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How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians?
    #19125287 - 11/12/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I even have some people I love who are Catholic and Republican and they love war. I mean they act like they hate it but they are all about getting some righteous groove on when it comes to killing some impoverished Middle Eastern motherfuckers. What the fuck is up with that?

How can hawks believe they are of the religion of love and charity and peace? 

When did Jesus become the Ronald McDonald mascot of the American war machine? This is a perfect time for all you born again to make your case for Jesus the War God.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: eve69]
    #19125289 - 11/12/13 07:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

See my sig. :haha:


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: eve69]
    #19125878 - 11/12/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - Mathew 10:34

Completely out of context. The next two sentences read: "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." - Matthew 10:35-36. BUT, as we all know, people cherry pick and attempt to apply scriptures to their own spin on things. The "sword" that Jesus refers to here is a metaphorical sword of division, like Manjushri's 'Sword of Discriminating Wisdom,' not a steel sword. But concrete-minded (those whose cognitive development is stuck in Concrete Operational Thought, not yet in Formal Operational Thought according to Jean Piaget, i.e., 'block-heads'), cannot even grok metaphor.

Such is the mentality of us-and-them thinking, the absence of the knowledge symbolized by the Yin-Yang. I just read an article about a downed pilot in WW II who found a spot of compassion at the hands of German soldiers who recovered him from the crash and the woman who cleaned his wounds and fed him. Within the rabid hordes of fanatic Muslim extremists, there is beauty to be found in the structures and art of their mosques. There is still infinitely important truth to be found amidst the world of bullshit that is Christendom. These are all "a pearl of great price" that can be found in the dung of the world - just like a P. cubensis mushroom sprouting from a cow patty.

I voted at age 18 for Richard M. Nixon, because he promised an end to the draft. I am embarrassed by that vote, and today I find that I don't want anything to do with political people who vote Republican. I used to be a Hawk until I took my first psychedelics, and I perceived my hamburger 'breathing' after a Morning Glory seed trip. I was hallucinating of course, but I never thought of a brown meat puck as a ground up dead cow before that moment. I was only 17 years old. I had wanted to become a microbiologist, perhaps to work in biological warfare. I once extracted Toxicodendron from Poison Oak berries, and was going to create an epidemic of rash by dropping it on toilet seats in Physical Education classes, so they'd close PE. I never did it, but you get the point. That malicious mind died, fortunately. I thought of allergic reactions, consequences to my private war. Refusing to Awaken, choosing to remain in The Matrix after one sees reality (like Cypher in The Matrix), is just evil IMO. Denying the truth was St. Peter's sin, in the Bible.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: eve69]
    #19126215 - 11/12/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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eve69 said:
I even have some people I love who are Catholic and Republican and they love war. I mean they act like they hate it but they are all about getting some righteous groove on when it comes to killing some impoverished Middle Eastern motherfuckers. What the fuck is up with that?

How can hawks believe they are of the religion of love and charity and peace? 

When did Jesus become the Ronald McDonald mascot of the American war machine? This is a perfect time for all you born again to make your case for Jesus the War God.




Christians and not wealthy republicans are the most gullible idiots there are. No offense religious shroomerites because youre at least open minded enough to try drugs of peace and love.

To be a christian means to accept and believe a whole lot of clearly dated, clearly man made, clearly contradictory bullshit.

This is not 100 percent, but it is the type of people who would populate following whats popular.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: Yogi1]
    #19127269 - 11/12/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

To be a christian means to accept and believe a whole lot of clearly dated, clearly man made, clearly contradictory bullshit.

This is not 100 percent, but it is the type of people who would populate following whats popular.


So, essentially, you have nullified the first part by the second part, and therefore you have said nothing at all. I regard all mythology with respect, not equal respect mind you, but the Christian myths are essential in the  development of Western civilization.  As a Westerner, they guide my psychology, and hence my life, and your's too. I have to tell you that whatever your issues are about Christianity, you clearly haven't looked long enough to discover its value, which is why you naively dismiss it so easily. You therefore don't have any idea of what it means to be a Christian from a truly informed position, from its deepest theology, not from popular religion.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: eve69]
    #19127360 - 11/12/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The worst atrocities of humankind have been committed in the name of a loving God.  This is very ancient history. 

Many Nazis felt it was their religious obligation to cleanse the world of "undesirables."  Fundamentalist Muslim terrorists today believe the same thing. 

Today, in the United States of America, fundamentalist, extremist Jews and Christians believe the same thing.  And, over the past 30 years, they have been slowly infiltrating the corridors of government.

Institutional religion is, without doubt (and with just a few notable exceptions), the most toxic, destructive force the world has ever known.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19127550 - 11/12/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Institutional religion isn't anything more than a reflection of the interiors of people. The institutions have no power other than the financial power tithed by their members. The world is not run by Opus Dei, a cabal of Zionists, or anything other than power-hungry politicians. Ideological opposition like Capitalism vs. Communism during the Cold War doesn't form today's political Yin-Yang. Fanatical Islam is not about 'Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate,' despite every sura of the Qur'an. It is just about power - 'my way or the highway.' Jews and Christians, if they are true to their faith, cannot be genocidal. I've seen Neo-Nazis claim to be Christian, but they are quite mad. I've known self-proclaimed Zionists, but none who were genocidal, wanting to cleanse undesirables. I don't think you see these things clearly at all. Sounds like uncomplicated paranoia to me. :shrug:


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19127773 - 11/12/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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To be a christian means to accept and believe a whole lot of clearly dated, clearly man made, clearly contradictory bullshit.

This is not 100 percent, but it is the type of people who would populate following whats popular.


So, essentially, you have nullified the first part by the second part, and therefore you have said nothing at all. I regard all mythology with respect, not equal respect mind you, but the Christian myths are essential in the  development of Western civilization.  As a Westerner, they guide my psychology, and hence my life, and your's too. I have to tell you that whatever your issues are about Christianity, you clearly haven't looked long enough to discover its value, which is why you naively dismiss it so easily. You therefore don't have any idea of what it means to be a Christian from a truly informed position, from its deepest theology, not from popular religion.




It is 100 percent manmade bullshit. It is not 100 percent stupid people that believe. I only believe that the vast majority of believers are too stupid to critically think and reason.

You being one of the actual thinkers. You use reasoning with your beliefs. That's rare.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19127870 - 11/12/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I've seen Neo-Nazis claim to be Christian, but they are quite mad. I've known self-proclaimed Zionists, but none who were genocidal, wanting to cleanse undesirables.



You're living in some kind of intellectual utopia.  You need to read the daily newspapers more and watch less of Fox News.

Fundamentalist Christians -- the garden variety -- are, to any sane and rational observer, the single greatest threat to personal liberty in the U.S. today.  Perhaps the greatest threat to personal liberty the U.S. has ever known. 

With regard to Catholic fundamentalism, to his credit this current Pope has pulled back on the reins and told his followers to cool it with regard to their psycho self-loathing obsessions vis-a-vis women and LGBT people.  The last Pope would have fit in with the Third Reich mentality quite nicely -- what with his weekly homophobic rants and calls for women to "conform."

The institutionalization of spirituality is a plague upon humankind.  It inevitably festers and becomes something toxic.

Lots and lots of spiritual people 'get this.'  Buddhists in the know, for example, get this.

Hence the old ditty "If you encounter the Buddha in the street, kill him."


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19128156 - 11/12/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I always pondered the OPs question....If jesus were here today, he wouldn't be a republican.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: B0b0]
    #19128180 - 11/12/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I always pondered the OPs question....If jesus were here today, he wouldn't be a republican.




Too bad he wouldn't be a Christian either. Because Christianity is retarded.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19128757 - 11/12/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You're living in some kind of intellectual utopia.  You need to read the daily newspapers more and watch less of Fox News.


Piss-poor analysis. I am a living intellectual, not a utopian. I do not read newspapers, neither do I watch Fox News. You on the other hand need to work on legitimate inquiry, the gathering of information in order to formulate an accurate evaluation of something. You might try the direct approach and simply ask a question. Here, you are entirely wrong because you are projecting your own assumptions onto me, and you're expressing your false impressions in an accusatory manner, which I find obnoxious.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: Yogi1]
    #19128780 - 11/12/13 09:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Christianity is retarded.

Retarded means delayed, as a flame-retardant garment does not readily catch fire. But, if you mean that a two millennia old religion with over 200 denominations in the USA alone, and countless theologies, is retarded in the archaic sense of stupid, then it's time for you to look at some definitions of the word stupid.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19128938 - 11/12/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Christianity is retarded.

Retarded means delayed, as a flame-retardant garment does not readily catch fire. But, if you mean that a two millennia old religion with over 200 denominations in the USA alone, and countless theologies, is retarded in the archaic sense of stupid, then it's time for you to look at some definitions of the word stupid.




I am retardant to Christian retardedness....


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: Yogi1] * 1
    #19130261 - 11/13/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am retardant to Christian retardedness.

You are equally retardant to intelligent discourse.


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    #19130405 - 11/13/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: Chronic7]
    #19130424 - 11/13/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Plus they wear their hair funny. :thumbdown:


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: Chronic7]
    #19130595 - 11/13/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not taking about Jews but zionism



To your credit you've noted the distinction.  Many on the left do not.  Observers have labeled the tendency of hard leftists to lump together militant fundamentalist Zionist land-thieves with "The Jews" as the "New Anti-Semitism." 

As we see, the hard left can be as bigoted and ignorant as the hard right.

Some of the most fervent Zionists, btw, are evangelical fundamentalist Christians who believe Israel needs to be prepared as a landing pad for Spaceship Jesus when it returns from its 2,000 year journey.  This, apparently, to fulfill a prophesy in their Bible.

These fundamentalist Christians hate the Jews, deeply, yet they stand side-by-side with American Jewish Zionists at their rallies and the like.

Such is the place that religious fundamentalism in the world has brought us to today.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19130669 - 11/13/13 10:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Dear Jesus: save us from your fanclub

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