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PrimalSoup
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: ShroomPaul]
#19143255 - 11/15/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It frustrates me that religious or "spiritual" people feel entitled to pass snide judgement on the faithless and claim the moral high-ground when my (lack of) belief has taken more thought and deliberation to form than that of most practising religious types that I know.
Yes, but that's close-mindedness for you. When you know you're not wrong, you just can't be wrong. 
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19143720 - 11/16/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Paul, this is exactly the word I'd use to describe my interpretation. As an Agnostic, I've kept my mind open to the possibility of a higher power, but even though I'm not a "believer", I still have a very spiritual trip at times. To be honest, ever since I began indulging into psychedelics, I've gone from a hardened atheist scientist to a more "open minded scientist" if you will.
My trips, like you said, are more "meaningful vs. recreational" rather than spiritual. I learn things about myself, including doubts I didn't realize I had. It shows me these things and peels them back, eventually trying to show an inner "core" that is nothing but the existence of who I am, or what I am (a soul if you will).
I discovered meditation far before psychedelics, and I must say the revelations I have on these substances is much the same, except more forced in front of your face, so to speak. Meditation teaches patience (and to some extent, so do psyches) and lets you reveal these things in time. IMO, these substances try to do the same right in the moment. This can be enlightening and beautiful, or frightening if you are not prepared to face such self-doubts and criticism.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Godfather1376]
#19144565 - 11/16/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am forever battling between the good in me and the evil in me.
Jesus and Lucifer battle eachother for my loyalty. After 1 trip I might say "fuck jesus, illuminati till I die" then I I could have an experience that has me ready to die for my dude Jesus. So it really is a tricky thing, I believe that whatever tendencies you feed most, will "win", for now. Its a never-ending infinite war and it will not be over until all living life is destroyed. Thus the circle.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19144796 - 11/16/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think we're all missing a HUGE part of the picture.
Define Spiritual or Spirituality.
I would define it as finding meaning in everything. Spirituality to me is finding meaning in anything and everything.
I'd also like to point out that everyone is saying pretty much the same things, they just either use the word spiritual or not.
Oh, and when you die, what about the energy that surrounds and is emanated by your body? that's some scientific shit, and energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
Edited by Galidor4 (11/16/13 10:40 AM)
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Galidor4]
#19144813 - 11/16/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Spirtuality=Shamanism=seeing the end=not worrying=emotionally satisfied=Spirituality=Shamanism and so on
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19144824 - 11/16/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those are all words tho, except shamanism. and even that can be somewhat experienced by anyone and everyone. it's all just in the words you use.
Earlier I said, I have a hard time not seeing spirituality, but technically, if I see spiritually everywhere, I see it no where, right? Spiritual or Non-spiritual, they're EXACTLY the same, we're not experiencing different Earths or anything preposterous like that.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Godfather1376]
#19144935 - 11/16/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Godfather1376 said:My trips, like you said, are more "meaningful vs. recreational" rather than spiritual. I learn things about myself, including doubts I didn't realize I had. It shows me these things and peels them back, eventually trying to show an inner "core" that is nothing but the existence of who I am, or what I am (a soul if you will).
There's no intention operating here, no trying to reach a core. What you experience is the dissolution of the accreted ego, in all of its self-perserving complexity, nothing more.
If you've meditated much you should know there's no timetable, no agenda, no "purpose" persay. There only is the process. Tripping is no different in that respect, all intention is inferred. Reach the ground of being and questions become meaningless, even the process itself ceases to matter.
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Edited by PrimalSoup (11/16/13 11:39 AM)
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#19144943 - 11/16/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Submission and faith aid in finding transcendence. Believers have an advantage there, but they may also hit a wall at the limit of what their beliefs accept. Search for an existence outside yourself which you are a part of, and feel deep connection to, it doesn't have to be a god.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Galidor4]
#19144971 - 11/16/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said:Oh, and when you die, what about the energy that surrounds and is emanated by your body? that's some scientific shit, and energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
It all goes away. Your spirit goes back to where it came from, and your body goes back to where it came from. Energy only exists in change.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19157197 - 11/18/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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Galidor4 said:Oh, and when you die, what about the energy that surrounds and is emanated by your body? that's some scientific shit, and energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
It all goes away. Your spirit goes back to where it came from, and your body goes back to where it came from. Energy only exists in change.
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From my limited understanding of some literatures I read so far, your spirit/consciousness goes to the next stage of the journey depends on various karmas/factors. It does not necessary goes back to where it came from. Of course we're all speculating here.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: incubis]
#19157273 - 11/18/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one can say what the experience will be. You'll find out when it happens. I believe what PS said to be true. I just know I'll be conscious for it.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Galidor4]
#19157341 - 11/18/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The people who treat it like "eye candy" get less out of the expereience and in my opinion usually are more likely to have bad trips than a spiritual person. You can probably give anyone a strong dose of DMT and they'll become believers.
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PrimalSoup
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: incubis]
#19157766 - 11/19/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course we're all speculating here.
Obviously. Especially the "next stage of the journey" part.
It helps a lot to explain things if you manage to visit the spiritual realms while you're still among the living. 
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19158060 - 11/19/13 02:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was raised Catholic but never understood why the people around me put absolute faith into God and Jesus. As I got older I figured it was all bullshit and I disregarded spirituality and religion completely and at that point in my life I was depressed and didn't see the point in living anymore. After indulging in psychedelics they gave me a much greater perspective of reality and I experienced phenomena many would consider 'spiritual'.I would consider myself a agnostic now because I truly know nothing in the grand scheme of the universe.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: The Patient]
#19158281 - 11/19/13 04:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is about the night sky lit with bright stars that makes tripping so incredible. I've had some intense trips just stay gazing. Rolling in the sky on Molly. Floating into the universe on Dmt, watching a laserlight show unravel before my eyes on acid and feeling the sky breath on booms. It's always something new to experience
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: The Patient]
#19158290 - 11/19/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's so much snide judgement about purely recreational trippers in this thread! Go easy guys 
I'm one of these purely recreational trippers. If anyone finds it relevant I'm an atheist with a Rationalist philosophical viewpoint.
Consider this viewpoint: What if what you call "spirituality" is purely psilocin altering the normal function of neurotransmitters in your brain; it feels good because the experience is novel, which is more than likely why people find they get the most out of their trips with long breaks in between.
Spirituality to be is more than just a bit abstract to me, because it implies mysticism -----> where do you draw the boundary between this mysticism and normal functioning human consciousness, or can they be differentiated at all. It's very ill defined, and completely open to interpretation.
"Getting the most out of your trip", well that a nice buzz sentence and all, but what is your basis of measurement for this? Did the person that sat at home meditating with incense burning get more out of his trip than a person who "tripped ballz man" with a group of roudy mates and had an absolute blast?
Who can honestly say? How can you possibly enter the minds of both people and judge this objectively. I put it to you that you can't. It could be argued that the person who tripped alone meditating with incense burning had a higher chance of bettering themselves as a person via better being able to work through their thoughts in a more therapeutic environment ----> perhaps a more noble endeavour than just getting high with mates? Mabye, but is this your measure for the overall quality of the experience?
Perhaps the recreational tripper enjoyed the experience a lot more than the so-called spiritual/therapeutic tripper? How do you balance out overall enjoyment versus self-improvement versus "spirituality" aspects of a trip in an evaluation of "getting the most out of your trip" and how do you know the degree of interrelation between these 3 variables?
Anyways that's just my two cents on the topic! Apologies for any rambling. Main point is that you shouldn't be getting on your high horse simply by not self-identifying as a recreational tripper.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: zoom_zoom_shroom]
#19158534 - 11/19/13 07:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is no different than out sober life. Non-spiritual people do not get much out of anything.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Galidor4]
#19159313 - 11/19/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said: I think we're all missing a HUGE part of the picture.
Define Spiritual or Spirituality.
Spiritual means your connected to your soul. You look within for the meaning of life rather in the sky to some imaginary friend. You believe in your own experience and understand everyone has a different experience. And no matter what they will always be different and that individualism and understanding that all you need is wrapped up in you from birth. That my friends is spirituality. We look for whats beyond this world because we understand that death is not to be feared, and this life not to be wasted in slavery. We know happiness comes from within and harness our soul energy much more heavily through meditation and yoga. Where as others get small amounts(if any) at churches and such.
I'd say its also the difference between a man who will do what his faith commands, and a man who commands his faith.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: sytar]
#19159375 - 11/19/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think that's totally pigeon holeing Non-spiritual people. I've met pleanty of non-spiritual perspective people and they're quite happy. They can see that true beauty is Here Now. that's all that matters, whether you're spiritual or not, being Here Now is key. However, I've never met a single spritual person who is less than ecstatic. spiritual or non, they all live their lives similarly, they all have a strong awareness of their circumstances. But spiritual people take hardship almost 180 degrees differently than non-spiritual people. It's not like spirituality doesn't exist, all of these people talking for it aren't crazy or wrong, it's just the perspective they choose to have just as all of the non-spirituality people choose theirs. As for Zoom Zoom, spirituality isn't just felt on drugs. It's felt by millions of sober people every day
I would go as far as to say: just because you don't use the word spirituality( you use a different one) doesn't mean you don't feel what spirituality is, that doesn't mean you're not a spiritual being in a physical realm.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Adustus]
#19159378 - 11/19/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adustus said:
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Galidor4 said: I think we're all missing a HUGE part of the picture.
Define Spiritual or Spirituality.
Spiritual means your connected to your soul. You look within for the meaning of life rather in the sky to some imaginary friend. You believe in your own experience and understand everyone has a different experience. And no matter what they will always be different and that individualism and understanding that all you need is wrapped up in you from birth. That my friends is spirituality. We look for whats beyond this world because we understand that death is not to be feared, and this life not to be wasted in slavery. We know happiness comes from within and harness our soul energy much more heavily through meditation and yoga. Where as others get small amounts(if any) at churches and such.
I'd say its also the difference between a man who will do what his faith commands, and a man who commands his faith.
Boom! That is an amazing definition! I can dig it.
I wonder, who would consider themselves spiritual based on the above definition?
Edited by Galidor4 (11/19/13 12:15 PM)
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