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Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain.
    #19130729 - 11/13/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I want legitimate answers and evidence to your opinion.

So is the Obama Administration worse than the Bush Administration? I want legitimate answers.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19131763 - 11/13/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Noam Chomsky: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34385.htm

Personally I think that is preposterous since I was a fan of legislation like the STOCK Act, Dodd-Frank (weak as it was the Volker rule alone represents progress), the CREDIT CARD Act, his reform of student loans, saving the American car companies, keeping wars low profile instead of sending boots on the ground, fighting for higher taxes on the wealthy though that hurts me, creating the consumer protection agency, killing OBL & al-awlaki, lowering my healthcare premiums and deductible, fighting to overturn DOMA, resisting attempts to privatize Medicare and social security, not raising the defense budget as much as the republicans requested, putting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on the books, deficit spending as much as he could to get us out of the recession and the list goes on.

He really pissed in my basket with the NSA thing though. He has been worse than Bush on that front but by an inch at worst.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar] * 2
    #19131882 - 11/13/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Noam Chomsky :lolsy:


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19131889 - 11/13/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Noam Chomsky is saying that Obama is worse than Bush.  Do you not agree with him?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Mush4Brains] * 2
    #19131897 - 11/13/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
Noam Chomsky is saying that Obama is worse than Bush.  Do you not agree with him?



I don't give a shit what Noam Chomsky says about anything except linguistics.  I consider him an idiot savant.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19131975 - 11/13/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

They all work for the same people. Really a question of style over substance.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19132676 - 11/13/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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sytar said:
Noam Chomsky: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34385.htm

Personally I think that is preposterous since I was a fan of legislation like the STOCK Act, Dodd-Frank (weak as it was the Volker rule alone represents progress), the CREDIT CARD Act, his reform of student loans, saving the American car companies, keeping wars low profile instead of sending boots on the ground, fighting for higher taxes on the wealthy though that hurts me, creating the consumer protection agency, killing OBL & al-awlaki, lowering my healthcare premiums and deductible, fighting to overturn DOMA, resisting attempts to privatize Medicare and social security, not raising the defense budget as much as the republicans requested, putting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars on the books, deficit spending as much as he could to get us out of the recession and the list goes on.

He really pissed in my basket with the NSA thing though. He has been worse than Bush on that front but by an inch at worst.




Nice I was wondering if someone was going to refer to Noam Chomsky. I admire Noam Chomsky on a intellectual level but tend not to agree with him on some of the Obama stuff. Obama definitely has let some of Bush's policies go on though which is weird because when he ran he was all about talking like he was going to change everything...I guess it was harder than it looked or maybe some businessmen got into his head.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19132713 - 11/13/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't be so sure. Chomsky is a very factual person and that is why I admire him. He reads into many things. He is technically right when he talks about our governments intentions to put a stranglehold on the world... You should read Imperial Ambitions. He talks a lot about how the Government arms places that can't defend themselves and because of the weapons we give people, we use it as a reason to go in and take over the country.


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"Psychedelic drugs don't change you - they don't change your character - unless you want to be changed. They enable change; they can't impose it...” - Sasha Shulgin


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome] * 3
    #19132830 - 11/13/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obviously Obama is better.  After all, who else can change the messaging, blame republicans, make a speech, then hold a couple of fundraisers and have the media all fall to their knees and suck his dick and write stories about how brilliant he is? :smirk:


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19132848 - 11/13/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well Bush was the same way. Bush did some catastrophic shit and fox news never blasted him.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19132887 - 11/13/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

9/11 happened under Bush's watch and the media still sucked his dick.

Enough said.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19132940 - 11/13/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What is more weird is the fact there were intelligence reports saying that a attack like that would happen and when that was announced everyone in the country was like "what's on espn right now?"


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome] * 2
    #19132980 - 11/13/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Everybody knows that Bush and Obama are the same person.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19132985 - 11/13/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Clinton even warned Bush about OBL as he was leaving office. The level of fail is incomprehensible.

People non-ironically shout for impeachment over the complete non- scandal that was Benghazi, but where were these people on 9/11? On their knees praying to the knob.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19133102 - 11/13/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That is my point of view. It is astonishing that no one was up in arms about that.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome]
    #19133109 - 11/13/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obama is smarter and more articulate then Bush, therefore he is more dangerous.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: Smokey420]
    #19133306 - 11/13/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Obviously Obama is better.  After all, who else can change the messaging, blame republicans, make a speech, then hold a couple of fundraisers and have the media all fall to their knees and suck his dick and write stories about how brilliant he is? :smirk:




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Obama is smarter and more articulate then Bush, therefore he is more dangerous.




He is also a constitutional scholar, which taught him how to sidestep the constitution so frequently.  He loves that grey area between between constitutional and unconstitutional.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: mindgnome] * 1
    #19136702 - 11/14/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wouldn't be so sure. Chomsky is a very factual person and that is why I admire him. He reads into many things. He is technically right when he talks about our governments intentions to put a stranglehold on the world... You should read Imperial Ambitions. He talks a lot about how the Government arms places that can't defend themselves and because of the weapons we give people, we use it as a reason to go in and take over the country.



He's a commie fucking nutcase who hates capitalism.  You don't hear the retard whining about all the weapons the Russians sell.  A stranglehold on the world?  What fucking nonsense.  He's  just another hyperbolic nitwit the second he steps beyond the boundaries of his expertise which is incredibly limited.  You might as well cite Alec Baldwin on global warming.


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19136716 - 11/14/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What is your expertise, zappa?  I mean, if you cry out about these people going outside theirs, why do you feel the need to act like you know everything outside of yours?


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Re: Is Obama worse than Bush? Explain. [Re: sytar]
    #19136730 - 11/14/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Clinton even warned Bush about OBL as he was leaving office. The level of fail is incomprehensible.

People non-ironically shout for impeachment over the complete non- scandal that was Benghazi, but where were these people on 9/11? On their knees praying to the knob.



This is persistent stupidity that has been eviscerated over several years here.  Did Clinton tell Bush how they were going to attack and when?  Would you have had Bush shut down all air traffic? 

There were specific security requests made in Beghazi and people made decisions to deny them.  I want to know who made those decisions and what their rationale was.  Aside form the fact that those were probably stupid choices an even more disturbing thing is why isn't anybody answering those simple questions?

As far as I know nobody of any stature has called for impeachment over Benghazi.  Could you please provide a link to such.  Thanks in advance.


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