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spookypooky
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I'm going to try worm castings for the first time
#19133911 - 11/13/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well guys, I'm back.
I'm going to try a bulk sub monotub of worm castings, coir, and verm, with a little bit of gypsum and a bit of hydrated lime and put any extra in some 5 gallon buckets.
WISH ME LUCK!
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: spookypooky]
#19133964 - 11/13/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would leave out the worm castings and lime.....no need for it.
I hope you plan on properly pasteurizing the mix, and not just using the bucket tek.
Either way I wish you the best of luck.
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: PussyFart]
#19134034 - 11/13/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why leave out the worm castings? I usually had great luck using the "bucket pasteurizing" method with straight coir and once I started using that and cut out h-poo and straw stopped having contam issues. Spent 25$ on a big bag of worm castings thinking they'd make my shrooms a little happier if I properly pasteurized the castings separately. People seem to say great things about them around here?
If theres a great reason not to use castings, let me know, i'll take them back and get my cash back
Edited by spookypooky (11/13/13 11:47 PM)
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: spookypooky]
#19134045 - 11/13/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Coir is very contam resistant so the bucket tek works more then not...add any kind of poo and you need proper pasteurization
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: Rubestoad]
#19134050 - 11/13/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can I get away with properly pasturizing the poo separately?
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: spookypooky]
#19134056 - 11/13/13 11:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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spookypooky said: Why leave out the worm castings?
There is no real benefit....if there was it would be a popular additive.
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spookypooky said: I usually had great luck using the "bucket pasteurizing" method with straight coir and once I started using that and cut out h-poo and straw stopped having contam issues. Spent 25$ on a big bag of worm castings thinking they'd make my shrooms a little happier if I properly pasteurized the castings separately.
You would have to....or just properly pasteurize everything all at once.
Only coir/verm/gypsum works for the bucket tek....anything else and you are likely to fail.
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spookypooky said: People seem to say great things about them around here?
Not really.....use the search function.
None of the posts will reveal any real benefit.
A lot of the posts will reveal normal or sub-normal results.
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spookypooky said: If theres a great reason not to use castings, let me know, i'll take them back and get my cash back
Again, use the search function and make a descision.
I say get your money back and invest it into more grains and coir.
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: PussyFart] 1
#19134065 - 11/13/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did use the search function, that's why I picked up worm castings for a change. I see a few teks mentioning it. Did you use the search function before acting like a dildo?
Yep, searched again. It's mentioned a few times.
Well, thanks for the luck, dildoery aside!
Edited by spookypooky (11/13/13 11:57 PM)
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: spookypooky]
#19134081 - 11/14/13 12:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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spookypooky said: I did use the search function, that's why I picked up worm castings for a change. I see a few teks mentioning it. Did you use the search function before acting like a dildo?
I was not acting like a dildo, but you are acting a certain type of way. 
I gave you my opinion, and my advice....take it or leave it.
There is no real benefit of using worm castings....you might as well just use horse manure if you have to add something...because no matter what you add you are going to have to properly pasteurize it....so you might as well use the best substrate you can, and not something that would have little to no benefit.
All fact, no dildoism.....
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: spookypooky] 2
#19134422 - 11/14/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker seems to have something to say about everything. He takes what other people state as there opinion and find some way to tell them that they are wrong. I have had nothing but great results when adding casting to my sub. Same as the post I read when i used the search bar. I add only about a quart when I make a half brick of coir. I have noticed quicker colonization time and bigger fruits.
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: shroomnub4u]
#19134504 - 11/14/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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shroomnub4u said: Notahacker seems to have something to say about everything. He takes what other people state as there opinion and find some way to tell them that they are wrong.
Haters gonna hate....
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shroomnub4u said: I have had nothing but great results when adding casting to my sub. Same as the post I read when i used the search bar. I add only about a quart when I make a half brick of coir. I have noticed quicker colonization time and bigger fruits.
Ok, fruit size is mostly dependant upon moisture content and genetics, not nutritional value.
More nutrients will help you get thru more flushes, but more nutrients definitely do not help with fruit size.
Furthermore, mycellium will colonize a less nutritious substrate faster, because it will stretch out in search of more food.
If you did infact witness shorter colonization times using it as an additive, this means the substrate was LESS nutritious than before....or...
the mycellium will also colonize a dryer substrate faster than a slightly wetter one, so if the moisture was off by a hair this could have been a factor as well.....or......
unless you are talking about using an isolate, your results are not conclusive, and multispore genetics are always a crapshoot.
Now let's see what some TC(Trusted Cultivators) think about using worm castings as an additive to bulk...
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FrankHorrigan said: Worm castings don't provide any noticeable benefit to cubes IME. They do gunk up when wet and make your sub clumpier. Ditch those.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/newreply.php?Cat=0&Board=2&Number=17259482&page=0&what=showflat&fpart=1&vc=1&q=1&replystamp=1384419931
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RogerRabbit said: Worm castings make a nice additive to bulk substrates, but they would only dilute brf cakes. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18837384#18837384
Ok, so it seems we have varying opinions on this matter....we need a tie breaker...
I can accept being wrong....
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shamanamba said: gypsum and coffee, as stated before in this thread. I tried adding worm castings to a batch of my cakes once and the myc just wouldn't colonize the spots where the worm castings were. I was confused by this because worm castings do wonders for my bulk substrates.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15766245#15766245
Seems I got adding it to cakes confused with adding it to bulk....for that I am sorry.
I learned something today.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/14/13 02:15 AM)
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: spookypooky]
#19134534 - 11/14/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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spookypooky said: Well guys, I'm back.
I'm going to try a bulk sub monotub of worm castings, coir, and verm, with a little bit of gypsum and a bit of hydrated lime and put any extra in some 5 gallon buckets.
WISH ME LUCK!
good luck.
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: PussyFart]
#19134551 - 11/14/13 02:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice to see someone admit when they may have been wrong. It seems as though my positive results when using casting may just have been a fluke if everything notahacker is saying is correct. So I might have been out of place posting that. But like the I said my results seemed better when I added castings. Whether the casting had anything to do with the positive results is beyond me.
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: shroomnub4u]
#19134589 - 11/14/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you want better results concentrate more on genetics and less on additives. That's the best advice I can give
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Re: I'm going to try worm castings for the first time [Re: PussyFart]
#19134642 - 11/14/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why is everyone down on worm castings as an additive (the people Hacker quoted)? I guess for cube cakes it makes no sense.
On the other hand, these pan-cakes have worm castings as an additive:
 
 
It definitely does not hurt anything for them at least.
As far as the OP:
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I'm going to try a bulk sub monotub of worm castings, coir, and verm, with a little bit of gypsum and a bit of hydrated lime and put any extra in some 5 gallon buckets.
Going bulk worm castings may be a different story (I have no experience doing that). And as Hacker said, the bucket method is doomed for failure with anything that has nutrients in it.
As an additive I have seen no problem with using it though. All experiences vary.
Edited by MacMerdin (11/14/13 04:01 AM)
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