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Weed mindfuck negative or useful?
    #19132191 - 11/13/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, first of all hello everyone. This is my first post on this forum, although I've been reading through a lot of posts for quite some time now.
I started this post to ask for your opinions on a subject that has been on my mind for a long time. Long story short, I wanted to know what you think about the mindfuck weed tends to evoke in lots of people, me included. Almost every time I smoke, lots of thoughts start building in my mind and one starts developing into another that is somehow related to the first one, and so on. Sometimes it's like a thought loop that is quite difficult to escape from. Usually it's not unpleasant at all though, I find it rather creative. In some situations though, normally in those where I have to act "normally", I start worrying about being evaluated by people around me, which leads to a negative thought loop, causing some anxiety to build up. I know this is a typical weed effect and you're probably going to suggest not smoking in this sort of setting if I find it unpleasant. Actually I do prefer smoking alone in a relaxed environment or with close friends who either are smoking to or are totally chill with being around high people. But what I really want to hear is if you think this "mindfuck", even when it's leading to anxiety during the high, can somehow be useful to learn things about yourself and to gain control over your thoughts, or if you think it's only negative to be in that state. Do you believe this type of mindset should be avoided or, on the other hand, actively "confronted" (either by trying to control your thoughts or by letting go)?
I don't know if I'm being clear enouh lol
Actually I've been thinking about trying some mushrooms in the near future, but if weed already makes my mind race this way, I'm kind of worried about a more powerful experience. Of course I wouldn't think about trying mushrooms for the first time in a setting which can easily lead to anxiety, but still...

I would be happy to hear any useful opinion, personal experience, etc. :grin:

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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19132281 - 11/13/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

First off, fuck what people think about you when you're high. If they're judging you they're pricks anyway and should be payed no mind. Give them shrooms and then make fun of them when they freak out.

Secondly if smoking weed with no tolerance affects you to such a degree either try to smoke less to the point where it doesn't trip you out, or smoke more to the point where you've built up your tolerance and no longer experience the negative side effects.


I personally cant stand the feeling I get from weed when i have no tolerance. Super floaty, everything all echo'ing, more paranoid then usual, even CEV's sometimes.

For me its either smoking 5 joints a day and getting little to no effect, or hardly smoking at all. As t is 1 puff from a joint will have me floating for hours with no way to take it down. Transitioning back into smoking all day is going to be pretty un-enjoyable for me :lol:


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #19135162 - 11/14/13 08:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Chuckfinely said:
First off, fuck what people think about you when you're high. If they're judging you they're pricks anyway and should be payed no mind. Give them shrooms and then make fun of them when they freak out.

Secondly if smoking weed with no tolerance affects you to such a degree either try to smoke less to the point where it doesn't trip you out, or smoke more to the point where you've built up your tolerance and no longer experience the negative side effects.


I personally cant stand the feeling I get from weed when i have no tolerance. Super floaty, everything all echo'ing, more paranoid then usual, even CEV's sometimes.

For me its either smoking 5 joints a day and getting little to no effect, or hardly smoking at all. As t is 1 puff from a joint will have me floating for hours with no way to take it down. Transitioning back into smoking all day is going to be pretty un-enjoyable for me :lol:




Thanks for your input.
I don't think lack of tolerance is the key factor as I've been smoking a couple of times a week for some time now. It sure is related, because, as you said, when I smoke daily the high is more controllable. I think it has more to do with my tendency to overanalyse everything.

You are right though about the fact that I should stop worrying about what people might think about me while being high, but that is easier said than done.

That's why I wanted to know what people on this forum think about this thought loops that sometimes are negative and produce anxiety. Sometimes I think to myself it would be better to avoid the situations in which this happens and just enjoy the fun part of being high in another setting, whereas other times I think it's more productive to face this situations in order to understand why I'm feeling that way and to practice having more control over my negative thoughts, as well as to overcome the fear of letting go.


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19135354 - 11/14/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I get that too, my mind races between intertwined thoughts.  I think it is positive if you use it in a good way.  When I come up with an amazing idea or thought train I write it down and go over it sober the next day.


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: pop]
    #19135410 - 11/14/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I get that too, my mind races between intertwined thoughts.  I think it is positive if you use it in a good way.  When I come up with an amazing idea or thought train I write it down and go over it sober the next day.




And when it's negative, do you think it's better to avoid smoking in the situations which lead to it or do you believe it's better to face it and learn to think positive/relax, etc.?


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19135439 - 11/14/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Psychoneironaut said:
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pop said:
I get that too, my mind races between intertwined thoughts.  I think it is positive if you use it in a good way.  When I come up with an amazing idea or thought train I write it down and go over it sober the next day.




And when it's negative, do you think it's better to avoid smoking in the situations which lead to it or do you believe it's better to face it and learn to think positive/relax, etc.?



I think if you know how to control it,  the weed can be very helpful. For example what you said about going into your mind, I sometimes go into my mind,  discover my problems, and use the extra creativity to find ways to solve those problems.


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: pop]
    #19135465 - 11/14/13 09:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ive found that just avoiding a situation that is unpleasant wont make it go away

Its true that not caring about what people think is easier said than done. but Ive been in the exact same shoes youre in. Always shy around people, thinking that theyre judging me for being too quiet, im weird, not cool, if i look alright, etc..

It took me a while to get over it. I would say at least until I was 20. After some time (and a good acid trip or two) I came to the realization that what they think does not matter. What I think matters. They're stuck in their little negative judging world, and will never be happy with themselves. While I on the other hand, get to enjoy anything I want to, without having to cast judgment or worrying about being judged.

Also most of these people that you feel are judging you, will probably not even remember you the next morning, if they were ever really judging you at all. And unless you're going to parties with the exact same group of people every time, then you'll probably never see 80% of these people who are judging you ever again. Everyone is wrapped up in their own little world, not concerned with if you said something a little awkward at the previous nights party.


Try going to the next social gathering with the mentality of "fuck all these losers, Im waaayyy cooler then them, they should be happy im gracing them with my presence"


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: Chuckfinely]
    #19135901 - 11/14/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

FIRST, to address your worry about mushrooms affecting you. Cannabis gives me MUCH more anxiety than a medium dose of mushrooms. Although mushrooms do give me anxiety as well, it's typically only in certain situations OR on the come up. When I peak it seems to go away. LSD gives me absolutely NO anxiety so don't let cannabis effect your decision, were all different and so are psychoactives, they affect us all differently. Good luck and have fun!

Second, I find that the cannabis high can be VERY helpful or annoying as FUCK. It really just depends. I've found it to be highly stressful but more than not I've found it to be helpful when I'm alone. I only smoke by myself now because of the anxiety. It's nothing to be ashamed about although it is annoying and does suck trying to explain to some folks that you smoke weed and won't smoke with them, I just tell folks that I don't smoke weed but I'm ready to trip any time, haha. I tell em that I'm either on probation or looking for a job. Both true in my case.

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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19136921 - 11/14/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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GreyMorph said:
FIRST, to address your worry about mushrooms affecting you. Cannabis gives me MUCH more anxiety than a medium dose of mushrooms. Although mushrooms do give me anxiety as well, it's typically only in certain situations OR on the come up. When I peak it seems to go away. LSD gives me absolutely NO anxiety so don't let cannabis effect your decision, were all different and so are psychoactives, they affect us all differently. Good luck and have fun!







i can relate to this so hard.  i will often tell people that i will get anxiety/panic feelings on weed waaaaaay more often then when tripping.  when i first started smoking, long ago, it never did that to me.  it started to get worse over time.  now my weed tolerance is so low that i can get perfectly ripped off two or three hits...anymore then that and anxiety will start to set in.


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: SunshineDaydream]
    #19136951 - 11/14/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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SunshineDaydream said:
Quote:

GreyMorph said:
FIRST, to address your worry about mushrooms affecting you. Cannabis gives me MUCH more anxiety than a medium dose of mushrooms. Although mushrooms do give me anxiety as well, it's typically only in certain situations OR on the come up. When I peak it seems to go away. LSD gives me absolutely NO anxiety so don't let cannabis effect your decision, were all different and so are psychoactives, they affect us all differently. Good luck and have fun!







i can relate to this so hard.  i will often tell people that i will get anxiety/panic feelings on weed waaaaaay more often then when tripping.  when i first started smoking, long ago, it never did that to me.  it started to get worse over time.  now my weed tolerance is so low that i can get perfectly ripped off two or three hits...anymore then that and anxiety will start to set in.




LSD is medicine for the soul
Shrooms are medicine for the soul
Salvia is medicine for the soul
Wouldn't touch other drugs than psychedelics
Weed is destruction for the soul

in my experience :wink: , your's may vary a lot :wink:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19133270
if you don't mind reading a bad trip that is 99% like what OP describes..
the reason I don't smoke weed...

weed is hard to moderate with the strong stuff nowadays..
if you're gonna smoke weed, don't smoke the strongest hash/skunk you can find
smoke something that makes you relax/chill and good mood/without too many thoughts, pot or weak but ok quality hash

using less didn't work for me, was still too strong... no matter the amount I used
1 puff would get me stoned sometimes of skunk, or hash - good strong stuff

take 1-2 puffs max, await 10-20mins... see if you feel stoned or not
if you are already stoned, why smoke more?:-)

but no need to smoke weed for me, it messes up my thoughts...

from smoking a few years I do notice that you get out of it what you think
if you think positively and is in good mood beforehand, you get an ok trip from cannabis..
(SET)
and by not going too high in dose you can avoid much paranoia/too many thoughts
(DOSE)

weed is a psychedelic too... don't smoke too much, it can destroy if not respected

it is the abuse that destroys... everyday use
if you used the other psychedelics everyday they would destroy too, but that's not possible
they don't make me crave more very often...

I used to smoke up to 1/8th of skunk/quality hash each day for a few years... wouldn't recommend
it changes you as a person if you do it everyday, but not for the better, because you don't feel like you got any responsibilities - careless
and if not that, then paranoia all the time... even at work , head fog(no memory)
it has been the same for a few people I know... everyday isn't a good idea unless you got much self-discipline

weed is and has always been much harder on my psyche than psychedelics for some reason
no problem taking 3.5-4g mushrooms rarely
or 3-5 hits of LSD
it usually improves my life afterwards, feel happy next days

weed does the opposite of psychedelics for me always
messes up thoughts next day
social anxiety next day
lazy next day / don't get anything done
head feels weird/foggy / can't remember anything
makes me crave more, if I smoke again I got a memory, else I don't remember anything

makes no sense to smoke weed for me so stopped


Edited by lessismore (11/14/13 04:51 PM)


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: lessismore]
    #19137246 - 11/14/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Chuckfinely said:
Ive found that just avoiding a situation that is unpleasant wont make it go away

Its true that not caring about what people think is easier said than done. but Ive been in the exact same shoes youre in. Always shy around people, thinking that theyre judging me for being too quiet, im weird, not cool, if i look alright, etc..

It took me a while to get over it. I would say at least until I was 20. After some time (and a good acid trip or two) I came to the realization that what they think does not matter. What I think matters. They're stuck in their little negative judging world, and will never be happy with themselves. While I on the other hand, get to enjoy anything I want to, without having to cast judgment or worrying about being judged.





Actually I'm not really shy when sober, only a little when I'm around new people. This "social anxiety" only happens to me either when I've  got to speak in front of a crowd or when I'm high around people who are not and who I prefer wouldn't notice.

Quote:

GreyMorph said:
FIRST, to address your worry about mushrooms affecting you. Cannabis gives me MUCH more anxiety than a medium dose of mushrooms. Although mushrooms do give me anxiety as well, it's typically only in certain situations OR on the come up. When I peak it seems to go away. LSD gives me absolutely NO anxiety so don't let cannabis effect your decision, were all different and so are psychoactives, they affect us all differently. Good luck and have fun!

Second, I find that the cannabis high can be VERY helpful or annoying as FUCK. It really just depends. I've found it to be highly stressful but more than not I've found it to be helpful when I'm alone. I only smoke by myself now because of the anxiety. It's nothing to be ashamed about although it is annoying and does suck trying to explain to some folks that you smoke weed and won't smoke with them, I just tell folks that I don't smoke weed but I'm ready to trip any time, haha. I tell em that I'm either on probation or looking for a job. Both true in my case.

See ya, brother!




Yeah, I've heard lots of people saying weed tends to give more anxiety than other psychedelics. I won't know until I try lol. I have been reading about psychedelics for over a year now and I'm really interested in that kind of experience, so I'm sure I'll give it a shot sometime :wink:
Regarding what you said about smoking alone, as I said it's the ideal set for me to avoid the anxiety, but I still love to be high around friends as far as I won't have to think about acting normal, so for now I will continue smoking in this situations:grin:

Quote:

SunshineDaydream said:

LSD is medicine for the soul
Shrooms are medicine for the soul
Salvia is medicine for the soul
Wouldn't touch other drugs than psychedelics
Weed is destruction for the soul

in my experience :wink: , your's may vary a lot :wink:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19133270
if you don't mind reading a bad trip that is 99% like what OP describes..
the reason I don't smoke weed...

weed is hard to moderate with the strong stuff nowadays..
if you're gonna smoke weed, don't smoke the strongest hash/skunk you can find
smoke something that makes you relax/chill and good mood/without too many thoughts, pot or weak but ok quality hash

using less didn't work for me, was still too strong... no matter the amount I used
1 puff would get me stoned sometimes of skunk, or hash - good strong stuff

take 1-2 puffs max, await 10-20mins... see if you feel stoned or not
if you are already stoned, why smoke more?:-)

but no need to smoke weed for me, it messes up my thoughts...

from smoking a few years I do notice that you get out of it what you think
if you think positively and is in good mood beforehand, you get an ok trip from cannabis..
(SET)
and by not going too high in dose you can avoid much paranoia/too many thoughts
(DOSE)

weed is a psychedelic too... don't smoke too much, it can destroy if not respected

it is the abuse that destroys... everyday use
if you used the other psychedelics everyday they would destroy too, but that's not possible
they don't make me crave more very often...

I used to smoke up to 1/8th of skunk/quality hash each day for a few years... wouldn't recommend
it changes you as a person if you do it everyday, but not for the better, because you don't feel like you got any responsibilities - careless
and if not that, then paranoia all the time... even at work , head fog(no memory)
it has been the same for a few people I know... everyday isn't a good idea unless you got much self-discipline

weed is and has always been much harder on my psyche than psychedelics for some reason
no problem taking 3.5-4g mushrooms rarely
or 3-5 hits of LSD
it usually improves my life afterwards, feel happy next days

weed does the opposite of psychedelics for me always
messes up thoughts next day
social anxiety next day
lazy next day / don't get anything done
head feels weird/foggy / can't remember anything
makes me crave more, if I smoke again I got a memory, else I don't remember anything

makes no sense to smoke weed for me so stopped




You're right about the danger of getting into the habit of smoking everyday, that's why I try to do breaks during the week and just smoke during the weekend.
But I think you're just seeing the down side of weed. I'm totally fine the day after smoking, no social anxiety and no paranoia, just a little "foggy" as you said. It also makes daily activities much more interesting and funny for me. Weed has also made me appreciate the little things in life more than I did before, no matter if I'm high or not. So IME weed provides a lot of benefits too.
Thanks though for sharing your experience and giving me advice on how to avoid anxiety :smile:

Thanks to everyone for sharing your point of view and your experiences.
Namasté


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: Psychoneironaut]
    #19137254 - 11/14/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mindfuck is not enjoyable :megacrankey:


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Re: Weed mindfuck negative or useful? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #19137270 - 11/14/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mindfuck is not enjoyable :megacrankey:




I know it's not, but I believe it's potentially useful , even if it's only for learning how to control your mind to get out of it :wink:


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