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OfflinePatlal
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Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. * 1
    #19131768 - 11/13/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I constantly hear you guys say that if drugs were legal, a lot of problems would be solved. Some you you give compelling arguments. The most popular arguments are:

- Drugs would be safer due to controlled purity
- Billions would be saved by ending the drug war
- Less crime would be committed due to lower price and accessibility
- Tax money would flood in

These may all be true, but there is one crucial factor that most people fail to take in consideration. Let's look at a few numbers

If you take some statistics about tobacco and alcohol, which are both legal, you will find something similar to this:

- 20% of the US population are smokers (62 million people)
- 15% of the US population are considered to be "problem drinkers" (46 million people)

Now if you look at marijuana and cocaine usage you should find this:

- Approximately 5 million people are cocaine addicts
- Approximately 15 million people say they have used marijuana in the last month

So it is clear that the legal substances are consumed way more than illicit substance.

That being said, what if legalization of illicit drugs shot up dramatically after they have been legalized?

Can you imagine how absolutely stupid the government that legalized drugs would look like? It would destroy the political party. It would probably be known as the worse thing that happened to society.

If legalization doubled or tripled the amount of cocaine addicts, can you imagine the devasting impact it would have on society? Health care costs would srise do to increased drug realted health problem. Some people would cease to be functioning citizen, reducing the productivity of the nation. Sudden death to overdose would rise (you can't save them all). Now imagine the numbers for heroin, meth, crack and all other potentially deadly drugs.

Sociology is a complicated science that often goes agaisnt common sense. Who knows, maybe consumption would go down.

Is that coin worth flipping?

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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19131787 - 11/13/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Legalization of drugs won't automatically lead to more addicts.

Drugs are illegal for lots of reasons, but preventing addiction, in my opinion, is not one of them.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Patlal]
    #19131818 - 11/13/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good point, however, one thought is that the resources (i.e. money) saved from law enforcement and incarceration could be put back toward harm reduction strategies.

Look at the example of smoking.  Through systematic public health measures (smoking bans, taxation, and education) we've dramatically reduced smoking.  The resources saved from enforcement could be put towards similar measures for ALL drugs.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Patlal]
    #19131962 - 11/13/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The legal status of a drug has nothing to do with usage.  If you are addicted to cocaine, you are going to do cocaine regardless of its legal status.  If you are addicted to heroin you are going to do heroin regardless of its legal status.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: badchad]
    #19131992 - 11/13/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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badchad said:
Good point, however, one thought is that the resources (i.e. money) saved from law enforcement and incarceration could be put back toward harm reduction strategies.

Look at the example of smoking.  Through systematic public health measures (smoking bans, taxation, and education) we've dramatically reduced smoking.  The resources saved from enforcement could be put towards similar measures for ALL drugs.




Yes but that implies that you are willing to create a social crisis and propose the solution to it. So what's the point? The status quo is much easier


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: VapoRs]
    #19131995 - 11/13/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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VapoRs said:
The legal status of a drug has nothing to do with usage.  If you are addicted to cocaine, you are going to do cocaine regardless of its legal status.  If you are addicted to heroin you are going to do heroin regardless of its legal status.




Yes but legalizing coke and H and making them more accessible is bound to create addicts that would not have tried either drugs because they didn't know where to buy it before the legalization.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: VapoRs]
    #19132012 - 11/13/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They aren't completely unrelated IMO, but yeah I don't think legality is the deciding factor for that many people. If coke was made legal tomorrow and you could buy it OTC at the local pharmacy, I still wouldn't. It's not something I'm interested in taking because it doesn't seem worth the risk of addiction. The people who don't care about that risk probably also don't care much about the legal risks currently associated with it.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: psi]
    #19132032 - 11/13/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If people REALLY wanted coke and H they'd get it. Hell I found acid. That's like 30x harder to find IMO. Everyone has coke. No one has acid.

On a side note, due to government supply (a huge increase in supply compared to the shotty kids at home cookin meth) prices would dramatically decrease. Making addiction affordable, like pot and alcohol and tobacco.

Would people be any different? Find me a coke addict or a heroin addict and tell me how much different they are than any other person you see on the street. These people all work 9-5 for their fix. People are people and they can do a lot high or sober. It's their choice whether or not to fuck up their lives. Not the governments. All we should be allowed to do is seize their children if their living situation is unfit. Not throw the parents in jail AND seize the children.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: psi]
    #19132040 - 11/13/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psi said:
They aren't completely unrelated IMO, but yeah I don't think legality is the deciding factor for that many people. If coke was made legal tomorrow and you could buy it OTC at the local pharmacy, I still wouldn't. It's not something I'm interested in taking because it doesn't seem worth the risk of addiction. The people who don't care about that risk probably also don't care much about the legal risks currently associated with it.




Cocaine wouldn't be over the counter like in the old days, just decriminalized.  Some countries have had positive results from legalizing or decriminalizing certain things.  I'm no expert but it's what I've heard.  If certain drugs became legal and we started selling them OTC the addict problem would certainly not slow down or be solved by any means.:lol:  I don't think opium fields would pop up every where though if drugs were legal and we didn't sell them OTC.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Mad Season]
    #19132044 - 11/13/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

On a different note, overdoses... Especially heroin overdoses seem to happen because the dealer gets a new shipment of drugs that are far more pure and this causes people to over dose. Government issued drugs will be the same purity every time. Every argument leads to legalization EXCEPT the black market and the profits it gives.

Imagine a world where drugs manufactured are done in the homes of kids or someone else willing to do the work, across seas or in the cartels. Where the government didn't have to pay for supply but got A LOT of profits. This is why the black market exists. Without it, the government will be responsible for the entire process of it, costing them way more than you'd think. The economy won't actually go up as much as people think, though it will definitely help regardless.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Mad Season]
    #19132056 - 11/13/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The government doesn't supply the drugs in countries where it's legal to do them.  Part of the argument in America is that the pharmaceutical industry will lose tons of money if only marijuana gets legalized.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: thizzlemaniac]
    #19132121 - 11/13/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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psi said:
They aren't completely unrelated IMO, but yeah I don't think legality is the deciding factor for that many people. If coke was made legal tomorrow and you could buy it OTC at the local pharmacy, I still wouldn't. It's not something I'm interested in taking because it doesn't seem worth the risk of addiction. The people who don't care about that risk probably also don't care much about the legal risks currently associated with it.




Cocaine wouldn't be over the counter like in the old days, just decriminalized.  Some countries have had positive results from legalizing or decriminalizing certain things.  I'm no expert but it's what I've heard.  If certain drugs became legal and we started selling them OTC the addict problem would certainly not slow down or be solved by any means.:lol:  I don't think opium fields would pop up every where though if drugs were legal and we didn't sell them OTC.




IMO even decrim is very unlikely with cocaine in the US for decades at least. Full legalization is needed for consistent dosing though. Unreliable adulterated drugs significantly increase overdose risk.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Patlal]
    #19132128 - 11/13/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You forgot the main thing though...

The actual legalization is only one part of drug legalization.

The other bigger part of legalization is proper drug education.


We need to actually give children/young adults the education they deserve.

Instead of just telling them all drugs are bad, mkay?

We teach them the difference between use/abuse, teach them that there can be a time and a place for using, teach them correctly about addiction, etc....

IMO/IME a well informed person is less likely to become a drug abuser/addict.

A lot of people get in their teens and they realize most the stuff they learned about drugs is bullshit, so they think all of it probably is.

If we stopped feeding our citizens bullshit and told them the truth I feel there would be less drug addicts/abusers.



Even if my whole theory fails, which I don't think it will, so what. If someone wants to get blasted out of their mind, everyday, in the privacy of their own home, while not harming anyone except for themselves, who is the government to tell them they can't?


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Patlal]
    #19132137 - 11/13/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree completely with OP. I can't even imagine what would happen if all drugs were legalized. I feel like the amount of heroin addicts may not necessarily increase but the usage of drugs like acid and mdma definitely will. I know kids who started rolling in high school and became obsessed. They couldn't go longer than 2-3 weeks without rolling. These kids sough it out themselves, and I saw these same people share their molly with kids who most likely wouldn't have tried it had someone not given them the opportunity to. These kids ended up becoming obsessed as well. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly believe that by increasing the availability of substances, users who originally would not have sought out a dealer will be more willing to try them. Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is a completely different argument.

Personally, I'm all for decriminalization, I think it is absolutely absurd how long you can go to jail for if you grow your own mushrooms. The fact that these people are placed in the same place as murders is beyond me. But, I don't think stores/companies should necessarily have the ability to start selling mushrooms either. I think this same concept should apply to most drugs. Yes, this plan sustains the black market but I'm just a little unsure as to what will have a more detrimental effect on society. Keeping the black market alive or making substances available to the public.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19132156 - 11/13/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Legalization of drugs won't automatically lead to more addicts.

Drugs are illegal for lots of reasons, but preventing addiction, in my opinion, is not one of them.




If addiction is the issue, then why are one the things that cause the most deaths in America still legal? AKA cigarettes

Worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year, and current trends show that tobacco use will cause more than 8 million deaths annually by 2030.4
http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/

Once again your wrong.

Drugs are illegal b/c the main supplier of drugs is the government, ever since the Chinese Opium Wars and now they run Afghanistan (#1 supplier of Opium aka Big Pharma Land) through the Middle East wars for Gold, Oil Drugs and other resources such as lithium, and to set up puppet governments run by the corporations of the New World Order.

WASHINGTON — "Ahmed Wali Karzai, the brother of the president of Afghanistan, gets regular payments from the CIA and has for much of the past eight years, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

The CIA's ties to Karzai, who is a suspected player in the country's illegal opium trade, have created deep divisions within the Obama administration, the Times said."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/27/karzais-brother-on-cia-pa_n_336279.html

So the president of Afghanistan's brother AKA the biggest Opium dealer in the World was under CIA payroll. Hey everyone has a boss right? Our government runs the drug supply, and they make much more money off keep it illegal, then legal.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Kiya_Star427]
    #19132187 - 11/13/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the system will collapse until it reaches an equilibrium point on safe drug use and the government cannot afford that


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19132213 - 11/13/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Tobacco is by far the most addictive drug legal or not. The majority of people who use drugs do not get addicted, the people who do are generally living with tough circumstances e.g poverty, family problems or mental illness. Never blame the drug, there will always be people who are reckless with their usage and will cause problems for themselves and sometimes others.


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: mr sniffles]
    #19132227 - 11/13/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I mean they were already caught ARMING the Los Zetas Drug Cartel the biggest Drug cartel in Mexico, which the government trains all there top commanding officers, and thats how they ship the guns and drugs to them. Before that Obama Operation Fast and Furious Scandal, Bush was running Operation Wide Receiver which was the same operation. These guys all run the drugs, the Secret Soceitys like Skull and Bones, and the Illuminati run the whole drug war, and even engineered things like Crack.

What's worse then that is what they do to our water and how they drug everything we do, even the children, they advertise drugs all day on tv, and make everything about there synthetic drugs.

Well here's and interview by the Minister of Propaganda

Aldous Huxley: in a Brave New World Interview Explaining how they would do this in 1958


“And it seems to me perfectly in the cards that there will be within the next generation or so a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing ⦠a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda, brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods.”

– Aldous Huxley

"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers.... The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth."

– Aldous Huxley


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Patlal]
    #19132238 - 11/13/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Patlal said:

That being said, what if legalization of illicit drugs shot up dramatically after they have been legalized?





Wow that would really fucking surprise me. I mean who would've guessed?


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Re: Why are drugs still illegal? Here's my theory. [Re: Synthe]
    #19132252 - 11/13/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So you think most people are going to shoot up, or smoke crack due to the fact it became legal tomorrow? That is the type of thinking that allows government to enslave you


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