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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: SARAtonin] * 2
    #19133018 - 11/13/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Time to legalize opium and all its derivatives. :yesnod:


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #19133281 - 11/13/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think the US government would like that too much


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: ChRnZN] * 2
    #19133294 - 11/13/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The US government isn't a sentient being.  It can't "like" anything.  It only represents the people of the U.S.  Opium is illegal because the people of the U.S. want it to be illegal.


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Enlil]
    #19133376 - 11/13/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Enlil said:
The US government isn't a sentient being.  It can't "like" anything.  It only represents the people of the U.S.  Opium is illegal because the people of the U.S. want it to be illegal.




i dont follow this logic, the us government may just be a title, but there are people under that title that are sentient

and although i guess maybe people dont want opium legalized, if they did i doubt the feds would play ball

look at pot, legal at the state level but not federal


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: hidenseek1] * 2
    #19133396 - 11/13/13 09:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They wouldn't be able to stop it.  The people would elect people who legalized it.

And no, pot isn't legal at the state level in most of the U.S.


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19133412 - 11/13/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

thank you for correcting me, enlil.  What I meant to say is that there are certain figures in the US government who profit from the illegality of opiate derivatives by getting them shipped from the golden triangle by army officials and selling them on the black market for ridiculous prices.  Prices that would drop sharply if these products were legalized.


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: ChRnZN]
    #19133440 - 11/13/13 09:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Whether or not that is true, it doesn't matter.  Laws are passed by elected official.  Those officials are elected by the people...not by shadowy conspirators.


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Enlil]
    #19133504 - 11/13/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We're all puppets.

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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Enlil]
    #19133554 - 11/13/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, I was thinking of CIA members trafficking opium, not politicians.  That's a whole other mess.  Perhaps they are a bit more shadowy.  Certainly not elected officials!

interesting reading on the subject by San Hose State University faculty Alfred McCoy - DRUG FALLOUT: The CIA's forty-year complicityin the narcotics trade


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: ChRnZN]
    #19134088 - 11/14/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Chinese history is pretty cool but it seems so inaccessible to westerners. Outside of taking a college course i don’t really know where you would get the info. Lord knows I’ve already wasted enough credits on history classes. Too bad, because history of colonialism in africa is so tempting. Instead ill be slaving away in SQL and Buisness law  :justkillmenow:

I know the least about
1. Sub Saharan African History
2. East asian history
(basically i don’t know anything about the non muslim parts of those continents)
3 South American history (honestly doesn’t interest me, maaaaaybe brazil rest of the continent no....)

My strongest points are
1 military history/geopolitics
2 US history
3 Russian history
(naturally right :lol:)


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: elax420] * 1
    #19150257 - 11/17/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I only discovered this thread just now... Thank you Sara, i'm having so much fun reading it all now. Here's my snippet:

For a government that has been taking an increasingly strict line on drugs it's an embarrassing revelation, as shocking as it is intriguing: a book in the Netherlands reveals the country supplied all sides fighting in the First World War with grade A cocaine.



Conny Braam stumbled across the information while she was researching the Dutch cultivation of opium over the centuries, discovering the country was home to the biggest ever cocaine "factory" in Europe. Not only that, given that the Netherlands was a neutral country, it took the shrewd decision to promote the drug on both sides of the conflict, convincing all those involved that cocaine was the ultimate weapon.

Cocaine factory
She used her findings as the basis for a novel entitled The Dutch Cocaine Factory Sales Rep, relying on research carried out by a German scientist who in the 19th century tried out cocaine on soldiers and was enthusiastic about the results.




"He wrote about it, that this was the best thing to get soldiers fighting, because the feeling of hunger goes, you can go on for 24 hours, you can get very reckless and actually, in those circumstances, you become a real killing machine."



When it dawned on her that the Dutch had probably come to the same conclusion, the author dedicated two years to carrying out research in the UK, the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany, investigating archives and documents. The Dutch factory opened in 1900 and originally produced an average of 14,000 kg of cocaine a year. But a surge in demand from military commanders after 1914 saw production rise to between 20,000 and 30,000 kg a year. And it wasn't expensive - one kilogram of cocaine cost 800 guilders on the open market. That's around 36 euro cents per gram, less than a hundredth of the price it goes for today.



Reckless, crazy, idiotic
Conny Braam discovered reams of previously unseen correspondence between the Dutch government and those they supplied, as well as articles in pharmaceutical magazines describing the success of the drug.



"There are descriptions of people who used it and it’s not very different from those who use cocaine nowadays... It makes them reckless, it makes them crazy, idiotic, with no responsibility, nothing."

She estimates that hundreds of thousands of soldiers used the drug, but admits it is impossible to be sure of the figures because so many died during the war. Her guess is based on the number of addicts when fighting finished.

Her studies show it was unlikely the soldiers knew what it was they were taking, even though at the time the use of cocaine was less stigmatised than it is today.

"They all got a cup of rum before they went over the top and the cocaine might have been in the rum, because with alcohol it works doubly well. I think a lot of these soldiers had no idea. The only thing you could see was trench after trench, these hundreds and thousands of poor, poor soldiers were running like mad, straight into the fire of the German machine guns."

During her research Conny Braam found the door slammed in her face whenever she mentioned the word 'cocaine' and eventually resorted to telling people she was researching the use of medicines during the war. She adds that she is waiting for a reaction from an army official - but that too could prove difficult given the controversial questions the book has led her to ask.

"I would like people to discuss this thing in view of the wars that are going in Iraq and Afghanistan. What do they give these poor guys there? What do they make available to them? People come to me and say: 'You have no idea what's going on these days.' Write a book about that."

I haven't read the book yet, I really should and write a summary here :thumbup:


Edited by Beanhead (11/17/13 03:38 PM)


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Beanhead]
    #19150395 - 11/17/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds interesting.


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19153977 - 11/18/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I would think in iraq and afghanistan that they are able to get opiates and weed but idk for sure how they would get away with it if they are using


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Herbologist]
    #19154011 - 11/18/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:tee:


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Herbologist]
    #19154095 - 11/18/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Simple-Psyman]
    #19158781 - 11/19/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no more fun facts for us :sad:


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Herbologist]
    #19159967 - 11/19/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

someone should be proposed to take the reigns what Sara is busy doin thangs.


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #19160035 - 11/19/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The facts haven't been all that fun anyway.


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Enlil]
    #19160041 - 11/19/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

most people seem to be enjoying them >_>


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Re: Saras Fun History Fact of the Day. [Re: Enlil]
    #19160064 - 11/19/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

On this day in 1942 the Russians launched their infamous counteroffensive in Stalingrad.  This was the start of the great debacle in which the 4th Panzer Army was completely surrounded along with the Sixth Army.


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