but a tiny part.
I always refer to this as being the water, not the locks. Your body is like a lock that all of the water, all of the actions that happen in this universe, pass through... some in tiny, insignificant ways, and others in far more significant ways. The actions that you create will live on far after you die, and the thoughts that you have will inspire the thoughts of others far after you die. I have faith that someone will have read some of what I have said today, and think about it... and in that sense, I live on. However, what I say today is not just me, it is also you, because you are a part of the same sea of actions, the same water, with the same origin. It is also those who have come before me, affecting the very urge that I had to write such a long response to this question of death.
I believe a great deal of the misunderstandings, greed, harm, and pain in this would could be spared by realizing the interconnectedness of all beings. I think a large portion of harm comes from ignorance of self, and from people seeing themselves as the locks, not the water. If people realized that we were all part of the same sea of actions, none independent of any other action, and every action sharing a common origin somewhere deep in history, going all the way back to the big bang, then it would seem pointless and masochistic to inflict suffering on someone else to advance small mind, because once we identify with big mind, there is no NEED to advance small mind.
You want to know who you are? In my opinion, this is who I, you, and everyone else is:

The constant interaction of our thoughts, ideas, and forcings create a collective consciousness. This is not that hard to believe if you look at examples of collective consciousness in our everyday lives. The mind is a form of collective consciousness arising from the brain and its neurons, with individual neurons secreting neurotransmitters, a process that carries information from one neuron to another. Likewise, ants to the same thing by secreting chemicals to one another when they bump into each other. These chemicals facilitate the transfer of information with the collective bits of information creating a "hive mind." The hive mind responds to changes in its environment by direct ants to do certain tasks, and the hive mind creates grand structures, air vents, nesting areas, and living spaces for its constituents.
Human beings are the same thing... but instead of chemicals, we secrete words to one another, creating the collective consciousness of humanity, society, cultures, and governments. Collective consciousness is being harnessed by us every day when we use social media sites, democracy, bittorrent, etc. Wikipedia is a great example of the power of a collective consciousness, where a sea of changes made by normal people creates an encyclopedia that is broader in scope and depth, and nearly as accurate as an encyclopedia written by an intelligent pannel of professors. I believe that galaxies, stars, and fields of cosmic dust do the same thing, secreting gravitational waves, forcing the matter to align itself into the most stable areas of existence, creating order from a sea of chaotic interactions.
Life is strange like that... it operates in a fashion that is against entropy. From a sea of chaotic changes, a road is created, bridges are created, the internet is created... all from the original primordial cosmic soup, all leading to what we experience today. Entropy weighs heavy on our shoulders, yet we still continue to try to fight against it. Who can say what will be more powerful when the universe is dying out... eons and eons of of the organization of intelligence and collective consciousness, or eons and eons of the breakdown and death of the universe...
But I know one this is for sure, I do not consider myself as primarily my individual mind. Rather, I see myself as American before I see myself as me, and I see myself as human before I see myself as American, and I see myself as a child of the universe before I see myself as human... and in that sense, these selves, these big minds will live far longer than my small mind. I am the water, not the locks, and even when my small mind is dead and gone, dying and leaving, I will not be sad, because I know that I will always live on as the sea of actions, regardless of where the current physical conglomeration of my elements ends up.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Into The Woods]
#19181702 - 11/24/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Going to smoke some hash and read that, into the woods. Thanks man
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19181765 - 11/24/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most welcome! (:
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Into The Woods]
#19181781 - 11/24/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And when you talk about death in layers, man I couldn't agree more. That's what I was trying to convey in my other post when I talk about how at death, we travel through our bloodlines. Its all in layers, everything is unfolding layers which morph into levels just like how at some point water molecules morph into 'wetness'.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19181825 - 11/24/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow Into The Woods, that was an outstandingly beautiful post. Im going to have to find this member and give him a +5. Oh the potential we'd have if the world could take that into consideration
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#19181894 - 11/24/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im sure its the same fpr both it would depend more on the person as an individual not wether they are spiritual or not. For me it mainly makes me face my demons my fears and motivates me to be a more decent human being and take all I can out of life. You don't need to have any beliefs for that
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: allseeingike]
#19182080 - 11/24/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great stuff into the woods..
To anyone experiencing death anxiety, nothing I say will probably convince you, but just KNOW that biology does NOT produce organisms as complex as humans without having some sort of "backup disc" to hold the information in which makes up YOU. You and everything you know is backed-up on a golden flying disc, a hyper-dimensional infinite disc made of god-knows what
that is all
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19182109 - 11/24/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What?
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Into The Woods]
#19182121 - 11/24/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im saying, the state of the soul is in the form of a golden disc that exists at the end of time/history. This is what haunts time like a ghost..why scientists quite cant figure it out. Its like the universal joker. This "thing" gets mistaken as an alien spaceship, when its really "the soul that contains everything" or even God.
You never heard McKenna talk about "The hyper-dimensional object at the end of time"?
You cant touch the thing because its so holy. When It visited me, right when I got used to it I slowly went out to touch the thing, and when I was an inch away it slowly hovered away back into the oblivion. If you want to hear the whole report, message me.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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um bill... biology is that disc. biology is the template for that information to exist. the only thing storing that information further is the probability of your biological configuration repeating infinitely across existence
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: JacksonMetaller]
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I never said it wasn't...I clearly stated that the disc is EVERYTHING ( that's why it can only exist at the end of time)
I like to call it "the human beings anti-Christ"
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19182248 - 11/24/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I own a couple of McKenna's books but I haven't gotten around to reading them yet. Coming from McKenna, that doesn't surprise me but I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
This certainly is a new one.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Into The Woods]
#19182263 - 11/24/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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im being completely serious about 100% of it
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19182279 - 11/24/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Goddamn, Bill. That's some far out shit.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Into The Woods]
#19182303 - 11/24/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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literally
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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