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    #19130262 - 11/13/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I’m and urban grower of vegetable crops and fungi and am in the process of turning a 24’x12’x8’ greenhouse into a mushroom and microgreen growing combo.

Last winter/spring I had luck growing oysters in a small low-tech greenhouse mixed in with head lettuces, chard, and other odds and ends. All the plant crops were grown in beds on the south side of the greenhouse. In the middle I attached a shade cloth, which shaded my 5gal oyster buckets on the north side. All ventilation was passive, and when the temp was too low the structure was completely closed off.

We saw some excellent results using this system. My thinking is that the natural temp swings, high humidity, and the symbiotic relationship between the plants (oxygen) and mushrooms( CO2) produced good results. My goal with this project is to determine the viability of growing plants and fungi in an enclosed environment. On the south side of the greenhouse I plan on building shelving for micro greens and plant seedlings for late winter and spring. The north side will have hanging oyster logs and shelves for shiitake and king oyster.

I’m having trouble deciding whether to add pea gravel for the flooring or to just leave the soil. Does anyone have experience with pea gravel? Another question I’m considering is how I should regulate humidity. My last grow did well just spraying it down once or twice a day with the water hose.  I have two-3 disk pond foggers and a 6 inch 240cfm fan I was thinking of making into a bulk humidifier, but don’t know if it is necessary.

Over all, I’m stoked to be growing mushrooms on any scale, and am hoping this works well for us. The mushroom/veggie scrap compost I’ve been making is excellent and people have been loving the oyster mushrooms at the farmers markets. Looking forward to all the valuable knowledge the shroomery has to offer. This is a great community and I want to add to the cumulative knowledge. Any questions or concerns are appreciated, I need all the help I can get.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19130349 - 11/13/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

nice job!  You will need to humidify in temperate climates during winter months due to lower relative humidity.  esp since you are sucking dry air in for fae.  go with the pea gravel.  dirt is gonna ge MUDDY pretty fast.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19131138 - 11/13/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks Amanita, we're definitely more on the temperate side here in North Texas, but the winters are mild. I'll go ahead with the pea gravel tomorrow, and start working on automated humidification later this week.

I just installed the exhaust and intake and its running great. Really moves that air. Pictures as soon as I get more work done.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19137097 - 11/14/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I made some good progress today with the help of a volunteer. We dug out a couple inches of the greenhouse interior, leveled and laid plastic. Wheeled in one cubic yard of pea gravel. We also completed a bunch of the finishing work. Installed electricity, thermostat, and sealed the majority of the greenhouse.

Should be able to start fruiting mushrooms early next week. I have a few blue oyster columns that are nearly colonized so I need to hurry. I've yet to start building the humidification device, but I'm thinking of using a 120 quart Coleman cooler. Still don't know how I should connect my 6 inch inline fan to the cooler? Suggestions are appreciated.



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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19148115 - 11/17/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What substrate are you using for microgreens?


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Horticulture]
    #19148664 - 11/17/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What exactly are microgreens? I came up with nothing when I googled it.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: sytar]
    #19148847 - 11/17/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What exactly are microgreens? I came up with nothing when I googled it.




sprouts of any kind of vegetable, really.  the latest, greatest, 'superfood'.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: drake89]
    #19149634 - 11/17/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Horticulture, I'm using a mixture of our own compost and some recycled potting soil from a research farm in my town. About 50/50.

Micro-greens are similar to sprouts except they are cultivated in a soil or soilless mixture and grown until their first true leaves have shown, then harvested. We have had a lot of success with mustard and radish. I add them to most dishes:crazy2:

I attached the 40% shade cloth to the greenhouse and I'm not sure its enough. Seems like a higher percentage is going to be needed to shield the substrates from our intense afternoon sun exposure.  Also put the first columns in the greenhouse last night. With the temp at 90° today I wonder how they will fruit. Its supposed to be cooler tomorrow but for now I'm spraying the floor every couple hours.

I'll post more pics when I can.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19151156 - 11/17/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice Job on your greenhouse! looking forward to seeing it full of mushrooms and greens.

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I attached the 40% shade cloth to the greenhouse and I'm not sure its enough. Seems like a higher percentage is going to be needed to shield the substrates from our intense afternoon sun exposure.  Also put the first columns in the greenhouse last night. With the temp at 90° today I wonder how they will fruit.




I use a simple outdoor greenhouse like yourself, in an arid hot area also. I first just used a blue tarp for the top and let clear plastic on the sides, but found many blocks with direct sun exposure where getting burned. Covering most of GH with opaque tarps worked to protect the mushrooms, especially needed considering I have zero shade.

Over the past year or two I've mostly been growing oysters and lions mane in the GH andh have not run into trouble fruiting either until it got above 90 in the GH. Even during 107 heat, the misting system has been able to keep it around 88.

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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19155594 - 11/18/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thats great Pseudo, what type of misting system do you have in your setup?


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19155765 - 11/18/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just use inexpensive patio misters, combined with adequate ventilation it keeps things cool and humid enough through the hot and dry california summer.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19158700 - 11/19/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good to hear these misters work well for you. I'm thinking of using a misting system like this with a timer and solenoid valve to regulate humidity and cooling in the GH. Do you have any experience with something like this http://www.amazon.com/Galcon-6-Station-Irrigation-Propagation-Controller/dp/B00ES8NRKU/ref=sr_1_1?s=lawn-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1384873375&sr=1-1&keywords=propagation+timer

I need to automate this system soon.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19158754 - 11/19/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually I was just looking into picking up a something like that as I tried a cheaper sprinkler system timer and  could only come on by itself once or twice per day.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: pseudotsuga]
    #19158777 - 11/19/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This video we did a few months ago of our solar powered pump system might give you a few ideas.

If you have access to water pressure, I don't know that I would go to the length of having a pump and reservoir, but you can use the same arduino system as the timer for a sprinkler valve and plug a hose straight into it.

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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: nanncee]
    #19160544 - 11/19/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Made some headway on the GH today. Finished the railing for the hanging subs and attached a shade cloth down the middle to shade the substrates. I also finished a lime bath bulk sub run and stuffed the straw into bags. Here are some pics of the first fruits growing in the GH. We put these substrates in the GH Saturday night.



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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: nanncee]
    #19160595 - 11/19/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This video we did a few months ago of our solar powered pump system might give you a few ideas.

If you have access to water pressure, I don't know that I would go to the length of having a pump and reservoir, but you can use the same arduino system as the timer for a sprinkler valve and plug a hose straight into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4wDA2OL6vU



Thanks Nanncee, I think a similar system is going to work. The water pressure at my house is intense so I think I'll run a water hose to a propagation timer with 24V valve, and misters. I need the mist for the evaporation cooling effect and the humidity too.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19162953 - 11/19/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lookin good.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: drake89]
    #19267856 - 12/12/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)


The first flush had a nice pin set but small fruits. Lately all we've been growing are stunted, thick, and forming in singles or small clusters. They often form pins on the inside of the bag too.

We spray the whole area twice daily (Humidity between 50-100°). Fan ventilation is on a thermostat, and it's been really cold lately so no ventilation. Could this be leading to the poor fruitage??


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19268010 - 12/12/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

shiitake looks over supplemented.  Should even out after a bit.

The oysters don't look stifled or dry.  Are they still growing?  How cold is it?  Maybe they are just growing real slow.

Where did you get your culture?  They both look similar and not quite like anything I've grown.  Little chunky buggers


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19268324 - 12/12/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hi, I'm SpeakSoftly's partner.
I think we added too much grain to inoculate the sawdust blocks. Made with 100parts sawdust to 20parts oat bran to 10parts gypsum.

They are still growing, it's been 20F and around 40F in the GH.

Maybe we're just impatient.

The first three are from Canadian Fungi Supply, Oyster "H". The middle two are Aloha cultures. I don't remember if the shiitakes are CFS or not. Just that they are called West Wind and Night Velvet.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
    #19269496 - 12/13/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

For most strains of oyster and shiitake the 40s F is too cold.  Heat it up to the 50's if you want the mushrooms to grow and yield well again.  If you can't heat, grow enokitake, beech, or maybe king oysters, as these can be grown decently in the 40's F

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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Aleon]
    #19269722 - 12/13/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'll get it warmer. We have a radiator heater in there and an electric coil heater.

Is it normal for pins to show up where I don't want them? Is the straw not packed tight enough or that the light is able to penetrate these clear plastic tubes.
Again the shape of these mushrooms are phoenix oysters supposed to be so chunky? Do they look like they have FAE problems?


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
    #19269741 - 12/13/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It may be because there isn't enough humidity.  Winter air is cold AND dry.  Also some strains just have a harder time finding the holes compared to others; but keeping the humidity up will help them find the holes and help for larger pin set.  Looks like there's enough FAE but can't really tell until they mature a bit.  Invest in a cheap co2 meter if you can; they really come in handy.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
    #19269746 - 12/13/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

growth will be slow at those temps but the fruits will be off high quality.

Switch to blue oyster pronto.  PM me if you need culture I don't have a phoenix, we can swap.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: t3chnobily]
    #19269880 - 12/13/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the help. I just placed some King Oyster supplemented blocks in the GH so we will see how they work. If they are similar to the Shiitake blocks they are probably over supplemented too. The formula we have been using is 10 parts hardwood sawdust(local cabinet maker) 2 parts wheat bran, and 1 part gypsum. Sterilized for 2 hours, cooled 12 hours, and spawned with 1 quart rye spawn. Should I cut the wheat bran back to one part and only use half quart for spawnage?

t3chnobilly, we have a blue oyster that is running through some straw subs right now, but I'm still down to trade for another.

Sounds like we need to raise the night temprature and humidity and we'll have better results. I'll have to look into a C02 meter.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19269941 - 12/13/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

King will be fine at that level of supp.  Yield benefits up to 40% I believe.  Instead of heating just stick with the cold weather shrooms.  Blue, Enoki, cold weather shiitake.  They will grow slowly but produce well.

If you have access too barrels stuff as many as you can into the green house and fill them with water.  Darker color is better.  They will suck up solar heat in the day and spit it out at night.  Water is an amazing heat buffer.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
    #19269942 - 12/13/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for the help. I just placed some King Oyster supplemented blocks in the GH so we will see how they work. If they are similar to the Shiitake blocks they are probably over supplemented too. The formula we have been using is 10 parts hardwood sawdust(local cabinet maker) 2 parts wheat bran, and 1 part gypsum. Sterilized for 2 hours, cooled 12 hours, and spawned with 1 quart rye spawn. Should I cut the wheat bran back to one part and only use half quart for spawnage?





That much supplementation shouldn't be a problem for kings, people supplement them up to 40% I've heard.  Shiitake is more sensitive and only likes about 5% before you start getting mutants.  I don't even use bran in my shiitake bags (but I use a whole quart of spawn) and I still get mutants.

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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Forrester]
    #19270540 - 12/13/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think you have the answers, the shiitake look over supplemented, they will get better on subsequent flushes and the oysters look like they are growing ultra slowly hence the shape (quality will be good though)


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: solumvita]
    #19272034 - 12/13/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)



Added the radiant heater to keep the temp up.
Noticed good pins on pl. ulmarius. Pheonix Oysters are growing. Cut more plastic to get more fruits. Had the shiitake mutants for dinner. microgreens, butterhead lettuce, amaranth microgreens.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
    #19279117 - 12/15/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Those oysters look fat and happy!
to me the shiitake blocks look like they could spend a little more time browning, what strain are you using?


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: deadmandave]
    #19280906 - 12/15/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Those oysters look fat and happy!
to me the shiitake blocks look like they could spend a little more time browning, what strain are you using?



Thanks man, I feel a lot better about how they are growing now.
The Shiitake was fruiting in the bags so we set them in there. The cultures are from field and forest, night velvet & west wind.
The bags on the bottom row in my third picture are king oysters on sawdust. What environment do you think is best for browning?
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
    #19281077 - 12/15/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)


Got a few more subs fully colonized and now the hanging rack is full.:cool:


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
    #19281159 - 12/15/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Avoid temp swings if you want to prevent pinning in the bag, room temp (indoors) is good for browning.  If it drops too low they will often start pinning before fully brown.


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Forrester]
    #19282225 - 12/16/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I colonize my shiitake blocks at only 62 F but a very constant temperature like Forrester suggests. Even after a week sitting 100% brown they still need to be awoken with a cold shock and maybe a little slapping :lol: also i soak them before their first flush.

MY those oyster look appetizing. short fat and tender


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: deadmandave]
    #22979285 - 03/06/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry to bumbo an old thread but this is marvelous and there's a lot of good information here- thanks. Hope I get to that point some day- and I like your record keeping- trying to find the perfect spawn ratio is cool


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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: TravelAgency]
    #23048004 - 03/26/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

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Sorry to bumbo an old thread but this is marvelous and there's a lot of good information here- thanks. Hope I get to that point some day- and I like your record keeping- trying to find the perfect spawn ratio is cool



I'm glad you did bump it, I got valuable info.


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