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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19136735 - 11/14/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: What is your expertise, zappa? I mean, if you cry out about these people going outside theirs, why do you feel the need to act like you know everything outside of yours?
Does anybody cite me as an authority?
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19136747 - 11/14/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There were specific security requests made in Beghazi and people made decisions to deny them.
You mean, the Ambassador himself?
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19136764 - 11/14/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, I mean Ambassador Stevens
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50133512n
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Docs show Amb. Stevens asked for more security
October 19, 2012 4:27 PM
Recently obtained memos show Ambassador Chris Stevens asked the State Department repeatedly for more security in Libya before he was killed in the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi. Sharyl Attkisson reports.
Documents.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19136772 - 11/14/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Was that part of the CBS fiasco where they recently came out and said that they were full of shit?
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19136928 - 11/14/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. Nothing to do with it. If there is a document there is a document
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19136994 - 11/14/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Selectively leaked documents by Darrell Issa? One of the biggest pieces of shit in Washington?
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19137011 - 11/14/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A document is a document is a document. Leaked? Do you even know what the word means?
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
#19137770 - 11/14/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Q: What do you get when you cross the incompetence of Jimmy Carter with the criminality of Richard Nixon and the sleaziness of Bill Clinton?
A: Barrack Hussein Obama--mmmm...mmmmmm.....mmmmmmm!
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19140176 - 11/15/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obama is worse by a country mile. Ordering a drone strike on Ahmad al Zarqawi, u.s. Citizen turned radical Islamic supporter, denied due process by a drone strike. Real asshole move. But I guess rules are rules only when they apply to every body else.
the irony, black constitutional scholar community organizer denied a citizen,albeit dirtbag, his right to a trial by jury.
for the record that also makes Scott brown an asshole for proposing a bill that would strip citzens turned enemy of the state of their constitutional rights.
post, fair and balanced
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: myc_check1212]
#19140189 - 11/15/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It was al-awlaki.
If you know anything about him you'd know he had it coming. Not like they didn't try to have him arrested and extradited before pursuing more extreme measures. What would you have done, let him keep recruiting terrorists at a breakneck pace? Al-awlaki was almost on the sayyid qutb level of dangerous.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
#19140230 - 11/15/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you know anything about him you'd know he had it coming. Not like they didn't try to have him arrested and extradited before pursuing more extreme measures. What would you have done, let him keep recruiting terrorists at a breakneck pace? Al-awlaki was almost on the sayyid qutb level of dangerous.
Agreed on all points. Obama is the most disastrous president in the history of the United States, but every now and then he gets something right -- or at least he doesn't over-ride a correct decision made by one of his flunkies. This is a prime example of one of those times.
Al-awlaki needed killing, the sooner the better. It would have been better to capture him and interrogate him, but that was never going to happen, so the best option was to snuff him. Obama made the right call on that one.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
#19140272 - 11/15/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you know anything about him you'd know he had it coming. Not like they didn't try to have him arrested and extradited before pursuing more extreme measures. What would you have done, let him keep recruiting terrorists at a breakneck pace? Al-awlaki was almost on the sayyid qutb level of dangerous.
I agree to some extent. One could make the case for why Al-awlaki was tarteted and killed. But please tell me what gives Obama the right or authority to kill his 16 year old son two weeks after anwar was killed. This kid did NOTHING wrong, as a matter of fact Obama acted as judge, jury, and executioner on his own. His justification for killing an innocent American born underaged civilian charged with no crime whatsoever was that the kid "should of had a more responsible father" WTF?
So now the child is guilty, and illegally put to death for the sins of his father? The asshole commander in chief has shown a blatant disregard for Americans constitutional rights, and kills those whom he disagrees with. Try that as an infantryman. Go kill some innocent Afghani civilians and spend the rest of your life in prison, do at as negro in chief and watch how the media sucks you off. Absolutely amazing.
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"I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children. I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business," Gibbs, the former White House press secretary, told the interviewer from We Are Change, when asked to justify "an American citizen that is being targeted without due process, without trial -- and, he's underage, he's a minor."
Gibbs had initially attempted to wave off a question about the boy. "I'm not going to get into Anwar al-Awlaki's son. I know that Anwar al-Awlaki renounced his citizenship, did great harm to people in this country." Anwar Al-Awlaki, born and educated in the U.S., was a senior al Qaeda recruiter and propagandist, American authorities have said.
But the reporter pressed him, noting that the teen had not renounced his citizenship and was underage. The Atlantic suggests that if Gibbs is giving the genuine rationale for the killing, it's grounds for impeachment.
"Again, note that this kid wasn't killed in the same drone strike as his father," writes The Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf. "He was hit by a drone strike elsewhere, and by the time he was killed, his father had already been dead for two weeks. Gibbs nevertheless defends the strike, not by arguing that the kid was a threat, or that killing him was an accident, but by saying that his late father irresponsibly joined al Qaeda terrorists. Killing an American citizen without due process on that logic ought to be grounds for impeachment."
Friedersdorf also notes the distinction that al-Awlaki's son was not killed as a consequence of the strike against the father, but was hit separately. Esquire's Tom Junod covered the son's killing:
He was a boy who hadn't seen his father in two years, since his father had gone into hiding. He was a boy who knew his father was on an American kill list and who snuck out of his family's home in the early morning hours of September 4, 2011, to try to find him. He was a boy who was still searching for his father when his father was killed, and who, on the night he himself was killed, was saying goodbye to the second cousin with whom he'd lived while on his search, and the friends he'd made. He was a boy among boys, then; a boy among boys eating dinner by an open fire along the side of a road when an American drone came out of the sky and fired the missiles that killed them all.
Gibbs' comments were released the same day The Washington Post published an expose on the White House's growing database of people it believes it has the authority to kill without trial.
The American Civil Liberties Union warned Wednesday in a response that the policy of "bureaucratized paramilitary killing" is illegal and will backfire.
"Anyone who thought U.S. targeted killing outside of armed conflict was a narrow, emergency-based exception to the requirement of due process before a death sentence is being proven conclusively wrong," said Hina Shamsi, director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s National Security Project, in a statement. "The danger of dispensing with due process is obvious because without it, we cannot be assured that the people in the government's death database truly present a concrete, imminent threat to the country. What we do know is that tragic mistakes have been made, hundreds of civilian bystanders have died, and our government has even killed a 16-year-old U.S. citizen without acknowledging, let alone explaining his death. A bureaucratized paramilitary killing program that targets people far from any battlefield is not just unlawful, it will create more enemies than it kills."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/robert-gibbs-anwar-al-awlaki_n_2012438.html
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Therian]
#19140275 - 11/15/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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what gives Obama the right or authority to kill his 16 year old son two weeks after anwar was killed.
Well, first of all, his son wasn't targeted. His son was hanging out with other al-Qaeda operatives who were targeted, and he ended up getting killed in the strike.
Note to "innocent people:" stop hanging out with terrorists.
Pretty simple, eh?
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
#19140337 - 11/15/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sytar said: It was al-awlaki.
If you know anything about him you'd know he had it coming. Not like they didn't try to have him arrested and extradited before pursuing more extreme measures. What would you have done, let him keep recruiting terrorists at a breakneck pace? Al-awlaki was almost on the sayyid qutb level of dangerous.
yes, thank you I knew I botched that name. Yes he did have it coming but he was still a u.s. Citizen. The way I see it if you can send seal team 6 to kill bin laden at the same time violating Pakistani sovereignty than you can easily have sent them to snatch or kill if necessary al awaki. If your going all out for usama you could have done awaki with half the effort.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19140364 - 11/15/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes he was targeted. Funny how later Obama tried to explain that they were going after a terrorist "propagandist"/ reporter. Absolute bullshit.
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Note to "innocent people:" stop hanging out with terrorists.
Once again you are an absolute genius. I believe Bill Ayers was considered to be a domestic terrorist, bombing several sites in America, yet he is Obamas buddy. By your rationale we should kill Obama for hanging out with one. Its different if you are asshole in chief though, rules don't apply.
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About two weeks later, his son, Abdulrahman, was—had left home in Sana’a, in the capital of Yemen, 16 years old, basically to find his father. And he had learned that his father had been killed, but had not returned home, was sitting at a sort of an outdoor restaurant, a rustic kind of eatery, and a drone strike, an American drone, hit him and the people he was with, killed somewhere around a dozen people, including this 16-year old against whom there was no evidence that he had joined al-Qaeda or plotted violence or had done anything else to—you know, to warrant killing. American officials have portrayed that as a mistake, said they were looking for a or trying to hit an Egyptian terrorist named al-Banna, who apparently was not at that scene. But that—but because the entire episode—the death of the father, Anwar al-Awlaki, and the son, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki—all of that is cloaked in this sort of semi-secrecy that was reflected in Obama’s remarks that you played for us, so it’s very hard to get to the bottom of, you know, exactly what happened in particular with the death of this 16-year-old American.
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/3/11/anwar_al_awlaki_nyt_details_how
Funny as hell how at first Obama attempts to unapologetically state that too fucking bad an American born minor was target and killed without due process because his "father was irresponsible". Then when the backlash started they then gave some bullshit excuse about how they were "looking for someone else", who of course wasn't there. This kid never planted any bombs, or attempted to blow up any police stations, or kill any Americans. But Obamas buddy Ayers did, but once again the rules and the constitution don't apply...if Obama does not want them to.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Therian]
#19140419 - 11/15/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"rules are only rules when they apply to every one else" martin crane, Frasier
"yes they deserved to die and I hope they burn in hell!" Carl Lee Haley, a time to kill
should I bring up Benghazi,or let the al awaki posts ride out?
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: myc_check1212]
#19140760 - 11/15/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes, Obama is worse.
1) Obamacare. 2) He's killed more people.
That being said, W was fucking horrible.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: MaxwellSmart]
#19140817 - 11/15/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes he was targeted.
No he wasn't, Ibrahim al-Bana was.
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19142328 - 11/15/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Obama supposedly bragged about being 'really good at killing people' and the administration didn't dispute the fact.... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/4/obama-brag-new-book-im-really-good-killing-drones/
but what can we expect from someone who got the 'Nobel Peace Prize'
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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: starfire_xes]
#19142418 - 11/15/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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He has killed more people? Death toll in Iraq according to the two peer reviewed studies is between 150k and 600k as of 2007 (Iraq Casualty Project, The lancet). Please tell me more about Obama's death toll though.
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