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Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft.
    #19131891 - 11/13/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Habitat:
Terrestrial. Clustered, growing from common base. Base extremely deep in the ground.

Gills:
Attached, notched. Whitish, discoloring reddish brown.

Stem:
The knife in the picture is 14cm long, so the stipe was probably close to 30cm. The first collection had two visible fruits above ground, with another two aborts below ground. Second group had multiple fruits above ground (I didn't collect). However, yellow staining can be seen on both.

Cap:
See photos

Spore print color:
White.

Bruising:
Not sure about bruising. Definitely stained yellow on stipe, and reddish brown on both stipe and gills.

Other information:
Habitat old grown white fir and Shasta Red Fir.

The only thing I can think of is Xerula.



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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: mountainplayer]
    #19131935 - 11/13/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lepiota sp. ?
I think lepiota often have veil remnants though.

something like that.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19131946 - 11/13/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Im betting Armillaria


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19131956 - 11/13/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lyophyllum sp. perhaps.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Ganzig]
    #19131979 - 11/13/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Im betting Armillaria




The yellow staining stalk, white spores and clustered growth are characteristics that fit with Armillaria, but I just don't think these could be honey's. The bottom edge of the cap was about 3cm above the forest duff, but the base of the stipe was super deep, 25cm or more.

They also seemed a bit more flexible than Armillaria.  I was able to "roll" up the stalk to fit in my ziploc storage container.

While I've been seeing Armillaria everywhere this season, this is at almost 5000 ft and I haven't seen a one up that high this year.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Ganzig]
    #19132136 - 11/13/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Im betting Armillaria



That's what I would have guessed.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19132177 - 11/13/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Looking at this mushroom again (and not from my phone) I'm less inclined to think Lyophyllum.  The scaly/striate stipe for one, does not fit well in that genus.  I hope someone knows what they are.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Lhun]
    #19132193 - 11/13/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The pins remind me of a Gomphidius, but the gill attachment on the mature ones is way off.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19132205 - 11/13/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have an unbelievably bad photo of the top of the caps, that I originally didn't want to post out of embarassment (just got a new camera and tripod, and forgot the damned tripod).

But since you guys are cool enough to help me out, I'll swallow my pride.



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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: mountainplayer]
    #19132218 - 11/13/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have no clue what genera they belong to. :shrug:
Cool find, and good eyes!
Maybe try posting them to mushroomobserver.org if you run out of guess on this site.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #19132264 - 11/13/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have no clue what genera they belong to. :shrug:
Cool find, and good eyes!
Maybe try posting them to mushroomobserver.org if you run out of guess on this site.




I will, Maynard. When I found these, the only thing I could think of was Xerula, due to the spore color and deeply rooted stipe.

The habitat is awesome. Huge, old growth trees. Picked a few matsutake on this hunt.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: mountainplayer]
    #19132285 - 11/13/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Rhodocollybia maculata


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19132313 - 11/13/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmmm. That is interesting. The first line on Kuo's page says


"Formerly known as Collybia maculata, this small to medium-sized mushroom is recognized by its whitish cap, which develops cinnamon spots and stains as it matures;"

I can't seem to find any pictures matching these ones either.

How did you determine that Alan?


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Ganzig]
    #19132323 - 11/13/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The gills are not super mature and do not have spots yet, but the stem is covered in brown stains.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19132337 - 11/13/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Im not convinced. The stem also has yellow stains.

Check out the really young fruits. They are very dark and that does not seem
to be bruising.

Also, the cap would develop the spots from a white cap.

Check it



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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #19132353 - 11/13/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Rhodocollybia maculata




The stipe on my collection is close to 30cm long.  Rhodocollybia maculata, at least according to Mushroom Expert is up to 15cm.

Also, the photo of the younger cluster shows the same yellow staining as on the stipe of the one I collected, but this isn't mentioned in the description for R. maculata.

Are you pretty confident about this one, Alan?


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Ganzig]
    #19132375 - 11/13/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cool!! Undescribed Armillaria!!!!!!!!


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: mountainplayer]
    #19132567 - 11/13/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The cap seems too dark for R. maculata.  The serrated gills do point in that direction though.

Lyophyllum is also possible.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: The chimp]
    #19132571 - 11/13/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going with Armillaria as well.
The stains on the stipe look yellow to me and that is typical for a lot of Armillaria that I find.


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Re: Interesting long stipe at 4800 ft. [Re: Blue-FunGuy]
    #19132770 - 11/13/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You find a lot of neat unusual mushrooms around you mountainplayer.

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