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    #19134094 - 11/14/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19134124 - 11/14/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have not gained the courage to read that wall of text yet, but just from the pictures alone I can tell you did not follow any kind of reasonable tek.

You used the wrong sized jars...

You have verm in the bottom of the fruiting chamber for some strange reason...

You do not have holes in your fruiting chamber...which is why the cakes are screaming for FAE...

They cakes look like they are directly touching the verm in the fruiting chamber, which is not good...

I see you have pins already....this is good....but now you have to keep them all from aborting....

My suggestion is to build a proper SGFC with 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides.

Then fill it with 4-5 inches of coarse perlite.

Then raise the chamber so that air can pass up thru the holes in the bottom and up thru the perlite.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19134135 - 11/14/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

cakes look good. you should get a great pin-set on the "spiky ones".

you should switch the wet verm in the bottom of the chamber to perlite, you want something that creates humidity.

also if you are going to do cakes you should try putting them in a
"shot gun fruiting chamber". it allows for the best fresh air exchange while keeping the humidity high but you have to mist 3 or 4 times a day along with fanning.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: karp]
    #19134152 - 11/14/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

also on your strain i found that Mazatapec colonize slower than other MS syringes that i have used. if you had trouble with that you should look into agar work that should speed up colonizing times.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: karp]
    #19134155 - 11/14/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Preparing to birth the mycelium cake, I went ahead and sterilized the chamber



This is not really possible, and nor really needed. You most likely just sanitized it

Fruiting is not a sterile process...it is done in open air.

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and wet enough vermiculite in a strainer to place on the bottom for the "ground" (and I imagine this also produces additional moisture&nutrients for the mycelium cake).



No, at this point the verm in the bottom of a tub is pointless.

It hardly adds moisture, and you do not want any more nutrients at this point, you want the cakes to fruit, they are already on the verge of being too nutritious.

Were you following a tek?

If so that tek needs to be pulled and deleted.

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I carefully removed it from the jar with sterilized hands and placed it into a glass of tapwater and left it sitting while I was at work for roughly 12-13 hours, when I got home I removed it from the glass, and dunked the moist mycelium cake into dry vermiculite. After the dunking process was complete, I proceeded to go ahead and add the cake to the center of the fruiting chamber.



This was all done correctly, except for the sterilizing of body parts.....that just did not happen.

Chemicals sanitize, heat sterilizes.

And I would have dunked for a full 24 hours.

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Anyways, I did notice the passed few days, it began growing more mycelium, mainly around the dry vermiculite I dunked it into before adding the cake to the FC. I knew this is a good sign, shows it's growing well.



:facepalm:  It means it needs more fresh air bro....it is asking you for help.

Build a proper fruiting chamber that does not build up so much co2.

You want high co2 for colonization and very low co2 for fruiting.

You chamber has very high co2 right now....you want constant fresh air so the chamber does not build the co2 up.

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I've been misting about three-four times a day, fanning once or twice a day (continued that same method sense day one of placing the cake in the FC. seems to be working great honestly). I just want to know if I should be doing anything differently.



Fan out the chamber every time you mist, so what you misted can evaporate, which is a main pinning trigger.

This is why you want constant fresh air...so there is constant evaporation off the substrate....so there is constantly moisture in the air.

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cakes look good. you should get a great pin-set on the "spiky ones".



:facepalm:

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also if you are going to do cakes you should try putting them in a
"shot gun fruiting chamber". it allows for the best fresh air exchange while keeping the humidity high but you have to mist 3 or 4 times a day along with fanning.



A SGFC only has to be misted/fanned 2 times a day....more is ok...but it will do just fine misting/fanning twice a day.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: karp]
    #19134162 - 11/14/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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also on your strain i found that Mazatapec colonize slower than other MS syringes that i have used. if you had trouble with that you should look into agar work that should speed up colonizing times.



Cubes are cubes.....Mazatapec are not slower or faster than any other variety...it is all a genetic crapshoot....you just got slow genetics that time.

The next syringe labled Maz that you get could very well colonize everything fast as shit....it just all depends...but not on the name some vendor gave some group of spores....that means little.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19134265 - 11/14/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

With some pinnings coming out, at least you're doing something right.  I'd suggest remove the bed of verms.  There's no nutrients there, besides you don't want to introduce any nutrients now because that'll just invite troubles.  :tongue2:


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: incubis]
    #19134335 - 11/14/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'd suggest remove the bed of verm.  There's no nutrients there



Actually, verm does have nutritional value...it has trace minerals.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19134542 - 11/14/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hey op, what tek did you follow?


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: k00laid]
    #19134598 - 11/14/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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hey op, what tek did you follow?





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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19134645 - 11/14/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19134653 - 11/14/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I didn't specifically follow any particular tek. I plan to, this was just kind of an experiment. To get how this all works.




:shrug:

usually people dont perform experiments early on in their cultivation careers.

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: k00laid]
    #19134669 - 11/14/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19134671 - 11/14/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My most important question to everybody; Do you think I will get any flushes from this? As in, do you think I will still get a harvest from it?


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19134677 - 11/14/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes you have some pins growing so you should get some  fruits. If you build you a sgfc today and get them in there you'll get more and better fruits


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: k00laid]
    #19134680 - 11/14/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: Stromrider]
    #19134683 - 11/14/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes you have some pins growing so you should get some  fruits. If you build you a sgfc today and get them in there you'll get more and better fruits





Thanks for the information! So, I should build a shotgun chamber, and use perlite on the bottom (moist), and transfer the cake from the current chamber to the new one? Just trying to makesure, I get paid soon so I plan to over the weekend.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19134695 - 11/14/13 03:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks for the replies everyone! My replies to you are below.
&So, I should removed the vermiculite from the bottom of the fruiting chamber and replace it with wet perlite?



Yes, after you drill the specified holes on all 6 sides.

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Any teks for this same method I used you'd have to recommend?



www.mushroomvideos.com

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As far as the white pointy mycelium, if you know what this means what is it? Is it even mycelium?



It's called aerial mycellium, and it is usually caused by lack of FAE, or not a long enough consolidation period.

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My grow-area is in my room. So I didn't know if it'd be a good idea (with the always typical possibility of contaminates) to have holes in my chamber. I can definitely fan it more often. But I won't put holes in unless I can have some evidence as to if anything can be airborne from doing so and that contams wouldn't find their ways in through those holes.



Fruiting is not a sterile process.

Fully colonized cakes are contam resistant.

Fanning out the chamber multiple times a day is not an alternative to constant fresh air.

You need CONSTANT fresh air so you have CONSTANT low co2 levels along with constant evaporation.

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You think there's a possibility of all my pins aborting. Could you elaborate as to why?



High co2 build up, lack of fresh air, lack of evaopporation.

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Why are my fruits too nutritious? That part has me lost.



I have no idea...I never said they were.

I did say that BRF cakes are on the verge of being too nutritious....and they are.

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"This was all done correctly, except for the sterilizing of body parts", did I mention if I did or didn't sterilize my body parts? Or am I lost and you're talking of something else?



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I carefully removed it from the jar with sterilized hands



:shrug:

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Incubis;
I'm already taking that into consideration. So how exactly should I go about taking the bottom vermiculite layer out? I plan to go with what hacker said and put perlite on the bottom. It should be moist when put in as well, correct?



Yes....read the tek I linked you to bro......

Then watch the videos.....it's self explanatory.

www.mushroomvideos.com


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19134703 - 11/14/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19134813 - 11/14/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Nothing you can have the expectation to do perfectly the first time.




That is incorrect, following a tek properly gives you a very good chance to get a perfect result the first time.

Here is my first flush:

And the second:

From the start of that until now I did get myself a flowhood, basic lab stuff, a pressure cooker, etc.
From the moment I got sucked into mycology until now, I had success, just by reading all the info that is on the shroomery and using it without being too cocky.
The info is here so you don't have to make mistakes, so pick a tek and follow it all the way.
Your cakes look fine to fruit, just put them in the right fruiting conditions. Oxygen is pinning trigger number one, so make sure they get it, get a fruiting chamber with proper fresh air exchange.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: monoculture]
    #19140346 - 11/15/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19140544 - 11/15/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Okay so the weekend if coming up gonna do this. Gonna put holes in the chamber, and add perlite. Now, should I take all the verm out, or would it be possible to add it ontop of the verm?





No get all the verm out of there.
Do it how you're supposed to do it.
Pick them when the veils open or you'll have spores all over the place. I like to pick mine before the veils pop. If it were mine I would pick all of them, re build the chamber, and wait for a second flush.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: bodhisatta]
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19140587 - 11/15/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Alright and best way to pick them? Maybe cutting with sterile equipment? Or just hand pick them from the bottom of the stem closest to the cake? Just curious on that note, again first timer newbie in training over here. Not afraid of admitting to that. Before my next try, I will have everything I need ahead of time setup and prepared.




You could cut them off with rusty scissors from the shed. They're in open air right now the outside of the cake is covered in 100000s of contaminant spores as you speak. There's nothing sterile about fruiting, the minute you birth a cake from a jar it's not sterile. I would in reality use clean scissors though. I often use an xacto blade or utility knife thing, sometime scissors or a kitchen knife.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19140652 - 11/15/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks a lot for the information bodhisatta! Unfortunately mine are nt in fresh air, only when I fan them. Other than that there is a lid on the chamber (a sterilite plastic crate). That's why I still need to add holes, which I plan to do like you said for the second flush.
If you have any information on preparing for the second flush, that'd be great as well. As I said I'm about to be getting ready and heading out till roughly midnight. >.<




It's still open air even in a closed tub. The air you breathe is nasty as far as mycology is concerned.

Just cut the shrooms off with any sharp thing you can find. You can even just twist and pull them off but I don't advocate that. If you want you can dunk them again while you fix your SGFC, I usually dunk a cake after the 2nd flush but that's just me. You can leave them alone after you put them in a SGFC if you have to go on vacation but if you're home you should mist and fan.

If you ever want to know how dirty the "air" is take a sterile petri dish and open it on a table for 30 seconds and put the lid back on. There's going to be all sorts of mold growing on that in a few days.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19158732 - 11/19/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That still is not a SGFC.

The SGFC is an at least 18" clear tub, with 1/4" holes on all 6 sides in a grid pattern spaced 2" apart, with 5" wet perlite on the bottom.

The (small but very important) temperature difference between the bottom with evaporating water and the top, make the fresh air exchange work from bottom to top/sides while remaining the humidity.
When you do not stick to the design, it won't work that well and you will either have too less fresh air or too less humidity.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19158742 - 11/19/13 09:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So I took the advice, and when ahead and turned my fc into a sgfc. I put six holes on both sides






close but no cigar.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: k00laid]
    #19158772 - 11/19/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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So I took the advice, and when ahead and turned my fc into a sgfc. I put six holes on both sides






close but no cigar.




Hes Right.

More Holes , Less Upkeep.

Your perlite isnt nearly deep enough.

that looks like 1.5-2.5 at most - Add Another 3 1/2 Inches of
Hydrated Perlite.

Add 1/4 Inch Holes spaced 2 inches apart in a grid pattern, including
the bottom.

Mist and Fan 3-4 Times a day. Mist the cakes directly with a very fine mist. I opt to also mist the perlite a couple times a day.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19158810 - 11/19/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

and as the final touch, elevate the tub a couple inches using jars or similar in each of the 4 corners.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19158965 - 11/19/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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That still is not a SGFC.

The SGFC is a clear tub with holes on all 6 sides in a grid pattern spaced 2" apart, with 5" wet perlite on the bottom.




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Hes Right.

More Holes , Less Upkeep.

Your perlite isnt nearly deep enough.

that looks like 1.5-2.5 at most - Add Another 3 1/2 Inches of
Hydrated Perlite.

Add 1/4 Inch Holes spaced 2 inches apart in a grid pattern, including
the bottom.



:whathesaid:

Mist the cakes directly with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber.

Mist again once the water you previously applied has evaporated.


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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: PussyFart]
    #19181561 - 11/24/13 06:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
    #19181759 - 11/24/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Buddy, the first thing that I did was read, read, read...make sure you follow a tek! They are your friend. Someone has already gone through all that trouble for you. They made mistakes so you don't have to!

Everything you need to know about growing mushrooms is in the search button! Idk why you didn't make holes how they said to do the SGFC, instead you just went and did your own thing?

To be honest though it looks like its working for you(just smaller fruits). These are all tips to get the most yield out of your cakes!


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