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245willow19

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Humans are not mammals 1
#19131309 - 11/13/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague" - Agent Smith. The Matrix.
Woah, to be perfectly honest, he is actually right. Humans are slowly taking away the existence of rare beautiful creatures, it's depressing. No faith in humanity what-so-ever. This is why Aliens won't talk with us
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: 245willow19] 7
#19131313 - 11/13/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No. A "mammal" is not an abstract concept. It has a clear definition and humans are mammals
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Not *all* humans are like that. There are many indigenous cultures and civilizations out there that live perfectly in harmony with nature, at least until the "1st world" gets involved.
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: kneesocks] 3
#19131321 - 11/13/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Non sequitur.
The qualifying factor for being a mammal is not existing in equilibrium with the environment. If this were the case, spiders would be mammals.
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: mylfgur]
#19131324 - 11/13/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mylfgur said:
The qualifying factor for being a mammal is not existing in equilibrium with the environment. If this were the case, spiders would be mammals.
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: kneesocks]
#19131326 - 11/13/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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THE DAMN AGENTS KNOW IF THEY WERE HONEST FROM THE START IT WOULDNT OF GOTTEN LIKE THIS
great quote though...
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: NWlight]
#19131330 - 11/13/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ofcourse we are mammels, and ofcourse every othe animal or organism (wich you can discuss wether viruses are or aren't) would take advantage of the situation when they could take away the limitations that make other organisms ''live in harmony or balance, or other shitty names, with they're environment''.
it's not a human trait. they said the same about white people. and that negro's or indian's know how to live in harmony. but as soon as those people meet the ''bad'' way of living, they don't care shit about balance or harmony.
ofcourse i think we should care better for our environment and think long term, but the short term thinking is behaviour that any other organism would display when given the opportunity.
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Humans are a Virus. They kill everything. Look at all the animals we've wiped out Woolly mammomoth, black rhino, dodo etc. Anyway Everything goes extinct naturally, but we're the ones making things go extinct unnaturally by destroying their habitats/over hunting and forcing them to die out. We are the only animal that kill for pleasure. But don't worry, we should continue to kill an animal for its horns/fur/bones just for profit so that some utter retard can use it for "medicinal properties" or to wear something that looks fashionable. What the fuck has killing an animal for profit got to do with instincts? Humans revolve around money/power/sex. There's a difference between an animal carrying out its natural behaviours in order to survive, and us who do vile stuff just for the sake of it, or for profit.
And as for the dickheads who decided to start swearing at other people for arguing another point of view, people like you are what happens when brothers and sisters fuck each other. Like · 50 minutes ago
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: 245willow19] 1
#19131344 - 11/13/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Esekon Kelly said: Humans are a Virus. They kill everything. Look at all the animals we've wiped out Woolly mammomoth, black rhino, dodo etc. Anyway Everything goes extinct naturally, but we're the ones making things go extinct unnaturally by destroying their habitats/over hunting and forcing them to die out. We are the only animal that kill for pleasure. But don't worry, we should continue to kill an animal for its horns/fur/bones just for profit so that some utter retard can use it for "medicinal properties" or to wear something that looks fashionable. What the fuck has killing an animal for profit got to do with instincts? Humans revolve around money/power/sex. There's a difference between an animal carrying out its natural behaviours in order to survive, and us who do vile stuff just for the sake of it, or for profit.
And as for the dickheads who decided to start swearing at other people for arguing another point of view, people like you are what happens when brothers and sisters fuck each other. Like · 50 minutes ago
They behave like viruses, that doesn't make them one. Just like a computer is programed to decode information like a human, IT IS NOT A HUMAN. IT CANNOT FEEL. AND FOR THAT, IT WILL NEVER BE HUMAN
Sorry OP I get myself worked up when im forced to think of these things
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power and money are the form in wich we express the natural instincts, it;s not fundamentally different
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: forrest]
#19131359 - 11/13/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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and other animals (apes) sometimes kill for pleasure (or so it seems) . i doubt you studied some ethology or you wouldn;t make such statements
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In what way does a human behave like a virus?
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KremrBigSikter said: In what way does a human behave like a virus?
We insert our dna into host cells and use them to replicate ourselves?
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: mylfgur]
#19131383 - 11/13/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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mylfgur said: Non sequitur.
The qualifying factor for being a mammal is not existing in equilibrium with the environment. If this were the case, spiders would be mammals.
/threadover
Yeah the two things really have nothing to do with each other. If something has mammary glands it's a mammal, the classification has nothing at all with how it behaves. Similarly viruses have a pretty strict biological definition that humans do not remotely fit the criteria for.
Humans are definitely not the only animals that screw with their environments and fuck things up for other organisms either, look at beavers.
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Esekon Kelly said:
We are the only animal that kill for pleasure.
i had dogs break into my chicken coop, they killed all the chickens and didnt eat even one
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EK, you are correct in that the species 'Homo sapiens v. sapiens' is taking over the world and molding the enviroment to its own ends. But not mammals? Do you hate tits and milk?
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: Rockhound]
#19131464 - 11/13/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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EK, you are correct in that the species 'Homo sapiens v. sapiens' is taking over the world and molding the enviroment to its own ends. But not mammals? Do you hate tits and milk?
I wasn't neccesarily saying we aren't mammals, but we certainly act like viruses and in my experience, I have never seen any mammal dig up the earth until the bedrock is exposed to get natural resources or deforest lands or empty rivers and lakes, ugh . Other mammals only use want they need, but we seem to be the only creature that is incredibly possessive in which we collect unneeded things and destroy everything in order to multiply or establish outposts or dwellings, whatever
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I'd have to agree. Clearly we are not literally viruses. But the quote OP posted basically sums up human behavior..
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: Herbologist] 5
#19131531 - 11/13/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The way humans as a collective treat the planet we live on is unsustainable, brutal and horribly ugly, sure, but if another species could multiply, spread, build and consume like we do, they probably would too. I love animals but I don't think they're inherently more in harmony with nature than we are, it's just that most other species are self-limiting. I think it's pretty neat that humanity can look at itself and see all the shit they do for what it is though. That means there's a chance of changing it.
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Aliens won't talk to us because our greatest break through was light up sneakers.
Also, since we are on the subject of humanity, OP, what are your plans to detach yourself from your ancestral disease? I think of this a lot. What are we really going to do to change it? Is there anything people can do? Anything a person can do? Like the Matrix, Neo was the one right? But later on you learn that there is no prophecy, but is there still hope because that thought is there?
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This thought popped into my head yesterday, actually - humans as a virus, as in The Matrix.
I was thinking of it from the perspective of the Earth basically being an organism, perhaps with a kind of consciousness (like that 'Gaia' idea). Whether this is the case or not, if you imagine the Earth as an organism, and as host to all of the life on the planet - in a kind of co-dependent relationship, like the human body 'hosting' bacteria - and you look at the activity and impact of humans.. it's quite clear we're doing a lot of damage to the host (Earth) and other supportive 'bacteria', with the hot-spots/centres of damage being major cities. We're like the tenants from hell and the Earth must want to rid itself of us.
We're a pretty tricky virus though. If the Earth (as an organism) had an immune system, or a system to regulate the life within it, which resembled ours in the way it identified 'harmful' bacteria, we'd be very hard to pick, I think. We have great potential and much of humanity is pretty good and worth keeping around, but much (perhaps most) of humanity is also selfish, greedy and has no regard for its surrounding - and the fact that we have nuclear power makes these people a critical threat. How would the Earth manage a virus like this?
Methods such as natural disasters (tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes etc.) are quite inaccurate, as is temperature regulation (global warming?), but slow us down nonetheless. Viruses which target malevolent humans are probably difficult to code. I think genuine spirituality has the potential to transform us from a harmful virus to a value-adding, health-promoting symbiont - but that's easily corrupted, I suppose. Religion is obviously fail, I would say. Besides our instincts, which don't seem to be cutting it, psychedelics and time spent in nature pretty much seem the best method out there to rectify our status as a virus, IMO.
In reality, it seems we've pretty much taken over our host though and are now in the process of destroying it and emigrating elsewhere. Unless, of course, there's an uprising of Skynet and intelligent machines largely eradicate and displace humanity. Either way, I think machines and digitisation of reality will play a major part in our future. As transhumanists, would we still carry the nature of a virus?
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: KGB Is Go]
#19132020 - 11/13/13 04:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd rather be an intelligent being fucking up my environment until it can no longer sustain my life than to be an unintelligent, respectful creature. - Patlal
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: Patlal]
#19132086 - 11/13/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I'd rather be an intelligent being fucking up my environment until it can no longer sustain my life than to be an unintelligent, respectful creature. - Patlal
Seems a contradiction.
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Esekon Kelly said: We are the only animal that kill for pleasure.
False. The other animal known to kill for pleasure is the polar bear. Polar bears are known to sometimes track their prey for 400+ miles just for the joy of killing it, and then not eat it or anything, just kill it for pleasure then go on its way.
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: 245willow19] 1
#19132162 - 11/13/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Esekon Kelly said: I wasn't neccesarily saying we aren't mammals...
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Esekon Kelly said: Humans are not mammals
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Esekon Kelly said: I wasn't neccesarily saying we aren't mammals...
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: Patlal]
#19132284 - 11/13/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I'd rather be an intelligent being fucking up my environment until it can no longer sustain my life than to be an unintelligent, respectful creature. - Patlal
"Sometimes its better to go out with a bang than with a whimper"- Alan Watts
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Re: Humans are not mammals [Re: 245willow19] 5
#19132311 - 11/13/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: Humans are mammals. Humans have boobs, which are also known as mammary glands. All mammals have mammary glands, that's what they're freakin named mammals for. Post is invalid.
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