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How to grind up root bark effectively?
    #19133594 - 11/13/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, so long story short I am doing yet another spice extraction from some acacia confusa root bark. Every time I get it from my supplier it is in large chunks between 1-4 inches long and vary in thickness because he harvests the bark from his trees and doesn't have time to grind them down further so I am left with the task. So far I have done this 3 times. Once using a blender which was pretty unsuccessful and then the next 2 times I used a Mr. Coffee grinder and while it worked, both times the coffee grinder was destroyed and unusable after my 500g run. So the next time I had to grind I had to waste another bit of money just to break the coffee grinder in the end after I am finished.
So my question is simply, does anyone know of a device I can buy easily that will grind root bark to a fine shredded/coarse powder and still be usable in the future. Not for anything else but grinding bark but still usable because I am sick of wasting money every extraction.


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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: KillerSpores]
    #19133635 - 11/13/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I use a metal weed grinder followed by a smaller plastic toothed grinder. my suggestion is go to a hardware store and see what power equipment might do the job fit for you. I have a question for you can i store acacia formosa already ground up if i wanted to have some aleady ground up for the next brewing?


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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: Notfromarkansas]
    #19133655 - 11/13/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OP you don't have to grind it up.  I know the exact bark of which you speak.

do like 4 or 5 acid boils for an hour each, you'll get all the goodies out.

what tek are you using


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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: NWlight]
    #19133720 - 11/13/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Its 500g's so I don't think I have the wrist power or will to grind that much up with a metal grinder then again through another. That's too much
As for storage, if it is a power just stick it in a bag and vac seal it. The air is your enemy and might degrade your bark but that is just playing it safe.

Hmmm, I have never thought about not grinding it up, I always got it ground up and still did the 4 acid boils. Are you positive? This is my one weekend off and if it doesn't do well I am going to be kicking myself so hard.
And I am not using any specific tek, I just worked alot with acacia confusa and I have figured out how I get amazing yields by trying a bunch of different methods. I always do large extractions at once though. Usually always 500g at a time. First 2 boils in one jar and the 2nd 2 boils in the other jar. Basify, add NPS cyphon, freeze, re-xtal then make it all into changa. That's my tek without specifics.


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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: KillerSpores]
    #19133747 - 11/13/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you do acacia confusa STB? interesting.  How do you deal with all the plant fats?


Do you do a CO2 bubble to precip the NMT after or do you just keep it as an NMT-DMT mix?


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    #19133773 - 11/13/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh I am sorry I am stoned I did not realize I left out the fact that I use 8 grams of absorbic acid (vitamin C) to each boil to acidify my water. I used to use Vinegear but I found absorbic acid is KING.
No I end up with beautiful white Crystals.
From my last extraction using the method described above.
With the flash on to show color

This is with the jar pointed at the sun to show contrast and crystal formation




I just need to know about the grinding situation because I still have all my supplies from my last extraction so all I needed was a grinder but I am trying to see if anyone else knows one that will LAST.


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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: KillerSpores]
    #19133802 - 11/13/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

dats some nice DMT porn :drooling:

I've never bothered to grind it up but I haven't done both methods and compared yield so I can't really tell for sure it's any better or worse.



I know some people do the thaw-freeze thaw - freeze method  thaw- freeze to break up the plant's cells tho.  especially if you're doing a lot.

i can't think of anything better than a blender.



the cartels use those spinning weed whacker things to chop up coca leaves in bulk if you have one of those....

maybe $50



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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: NWlight]
    #19133831 - 11/13/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the compliment!
I don't do the freeze thing too much, just one or 2 freezes then thaw and start working with it.
My only worry is that the acidified water wont penetrate and allow all the goodies to percolate out. When it is tiny chinks then the greater surface area does it much faster.
I feel like that weed eater would just make a massive mess. The Mr Coffee is only 25 bucks so I guess I will just break another one of those lol. Thanks for the response though NWlight!


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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: KillerSpores]
    #19133839 - 11/13/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: NWlight]
    #19136317 - 11/14/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1- You can buy coffee grinders pretty cheap.  Likewise with blenders, if you know where to look. I just got a new coffee grinder at a local "discount store" chain for lie $10.  Even at walmart I think the black and decker ones are like $15.  Which isn't terrible, if you're making a big batch. If this is too much, look at goodwill or something. Blenders are among the most common appliances I see sold there.


2- PRE-CUT YOUR BARK!!!!  Get yourself a pair of little pruning shears. Probably not too much at a department store, or a hardware store. A pair of good pruning shears should be able to go through much of the bark without issue. If you try to put in chunks that are too big, you will probably dull the  (grinder) blade pretty quick, if not completely fry the motor on whatever you're using.  The more you pre-cut, the easier it grinds up.


3- Blend / grind in bursts.  In other words, do NOT just put the stuff in, and run the machine until you're satisfied. If you read the instructions on many coffee grinders, they usually suggest to only run the machine a few seconds at a time, then give it a few seconds to cool down. If you try to blend/grind too much, too fast, you can blow out the motor.


4- If you are using a technique like Straight-to-Base, or are willing to allow for a longer soak time in the basic phase, you do not need to grind it up as fine. It doesn't have to be dust. A fine grind will let you pull faster. But I am of the opinion that if you feel the need to rush an extraction, you possibly should not be doing it in the first place. Just a thought.




Preparing your extraction material, when you are using bark, is the longest, most time consuming, biggest pain-in-the-ass part of an extraction. But unless you've got an industrial grinder, that's just how it goes. Look at it like a ritual. The entire time you spend prepping, you are focusing on the end result. Put on some good, trippy music. Or maybe something spiritual. Light some incense. Say a prayer.


I have found that ritualizing certain preparations makes them more painless. And also potentially sets up a good, reverent mindstate that you can call back later. Then again, psychedelics have always been kind of spiritual to me :shrug:


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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #19136352 - 11/14/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You basically need one of these..


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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: LSDreams]
    #19136359 - 11/14/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why stop there?



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Re: How to grind up root bark effectively? [Re: NWlight]
    #19136539 - 11/14/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That was actually the first thing I thought of when he was talking about shredding large pieces of bark. OP should just get the shredder shown above, and start ordering massive pieces of bark for a bigger yield.


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