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Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain.
    #19130729 - 11/13/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I want legitimate answers and evidence to your opinion.

So is the Obama Administration worse than the Bush Administration? I want legitimate answers.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19131763 - 11/13/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Noam Chomsky: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34385.htm

Personally I think that is preposterous since I was a fan of legislation like the STOCK Act, Dodd-Frank (weak as it was the Volker rule alone represents progress), the CREDIT CARD Act, his reform of student loans, saving the American car companies, keeping wars low profile instead of sending boots on the ground, fighting for higher taxes on the wealthy though that hurts me, creating the consumer protection agency, killing OBL & al-awlaki, lowering my healthcare premiums and deductible, fighting to overturn DOMA, resisting attempts to privatize Medicare and social security, not raising the defense budget as much as the republicans requested, putting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on the books, deficit spending as much as he could to get us out of the recession and the list goes on.

He really pissed in my basket with the NSA thing though. He has been worse than Bush on that front but by an inch at worst.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar] * 2
    #19131882 - 11/13/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Noam Chomsky :lolsy:


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19131889 - 11/13/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Noam Chomsky is saying that Obama is worse than Bush.  Do you not agree with him?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 2
    #19131897 - 11/13/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Noam Chomsky is saying that Obama is worse than Bush.  Do you not agree with him?



I don't give a shit what Noam Chomsky says about anything except linguistics.  I consider him an idiot savant.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19131975 - 11/13/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They all work for the same people. Really a question of style over substance.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19132676 - 11/13/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Noam Chomsky: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34385.htm

Personally I think that is preposterous since I was a fan of legislation like the STOCK Act, Dodd-Frank (weak as it was the Volker rule alone represents progress), the CREDIT CARD Act, his reform of student loans, saving the American car companies, keeping wars low profile instead of sending boots on the ground, fighting for higher taxes on the wealthy though that hurts me, creating the consumer protection agency, killing OBL & al-awlaki, lowering my healthcare premiums and deductible, fighting to overturn DOMA, resisting attempts to privatize Medicare and social security, not raising the defense budget as much as the republicans requested, putting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on the books, deficit spending as much as he could to get us out of the recession and the list goes on.

He really pissed in my basket with the NSA thing though. He has been worse than Bush on that front but by an inch at worst.




Nice I was wondering if someone was going to refer to Noam Chomsky. I admire Noam Chomsky on a intellectual level but tend not to agree with him on some of the Obama stuff. Obama definitely has let some of Bush's policies go on though which is weird because when he ran he was all about talking like he was going to change everything...I guess it was harder than it looked or maybe some businessmen got into his head.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19132713 - 11/13/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't be so sure. Chomsky is a very factual person and that is why I admire him. He reads into many things. He is technically right when he talks about our governments intentions to put a stranglehold on the world... You should read Imperial Ambitions. He talks a lot about how the Government arms places that can't defend themselves and because of the weapons we give people, we use it as a reason to go in and take over the country.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome] * 3
    #19132830 - 11/13/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obviously Obama is better.  After all, who else can change the messaging, blame republicans, make a speech, then hold a couple of fundraisers and have the media all fall to their knees and suck his dick and write stories about how brilliant he is? :smirk:


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19132848 - 11/13/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well Bush was the same way. Bush did some catastrophic shit and fox news never blasted him.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19132887 - 11/13/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

9/11 happened under Bush's watch and the media still sucked his dick.

Enough said.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19132940 - 11/13/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What is more weird is the fact there were intelligence reports saying that a attack like that would happen and when that was announced everyone in the country was like "what's on espn right now?"


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome] * 2
    #19132980 - 11/13/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Everybody knows that Bush and Obama are the same person.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19132985 - 11/13/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Clinton even warned Bush about OBL as he was leaving office. The level of fail is incomprehensible.

People non-ironically shout for impeachment over the complete non- scandal that was Benghazi, but where were these people on 9/11? On their knees praying to the knob.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19133102 - 11/13/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That is my point of view. It is astonishing that no one was up in arms about that.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19133109 - 11/13/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obama is smarter and more articulate then Bush, therefore he is more dangerous.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Smokey420]
    #19133306 - 11/13/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Obviously Obama is better.  After all, who else can change the messaging, blame republicans, make a speech, then hold a couple of fundraisers and have the media all fall to their knees and suck his dick and write stories about how brilliant he is? :smirk:




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Obama is smarter and more articulate then Bush, therefore he is more dangerous.




He is also a constitutional scholar, which taught him how to sidestep the constitution so frequently.  He loves that grey area between between constitutional and unconstitutional.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19136702 - 11/14/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wouldn't be so sure. Chomsky is a very factual person and that is why I admire him. He reads into many things. He is technically right when he talks about our governments intentions to put a stranglehold on the world... You should read Imperial Ambitions. He talks a lot about how the Government arms places that can't defend themselves and because of the weapons we give people, we use it as a reason to go in and take over the country.



He's a commie fucking nutcase who hates capitalism.  You don't hear the retard whining about all the weapons the Russians sell.  A stranglehold on the world?  What fucking nonsense.  He's  just another hyperbolic nitwit the second he steps beyond the boundaries of his expertise which is incredibly limited.  You might as well cite Alec Baldwin on global warming.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19136716 - 11/14/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What is your expertise, zappa?  I mean, if you cry out about these people going outside theirs, why do you feel the need to act like you know everything outside of yours?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19136730 - 11/14/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Clinton even warned Bush about OBL as he was leaving office. The level of fail is incomprehensible.

People non-ironically shout for impeachment over the complete non- scandal that was Benghazi, but where were these people on 9/11? On their knees praying to the knob.



This is persistent stupidity that has been eviscerated over several years here.  Did Clinton tell Bush how they were going to attack and when?  Would you have had Bush shut down all air traffic? 

There were specific security requests made in Beghazi and people made decisions to deny them.  I want to know who made those decisions and what their rationale was.  Aside form the fact that those were probably stupid choices an even more disturbing thing is why isn't anybody answering those simple questions?

As far as I know nobody of any stature has called for impeachment over Benghazi.  Could you please provide a link to such.  Thanks in advance.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19136735 - 11/14/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What is your expertise, zappa?  I mean, if you cry out about these people going outside theirs, why do you feel the need to act like you know everything outside of yours?




Does anybody cite me as an authority?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19136747 - 11/14/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There were specific security requests made in Beghazi and people made decisions to deny them.




You mean, the Ambassador himself?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19136764 - 11/14/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I mean Ambassador Stevens

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50133512n


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Docs show Amb. Stevens asked for more security

October 19, 2012 4:27 PM

Recently obtained memos show Ambassador Chris Stevens asked the State Department repeatedly for more security in Libya before he was killed in the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. Sharyl Attkisson reports.




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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19136772 - 11/14/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Was that part of the CBS fiasco where they recently came out and said that they were full of shit?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19136928 - 11/14/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nope.  Nothing to do with it.  If there is a document there is a document


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19136994 - 11/14/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Selectively leaked documents by Darrell Issa?  One of the biggest pieces of shit in Washington?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19137011 - 11/14/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A document is a document is a document.  Leaked?  Do you even know what the word means?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19137770 - 11/14/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Q:  What do you get when you cross the incompetence of Jimmy Carter with the criminality of Richard Nixon and the sleaziness of Bill Clinton?

A:  Barrack Hussein Obama--mmmm...mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm!


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19140176 - 11/15/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obama is worse by a country mile. Ordering a drone strike on Ahmad al Zarqawi, u.s. Citizen turned radical Islamic supporter, denied due process by a drone strike. Real asshole move. But I guess rules are rules only when they apply to every body else.

the irony, black constitutional scholar community organizer denied a citizen,albeit dirtbag, his right to a trial by jury.

for the record that also makes Scott brown an asshole for proposing a bill that would strip citzens turned enemy of the state of their constitutional rights.

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    #19140189 - 11/15/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It was al-awlaki.

If you know anything about him you'd know he had it coming. Not like they didn't try to have him arrested and extradited before pursuing more extreme measures. What would you have done, let him keep recruiting terrorists at a breakneck pace? Al-awlaki was almost on the sayyid qutb level of dangerous.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19140230 - 11/15/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you know anything about him you'd know he had it coming. Not like they didn't try to have him arrested and extradited before pursuing more extreme measures. What would you have done, let him keep recruiting terrorists at a breakneck pace? Al-awlaki was almost on the sayyid qutb level of dangerous.



Agreed on all points. Obama is the most disastrous president in the history of the United States, but every now and then he gets something right -- or at least he doesn't over-ride a correct decision made by one of his flunkies. This is a prime example of one of those times.

Al-awlaki needed killing, the sooner the better. It would have been better to capture him and interrogate him, but that was never going to happen, so the best option was to snuff him. Obama made the right call on that one.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19140272 - 11/15/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you know anything about him you'd know he had it coming. Not like they didn't try to have him arrested and extradited before pursuing more extreme measures. What would you have done, let him keep recruiting terrorists at a breakneck pace? Al-awlaki was almost on the sayyid qutb level of dangerous.




I agree to some extent. One could make the case for why Al-awlaki was tarteted and killed. But please tell me what gives Obama the right or authority to kill his 16 year old son two weeks after anwar was killed. This kid did NOTHING wrong, as a matter of fact Obama acted as judge, jury, and executioner on his own.  His justification for killing an innocent American born underaged civilian charged with no crime whatsoever was that the kid "should of had a more responsible father" WTF?

So now the child is guilty, and illegally put to death for the sins of his father? The asshole commander in chief has shown a blatant disregard for Americans constitutional rights, and kills those whom he disagrees with. Try that as an infantryman. Go kill some innocent Afghani civilians and spend the rest of your life in prison, do at as negro in chief and watch how the media sucks you off. Absolutely amazing.

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"I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children.
I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business," Gibbs, the former White House press secretary, told the interviewer from We Are Change, when asked to justify "an American citizen that is being targeted without due process, without trial -- and, he's underage, he's a minor."

Gibbs had initially attempted to wave off a question about the boy. "I'm not going to get into Anwar al-Awlaki's son. I know that Anwar al-Awlaki renounced his citizenship, did great harm to people in this country." Anwar Al-Awlaki, born and educated in the U.S., was a senior al Qaeda recruiter and propagandist, American authorities have said.

But the reporter pressed him, noting that the teen had not renounced his citizenship and was underage. The Atlantic suggests that if Gibbs is giving the genuine rationale for the killing, it's grounds for impeachment.

"Again, note that this kid wasn't killed in the same drone strike as his father," writes The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf. "He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere, and by the time he was killed, his father had already been dead for two weeks. Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists. Killing an American citizen without due process on that logic ought to be grounds for impeachment."

Friedersdorf also notes the distinction that al-Awlaki's son was not killed as a consequence of the strike against the father, but was hit separately. Esquire's Tom Junod covered the son's killing:


    He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.

Gibbs' comments were released the same day The Washington Post published an expose on the White House's growing database of people it believes it has the authority to kill without trial.

The American Civil Liberties Union warned Wednesday in a response that the policy of "bureaucratized paramilitary killing" is illegal and will backfire.

"Anyone who thought U.S. targeted killing outside of armed conflict was a narrow, emergency-based exception to the requirement of due process before a death sentence is being proven conclusively wrong," said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, in a statement. "The danger of dispensing with due process is obvious because without it, we cannot be assured that the people in the government's death database truly present a concrete, imminent threat to the country. What we do know is that tragic mistakes have been made, hundreds of civilian bystanders have died, and our government has even killed a 16-year-old U.S. citizen without acknowledging, let alone explaining his death. A bureaucratized paramilitary killing program that targets people far from any battlefield is not just unlawful, it will create more enemies than it kills."

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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Therian]
    #19140275 - 11/15/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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what gives Obama the right or authority to kill his 16 year old son two weeks after anwar was killed.




Well, first of all, his son wasn't targeted.  His son was hanging out with other al-Qaeda operatives who were targeted, and he ended up getting killed in the strike.

Note to "innocent people:" stop hanging out with terrorists.

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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19140337 - 11/15/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It was al-awlaki.

If you know anything about him you'd know he had it coming. Not like they didn't try to have him arrested and extradited before pursuing more extreme measures. What would you have done, let him keep recruiting terrorists at a breakneck pace? Al-awlaki was almost on the sayyid qutb level of dangerous.




yes, thank you I knew I botched that name. Yes he did have it coming but he was still a u.s. Citizen. The way I see it if you can send seal team 6 to kill bin laden at the same time violating Pakistani sovereignty than you can easily have sent them to snatch or kill if necessary al awaki. If your going all out for usama you could have done awaki with half the effort.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19140364 - 11/15/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes he was targeted. Funny how later Obama tried to explain that they were going after a terrorist "propagandist"/ reporter. Absolute bullshit.

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Note to "innocent people:" stop hanging out with terrorists.




Once again you are an absolute genius. I believe Bill Ayers was considered to be a domestic terrorist, bombing several sites in America, yet he is Obamas buddy. By your rationale we should kill Obama for hanging out with one. Its different if you are asshole in chief though, rules don't apply.

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About two weeks later, his son, Abdulrahman, was—had left home in Sana’a, in the capital of Yemen, 16 years old, basically to find his father. And he had learned that his father had been killed, but had not returned home, was sitting at a sort of an outdoor restaurant, a rustic kind of eatery, and a drone strike, an American drone, hit him and the people he was with, killed somewhere around a dozen people, including this 16-year old against whom there was no evidence that he had joined al-Qaeda or plotted violence or had done anything else to—you know, to warrant killing. American officials have portrayed that as a mistake, said they were looking for a or trying to hit an Egyptian terrorist named al-Banna, who apparently was not at that scene. But that—but because the entire episode—the death of the father, Anwar al-Awlaki, and the son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki—all of that is cloaked in this sort of semi-secrecy that was reflected in Obama’s remarks that you played for us, so it’s very hard to get to the bottom of, you know, exactly what happened in particular with the death of this 16-year-old American.




http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/11/anwar_al_awlaki_nyt_details_how


Funny as hell how at first Obama attempts to unapologetically state that too fucking bad an American born minor was target and killed without due process because his "father was irresponsible". Then when the backlash started they then gave some bullshit excuse about how they were "looking for someone else", who of course wasn't there. This kid never planted any bombs, or attempted to blow up any police stations, or kill any Americans. But Obamas buddy Ayers did, but once again the rules and the constitution don't apply...if Obama does not want them to.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Therian]
    #19140419 - 11/15/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"rules are only rules when they apply to every one else" martin crane, Frasier

"yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in hell!" Carl Lee Haley, a time to kill

should I bring up Benghazi,or let the al awaki posts ride out?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: myc_check1212]
    #19140760 - 11/15/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, Obama is worse.

1) Obamacare.
2) He's killed more people.

That being said, W was fucking horrible.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19140817 - 11/15/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes he was targeted.




No he wasn't, Ibrahim al-Bana was.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19142328 - 11/15/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obama supposedly bragged about being 'really good at killing people' and the administration didn't dispute the fact.... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/4/obama-brag-new-book-im-really-good-killing-drones/

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    #19142418 - 11/15/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He has killed more people? Death toll in Iraq according to the two peer reviewed studies is between 150k and 600k as of 2007 (Iraq Casualty Project, The lancet). Please tell me more about Obama's death toll though.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19142608 - 11/15/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

who said he killed more?  DO you fucking know how to read?


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    #19142891 - 11/15/13 09:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Maxwellsmart did. Might want to check in on you own reading skills :wink:


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19142946 - 11/15/13 09:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Both are as bad, bush was overtly evil, and didn't try to hide it. Obama is insidiously evil like hitler, but without the brains hitler had. Both are puppets of some shadow government...:thumbdown:

What i'd give to see both of them do a nice deep hit or two of pure DMT...


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #19142976 - 11/15/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Both are as bad, bush was overtly evil, and didn't try to hide it. Obama is insidiously evil like hitler, but without the brains hitler had. Both are puppets of some shadow government...:thumbdown:

What i'd give to see both of them do a nice deep hit or two of pure DMT...





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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19142981 - 11/15/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Maxwellsmart did. Might want to check in on you own reading skills :wink:





but you replied to me for Smart's post.  My post was merely about Obama kind of bragged about being good at killing and the irony of it contrasted with his Nobel peace prize. 

You haven't been posting here long, so I will point out that replying to one person when you were actually replying to another is kind of frowned upon because it creates confusion and misunderstanding about who is being addressed.  Everyone does it some at first so no big deal.


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    #19143030 - 11/15/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Maxwellsmart did. Might want to check in on you own reading skills :wink:





but you replied to me for Smart's post.  My post was merely about Obama kind of bragged about being good at killing and the irony of it contrasted with his Nobel peace prize. 

You haven't been posting here long, so I will point out that replying to one person when you were actually replying to another is kind of frowned upon because it creates confusion and misunderstanding about who is being addressed.  Everyone does it some at first so no big deal.




Man you and zappa are on this "reply to" shit recently.  Who gives a fuck who the "reply to" is to?  if you know someone is talking to you, respond, stop trying to act all holier than thou on people because they don't format their reply correctly.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19143252 - 11/15/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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starfire_xes said:
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Maxwellsmart did. Might want to check in on you own reading skills :wink:





but you replied to me for Smart's post.  My post was merely about Obama kind of bragged about being good at killing and the irony of it contrasted with his Nobel peace prize. 

You haven't been posting here long, so I will point out that replying to one person when you were actually replying to another is kind of frowned upon because it creates confusion and misunderstanding about who is being addressed.  Everyone does it some at first so no big deal.




Man you and zappa are on this "reply to" shit recently.  Who gives a fuck who the "reply to" is to?  if you know someone is talking to you, respond, stop trying to act all holier than thou on people because they don't format their reply correctly.





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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19143334 - 11/15/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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No he wasn't, Ibrahim al-Bana was.




Bullshit, after it happened they never denied his son was targeted, and as a matter of fact blamed it on his dead father for being irresponsible. Not until Obama discovered that Americans outside of the hillbillies, as well as the guns and religion types actually give a shit about the constitution did they actually backpedal.

Problem being the son, Abdulrahman was never around the "target" never fraternized with the "target", he never threatened the US, never renounced his citizenship, never committed a single act of violence against an American or otherwise, and he never "hung out" with terrorists. He was eating with many of his teenage friends when they were all killed.

As an infantryman in Iraq I can absolutely guarantee you if a group of American soldiers pulled up to this group of teens and opened fire, they would be in prison for life. But..if you are a chicken shit negro in an ivory tower, surrounded by hundreds of heavily armed guards, you can personally give the go ahead to kill innocent American citizens with impunity and without consequences. Oops, so sorry, I killed the wrong guys. Try that shit as an enlisted soldier and see what happens. Once again the rules don't apply.

Also by doing this he puts the American soldier in imminent danger. When it comes to retribution for Obamas "targeted" killings whom do you think is shot at? It aint the guy that claims he is so good at killing, while hiding within his fortress.

Make no mistake Obama and his targeted killings have killed more children than John Wayne Gacey, Tim McVeigh, the Columbine shooters, and Jeffery Dahmer COMBINED.


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Note to "innocent people:" stop hanging out with terrorists.

Pretty simple, eh?





It's rather self evident why you failed most of your college classes. Do you realize that many of the children killed by Obama live in freaking mud brick houses in unnamed villages. Yes, you are correct all those 2,3 and 4 year old children should've stopped "hanging out" with terrorists in their villages, packed up their diapers and bottles and got the fuck out. But since they didn't it is their fault, and our foot soldiers will bear the responsibility for our presidents self appointed god like powers to rain down death to those that disagree with him, fuck due process, fuck the law, fuck the constitution, because Obama says so.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Therian]
    #19143348 - 11/15/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Be cool, man.  You are showing disrespect for a 'Nobel Peace Prize Winner' there....


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19143394 - 11/15/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Therian I don't read your posts because they're nothing but conspiracy and lunacy.  Sorry.


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    #19144435 - 11/16/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Therian would be a lot more convincing with sources. What he is writing contradicts everything I have read.


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    #19144983 - 11/16/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes I wish Zappa would just shut his fucking mouth for once because all he is does is spout some bullshit where he can't help but criticize literally every word you say while intentionally insulting you.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Veil of Maya]
    #19145165 - 11/16/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So you feel that his spouting "bullshit" justifies your bullshit post?

Huh.

The butthurt is strong in you.

Perhaps if you feel his posts are bullshit a better approach than whining would be to try and refute his posts in the manner you'd like him to refute yours.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Veil of Maya]
    #19145256 - 11/16/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sometimes I wish Zappa would just shut his fucking mouth for once because all he is does is spout some bullshit where he can't help but criticize literally every word you say while intentionally insulting you.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19145753 - 11/16/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Neither president is perfect.

I think Bush fails most for several reasons.

First and foremost, he claimed to be Conservative, but he expanded government, led us into two wars, one on false pretenses, without any plan to pay for them. He authorized the use of "advanced interrogation techniques". He told his buddy he was doing a "Heckuva job" while a major city drowned. He squandered our surplus, got us into debt, was in charge during the 2007 financial collapse and left office with a lower approval rating than Nixon. President is partly a popularity contest, Bush failed big time. Bust took military credibility and fiscal responsibility out of Republican's pockets and handed them to the Dems.

Most of the things people dislike about Obama have to do with him doing things like a Democrat. Spoiler alert, he is a Democrat. It wan't until the ACA's bumpy start that his approval dipped real low (low 40's still kick Bush's ass). 3 more years for Obama to fuck things up. It is a little unfair to compare 5 years to 8.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19145761 - 11/16/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well Bush was the same way. Bush did some catastrophic shit and fox news never blasted him.




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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19145912 - 11/16/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Therian is right. What conspiracy theories?


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Well Bush was the same way. Bush did some catastrophic shit and fox news never blasted him.




It's fox dude.



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    #19145952 - 11/16/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

On second thought, I am not going to say Obama is worse. I know people will give me shit if I say too much about why, so I won't elaborate.

My reason is 9/11.

All U.S. presidents are shitheads because they all head the largest criminal organization in the world.


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    #19146631 - 11/16/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Say whatever you want,just have a solid well thought argument.

for example, the largest criminal organization in the world is the thin blue line, not the executive branch


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    #19148684 - 11/17/13 07:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Police answer to those higher than them. They don't make the rules, they take orders. Sometimes they go beyond what is ordered but that is normal for foot soldiers.


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    #19150769 - 11/17/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

First off who the hell is Barry Obama, I mean Hussien Soetoro, I mean Barack, Who the hell is this guy? and why the HELL are they building statues of him in Indonesia, claiming he is the first Indonesian president, I mean here watch this footage from CNN, then ask yourself who the fuck is Barry Soetoro? Please watch it for yourself.
CNN: Barry Soetoro Statue erected in Indonesia


Now watch this little clip of Henry Kissinger aka his handler on MSNBC talking about what Barry Soetoro's goal's as president are.


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    #19150994 - 11/17/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sometimes I wish Zappa would just shut his fucking mouth for once because all he is does is spout some bullshit where he can't help but criticize literally every word you say while intentionally insulting you.
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First off who the hell is Barry Obama, I mean Hussien Soetoro, I mean Barack, Who the hell is this guy? and why the HELL are they building statues of him in Indonesia, claiming he is the first Indonesian president, I mean here watch this footage from CNN, then ask yourself who the fuck is Barry Soetoro? Please watch it for yourself.
CNN: Barry Soetoro Statue erected in Indonesia


Now watch this little clip of Henry Kissinger aka his handler on MSNBC talking about what Barry Soetoro's goal's as president are.





GTFO

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Quote:

Kiya_Star427 said:
First off who the hell is Barry Obama, I mean Hussien Soetoro, I mean Barack, Who the hell is this guy? and why the HELL are they building statues of him in Indonesia, claiming he is the first Indonesian president, I mean here watch this footage from CNN, then ask yourself who the fuck is Barry Soetoro? Please watch it for yourself.
CNN: Barry Soetoro Statue erected in Indonesia


Now watch this little clip of Henry Kissinger aka his handler on MSNBC talking about what Barry Soetoro's goal's as president are.





GTFO

Seriously.



:lolsy:

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    #19152973 - 11/18/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

^ how could you call him incompetent? Obama is the best liar we've had in the white house since Clinton, Incompetence is "I'm not a CROOK" Nixon, he can see how bad he was at lying up and covering up information. Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro has been groomed for this job under the supervision of those like Henry Kissinger/Soro's under the CIA.

What even is a president? A president is the talking head of the corporation we know as America.

His job as president, is to advertise us things like wars, which is very apparent and isn't a conspiracy. What else does he advertise to us Healthcare, Global Warming and the Green Agenda/Carbon Tax, politicians...


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    #19166689 - 11/20/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

George Bush might be the worst president this nation has ever had.  Even Obama will have one hell of a time trying to oust GWB as King Fuckhead

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    #19166831 - 11/20/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Amazingly most of the shit that is ascribed to Bush coincides with the Dem takeover of the House and Senate.


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Amazingly most of the shit that is ascribed to Bush coincides with the Dem takeover of the House and Senate.




Which was signed into law by George W. Bush.

There was no veto-proof majority.  The executive signs the laws and implements them.  In a lame duck term, Bush could have vetoed whatever the fuck he wanted without a care in the world.

But, that obviously didn't happen.

King Fuckhead, undoubtedly.  George W. Bush currently holds that title, for now, and possibly forever.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19166925 - 11/20/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Amazingly most of the shit that is ascribed to Bush coincides with the Dem takeover of the House and Senate.




Which was signed into law by George W. Bush.

There was no veto-proof majority.  The executive signs the laws and implements them.  In a lame duck term, Bush could have vetoed whatever the fuck he wanted without a care in the world.

But, that obviously didn't happen.

King Fuckhead, undoubtedly.  George W. Bush currently holds that title, for now, and possibly forever.





Yea except that 3 million people less now are working than when Obama took the helm.  :smug: :smirk:


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19166988 - 11/20/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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zappaisgod said:
Amazingly most of the shit that is ascribed to Bush coincides with the Dem takeover of the House and Senate.




Which was signed into law by George W. Bush.

There was no veto-proof majority.  The executive signs the laws and implements them.  In a lame duck term, Bush could have vetoed whatever the fuck he wanted without a care in the world.

But, that obviously didn't happen.

King Fuckhead, undoubtedly.  George W. Bush currently holds that title, for now, and possibly forever.


Bush was no conservative, but you can't blame him for the Congress he dealt with at the end.  Are you complaining that Bush was too liberal?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19167014 - 11/20/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Bush could have vetoed whatever he wanted.  He didn't.  That's on Bush, not "congress."


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19167082 - 11/20/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Bush could have vetoed whatever he wanted.  He didn't.  That's on Bush, not "congress."



its on both. Congress passed it Bush signed it.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19168761 - 11/21/13 06:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Bush could have vetoed whatever he wanted.  He didn't.  That's on Bush, not "congress."



That's a significant oversimplification, though.  A president has a "sign or veto" choice...that's it.  He/she can't pick and choose the parts of the bill that he/she wants to sign.  Congress has known this for a long time, so they bundle bills in a way to force a president to sign off on things he/she doesn't want in order to get the things he/she needs done.

Congress as a whole is far more powerful than the president.  The President may be the most powerful person in our government, but he/she isn't more powerful than all of Congress.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19168789 - 11/21/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Congress has known this for a long time, so they bundle bills in a way to force a president to sign off on things he/she doesn't want in order to get the things he/she needs done.




Which is why we need (as a beginning):

H.R. 2113: One Subject at a Time Act

And which is why we won't get it.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19175076 - 11/22/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Excellent link, I read it as best I could before it became legal mumbo jumbo. Why do they print everything in legalese and not English? Dare I say to keep the lay man out of his own business?

I yearn for the old days, when a pro-p0l crossed the people he represented the town sent him off tarred,feathered and on a rail. If I learned anything, an ass whoppin is very good incentive/correction.

when applied correctly of course


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