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First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED*
#19134094 - 11/14/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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PussyFart
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
#19134124 - 11/14/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have not gained the courage to read that wall of text yet, but just from the pictures alone I can tell you did not follow any kind of reasonable tek.
You used the wrong sized jars...
You have verm in the bottom of the fruiting chamber for some strange reason...
You do not have holes in your fruiting chamber...which is why the cakes are screaming for FAE...
They cakes look like they are directly touching the verm in the fruiting chamber, which is not good...
I see you have pins already....this is good....but now you have to keep them all from aborting....
My suggestion is to build a proper SGFC with 1/4" holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides.
Then fill it with 4-5 inches of coarse perlite.
Then raise the chamber so that air can pass up thru the holes in the bottom and up thru the perlite.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
I will try and read your post at this time.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
#19134135 - 11/14/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cakes look good. you should get a great pin-set on the "spiky ones".
you should switch the wet verm in the bottom of the chamber to perlite, you want something that creates humidity.
also if you are going to do cakes you should try putting them in a "shot gun fruiting chamber". it allows for the best fresh air exchange while keeping the humidity high but you have to mist 3 or 4 times a day along with fanning.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: karp]
#19134152 - 11/14/13 12:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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also on your strain i found that Mazatapec colonize slower than other MS syringes that i have used. if you had trouble with that you should look into agar work that should speed up colonizing times.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: karp]
#19134155 - 11/14/13 12:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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partyinthestars said: Preparing to birth the mycelium cake, I went ahead and sterilized the chamber
This is not really possible, and nor really needed. You most likely just sanitized it
Fruiting is not a sterile process...it is done in open air.
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partyinthestars said: and wet enough vermiculite in a strainer to place on the bottom for the "ground" (and I imagine this also produces additional moisture&nutrients for the mycelium cake).
No, at this point the verm in the bottom of a tub is pointless.
It hardly adds moisture, and you do not want any more nutrients at this point, you want the cakes to fruit, they are already on the verge of being too nutritious.
Were you following a tek?
If so that tek needs to be pulled and deleted.
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partyinthestars said: I carefully removed it from the jar with sterilized hands and placed it into a glass of tapwater and left it sitting while I was at work for roughly 12-13 hours, when I got home I removed it from the glass, and dunked the moist mycelium cake into dry vermiculite. After the dunking process was complete, I proceeded to go ahead and add the cake to the center of the fruiting chamber.
This was all done correctly, except for the sterilizing of body parts.....that just did not happen.
Chemicals sanitize, heat sterilizes.
And I would have dunked for a full 24 hours.
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partyinthestars said: Anyways, I did notice the passed few days, it began growing more mycelium, mainly around the dry vermiculite I dunked it into before adding the cake to the FC. I knew this is a good sign, shows it's growing well.
It means it needs more fresh air bro....it is asking you for help.
Build a proper fruiting chamber that does not build up so much co2.
You want high co2 for colonization and very low co2 for fruiting.
You chamber has very high co2 right now....you want constant fresh air so the chamber does not build the co2 up.
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partyinthestars said: I've been misting about three-four times a day, fanning once or twice a day (continued that same method sense day one of placing the cake in the FC. seems to be working great honestly). I just want to know if I should be doing anything differently.
Fan out the chamber every time you mist, so what you misted can evaporate, which is a main pinning trigger.
This is why you want constant fresh air...so there is constant evaporation off the substrate....so there is constantly moisture in the air.
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karp said: cakes look good. you should get a great pin-set on the "spiky ones".

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karp said: also if you are going to do cakes you should try putting them in a "shot gun fruiting chamber". it allows for the best fresh air exchange while keeping the humidity high but you have to mist 3 or 4 times a day along with fanning.
A SGFC only has to be misted/fanned 2 times a day....more is ok...but it will do just fine misting/fanning twice a day.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: karp]
#19134162 - 11/14/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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karp said: also on your strain i found that Mazatapec colonize slower than other MS syringes that i have used. if you had trouble with that you should look into agar work that should speed up colonizing times.
Cubes are cubes.....Mazatapec are not slower or faster than any other variety...it is all a genetic crapshoot....you just got slow genetics that time.
The next syringe labled Maz that you get could very well colonize everything fast as shit....it just all depends...but not on the name some vendor gave some group of spores....that means little.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: PussyFart]
#19134265 - 11/14/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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With some pinnings coming out, at least you're doing something right. I'd suggest remove the bed of verms. There's no nutrients there, besides you don't want to introduce any nutrients now because that'll just invite troubles.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: incubis]
#19134335 - 11/14/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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incubis said: I'd suggest remove the bed of verm. There's no nutrients there
Actually, verm does have nutritional value...it has trace minerals.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: PussyFart]
#19134542 - 11/14/13 02:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hey op, what tek did you follow?
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: k00laid]
#19134598 - 11/14/13 02:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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k00laid said: hey op, what tek did you follow?
Looks like he made it up as he went along
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partyinthestars
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: partyinthestars]
#19134645 - 11/14/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
#19134653 - 11/14/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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partyinthestars said: I didn't specifically follow any particular tek. I plan to, this was just kind of an experiment. To get how this all works.

usually people dont perform experiments early on in their cultivation careers.
good luck though.
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partyinthestars
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: k00laid]
#19134669 - 11/14/13 03:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
#19134671 - 11/14/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My most important question to everybody; Do you think I will get any flushes from this? As in, do you think I will still get a harvest from it?
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
#19134677 - 11/14/13 03:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes you have some pins growing so you should get some fruits. If you build you a sgfc today and get them in there you'll get more and better fruits
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partyinthestars
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) *DELETED* [Re: k00laid]
#19134680 - 11/14/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: Stromrider]
#19134683 - 11/14/13 03:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: Yes you have some pins growing so you should get some fruits. If you build you a sgfc today and get them in there you'll get more and better fruits
Thanks for the information! So, I should build a shotgun chamber, and use perlite on the bottom (moist), and transfer the cake from the current chamber to the new one? Just trying to makesure, I get paid soon so I plan to over the weekend.
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
#19134695 - 11/14/13 03:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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partyinthestars said: Thanks for the replies everyone! My replies to you are below. &So, I should removed the vermiculite from the bottom of the fruiting chamber and replace it with wet perlite?
Yes, after you drill the specified holes on all 6 sides.
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partyinthestars said: Any teks for this same method I used you'd have to recommend?
www.mushroomvideos.com
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partyinthestars said: As far as the white pointy mycelium, if you know what this means what is it? Is it even mycelium?
It's called aerial mycellium, and it is usually caused by lack of FAE, or not a long enough consolidation period.
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partyinthestars said: My grow-area is in my room. So I didn't know if it'd be a good idea (with the always typical possibility of contaminates) to have holes in my chamber. I can definitely fan it more often. But I won't put holes in unless I can have some evidence as to if anything can be airborne from doing so and that contams wouldn't find their ways in through those holes.
Fruiting is not a sterile process.
Fully colonized cakes are contam resistant.
Fanning out the chamber multiple times a day is not an alternative to constant fresh air.
You need CONSTANT fresh air so you have CONSTANT low co2 levels along with constant evaporation.
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partyinthestars said: You think there's a possibility of all my pins aborting. Could you elaborate as to why?
High co2 build up, lack of fresh air, lack of evaopporation.
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partyinthestars said: Why are my fruits too nutritious? That part has me lost.
I have no idea...I never said they were.
I did say that BRF cakes are on the verge of being too nutritious....and they are.
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partyinthestars said: "This was all done correctly, except for the sterilizing of body parts", did I mention if I did or didn't sterilize my body parts? Or am I lost and you're talking of something else?
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partyinthestars said: I carefully removed it from the jar with sterilized hands

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partyinthestars said: Incubis; I'm already taking that into consideration. So how exactly should I go about taking the bottom vermiculite layer out? I plan to go with what hacker said and put perlite on the bottom. It should be moist when put in as well, correct?
Yes....read the tek I linked you to bro......
Then watch the videos.....it's self explanatory.
www.mushroomvideos.com
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Edited by PussyFart (11/14/13 04:01 AM)
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Stromrider
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: PussyFart]
#19134703 - 11/14/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: First Grow, How's It Looking? (?pointy white mycelium?) [Re: partyinthestars]
#19134813 - 11/14/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nothing you can have the expectation to do perfectly the first time.
That is incorrect, following a tek properly gives you a very good chance to get a perfect result the first time.
Here is my first flush: 
And the second: 
From the start of that until now I did get myself a flowhood, basic lab stuff, a pressure cooker, etc. From the moment I got sucked into mycology until now, I had success, just by reading all the info that is on the shroomery and using it without being too cocky. The info is here so you don't have to make mistakes, so pick a tek and follow it all the way. Your cakes look fine to fruit, just put them in the right fruiting conditions. Oxygen is pinning trigger number one, so make sure they get it, get a fruiting chamber with proper fresh air exchange.
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