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4Skins
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Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers)
#19134296 - 11/14/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Question for anyone willing to answer:
Do you think people who are religious/spiritual/believers in something will have a "better" trip. As opposed to a non-believer/non spiritual.
By "better," I mean, do you think it can help them as a person in the long run such as finding their selves and inner peace and whatnot?
All of my friends and I that trip are non-believers. Does that make our trips any less meaningful?
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19134345 - 11/14/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it might make a "believer" seriously question their beliefs. you could probably gain a lot of peace and mind from that--or not it depends. it could also do the opposite. depends what you mean by believer though.
itll make a spiritual person more spiritual though as long as their spirituality is 'genuine.'
imo
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19134353 - 11/14/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everything happens.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19134361 - 11/14/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's not necessarily to view an experience as better with the context of being spiritual. Certainly I think you probably already feel it's so that a spiritual inclined person can better use these tools/medicines to gain better understanding in themselves and more.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: cez]
#19134362 - 11/14/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The 2nd time I tripped, I stared at the stars for about an hour and almost started crying. It almost made me a believer in something, that's why I ask this question.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19134395 - 11/14/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like you already answered your own question. Of course people going into the psychedelic experience with a spiritual approach will get more out of the experience than people using psyches with a recreational approach. Recreational psych users usually only care about visuals, which in my opinion in the last aspect of a true psychedelic experience.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
#19134400 - 11/14/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nihon_Hyperspace said: Sounds like you already answered your own question. Of course people going into the psychedelic experience with a spiritual approach will get more out of the experience than people using psyches with a recreational approach. Recreational psych users usually only care about visuals, which in my opinion in the last aspect of a true psychedelic experience.
Agree x 1000.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
#19134458 - 11/14/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I disagree, although I guess it depends on how you define spiritual. I've taken mushrooms before a concert, was seeing Bonobo, and the entire experience was incredibly eye opening without necessarily being spiritual. When I trip, music seems to unfold and unravel, as if I can observe each and every layer separately. It almost seemed as though I could see the sound pouring off the stages and engulfing the audience. The experience made me appreciate music in entirely new way. The experience was both recreational and enlightening. A trip does not need to be centered around spiritual beliefs to be enlightening for someone to "get more out of it."
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: OliverJames]
#19134857 - 11/14/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm a monist... 'what is spirit?'. The difference between some one who is spiritual and a materialist is usually their general level of awe and wonder about existence. Einstein said there were only two ways to view the world - that everything was a miracle or that nothing was. While I do not think that statement to be correct he's got a great underlying point there. Set and setting play a large role in the outcome/experience. Mind set (beliefs) will certainly play a large role in it. It could happen though that some one who considers themselves a materialist may have a more pleasant experience than some one who considers themselves on a spiritual path. There are many factors that play into it. I feel that a materialist who has had some great trips and gets introspective won't remain one for long though - at least not in the way he was. Material may come to mean something else for him/her or they may start asking questions and seeking out in directions they never considered before. Lots of speculation here..
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19134868 - 11/14/13 06:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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After having tripped, I more or less had my non-belief reinforced... I reckon though it might get challenged by the next one which will be an ego dissolution attempt.
But the thing is... that what I experienced told me that the universe is more about just being itself, that whole one-ness thing, and there was no representation of "God" or anything like that. Just a tale of things living or trying to live in balance as a huge contrast to what humans are doing to Earth... we are pretty much in the process of destroying ourselves completely, and while I know that there are many people who liked to think that the "almighty" or some divine race of entities from outerspace will swoop in and save us from ourselves, I think we are pretty much left to ourselves to sort the mess out.
But all in all... I honestly don't think I'm getting less out of a trip due to lack of faith. Remember... faith is created by humans, what I saw inside was as such not created by humans. It's just... there.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: beforeIgetold]
#19134891 - 11/14/13 06:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I go back and forth with my belifs truth is I don't even know but I have had many spiritual experiences when seeking recreation and many recreational experiences seeking spiritual ones. but the one I will never forget was spiritual and a bad trip on oral dmt with a massive dose where I broke through for hours.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: stuckinwonderland]
#19135020 - 11/14/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think people who take psychedelics to see cool visuals, or a good body high, get less out of it than people who take it to think and explore their consciousness.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: SteelPanther]
#19135118 - 11/14/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I use to have this buddy i would trip on shrooms and lsd a lot. I am a very spiritual person, especially when it comes to taking entheogens BUT my buddy was just not spiritual at all, didn't believe in something after death yada yada.
It was interesting watching him trip, especially on LSD. I noticed there were times he would get very uncomfortable and stare at me and say in his mind "how the fuck is he enjoying this"?
From my experience spiritual people or believers seem to have an easier time letting go. When non spiritual people tend to have very uncomfortable experiences at certain times when the needing of "letting go" is a must.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19135261 - 11/14/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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4Skins wrote: The 2nd time I tripped, I stared at the stars for about an hour and almost started crying. It almost made me a believer in something, that's why I ask this question.
You can eat your mushrooms as an athiest on a recreational trip and then 90 minutes later find yourself writing:
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If you take enough drugs God will reveal himself to you and you will believe.
It's like those old "I want to believe" posters.
Sometimes, this stuff will *make* you believe 
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19135436 - 11/14/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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4Skins said: The 2nd time I tripped, I stared at the stars for about an hour and almost started crying. It almost made me a believer in something, that's why I ask this question.
I'm also an almost believer in something.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19135559 - 11/14/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you think people who are religious/spiritual/believers in something will have a "better" trip. As opposed to a non-believer/non spiritual.
No. Absolutely not. A full face melting trip overcomes any belief system no matter how poorly formed, and substitutes a brand new experiential religious framework. Which you then have to figure out. 
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Of course people going into the psychedelic experience with a spiritual approach will get more out of the experience than people using psyches with a recreational approach.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: EvilShaman]
#19135590 - 11/14/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The "letting go" thing....
That's a big one.....
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: 4Skins]
#19135596 - 11/14/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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After psychedelics I am a believer in something. Not organized religion but I definitely believe there is a truth to the universe that can't be measured by science. To me there is something spiritual about traditional psychedelics. They have the ability to change your life completely and paths open up in your mind. It is hard to explain. It makes the hardest decision seem easy. It is barely explainable though. It is spiritual in the sense that it show you life is a step. To me life is the high school of whatever the bigger picture is and once you graduate that is when you have passed. Some people drop out, but most people graduate.
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: Aldebaran]
#19135739 - 11/14/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Am native American and a scientist
So... I can understand the belief systems that pervade the human experience. The belief in 'there is something else', whether that is a Christian god, Greek gods, native amarican heros and spirits, ghosts, magic, UFOs or whatever one wants to put their faith in. Even mushroom gods!
I can also understand te need to have rational answers that can be tested and reproduced.
Are we still naked apes, huddled together in caves, scared of the night and making up stories to sooth our fears? Or is there more to life than physics and chemistry?
Suppose each has to find their own answer. Can a Non-believer have a meaningful psychedelic experience, sure... Absolutely. There is enough amazing real things, planets and stars and trees... Why add mythology?
Will someone with spiritual beliefs looking for answers have a more meaningful experience than some kid who just wants escape and doesn't look for answers... Sure.
But is really a pretty complicated issue. I am also sure that someone who starts one journey, often ends up someplace they did not know they were going and are glad for that...mushrooms will do that...
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Re: Spiritual trippers vs. Non-spiritual trippers (believers vs. non-believers) [Re: HarryL]
#19135873 - 11/14/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've taken psychedelics for both reasons. Actually, I'm highly spiritual and I actually became spiritual through LSD however, I've taken psychs for recreation more than for spiritual reasons and it seems like it didn't matter and I received spiritual messages no matter what I took psychs for at the time. So I can't really answer the question because I've seen some people take psychs and not get shit out of it except a fun time and I've seen the exact opposite.
Personally, I prefer the spiritual side of it but I've done it more for recreation when I was younger but like I said, when I took them I wasn't thinking, "I wanna see some crazy shit", I was more or less wondering what I'd discover even though I was taking them in a recreational setting, I'm a dreamer and I typically stayed within my own mind while also interacting as any one would.
I've learned a lot and had a lot of fun.
I don't know anything but the spiritual side of psychs, there's only been a few times that I wasn't blessed with some spiritual message and that was typically on low doses although one time I took ten doses and just partied with very little spiritual message. Even those times that I wasn't blessed with a Message or insight, I was still open to a novel experience which created brain power in my opinion at least. It also depends on how you look at spirituality...
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