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Aleon
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
#19269496 - 12/13/13 06:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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For most strains of oyster and shiitake the 40s F is too cold. Heat it up to the 50's if you want the mushrooms to grow and yield well again. If you can't heat, grow enokitake, beech, or maybe king oysters, as these can be grown decently in the 40's F
Best of luck!
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Aleon]
#19269722 - 12/13/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll get it warmer. We have a radiator heater in there and an electric coil heater.
Is it normal for pins to show up where I don't want them? Is the straw not packed tight enough or that the light is able to penetrate these clear plastic tubes. Again the shape of these mushrooms are phoenix oysters supposed to be so chunky? Do they look like they have FAE problems?
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
#19269741 - 12/13/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It may be because there isn't enough humidity. Winter air is cold AND dry. Also some strains just have a harder time finding the holes compared to others; but keeping the humidity up will help them find the holes and help for larger pin set. Looks like there's enough FAE but can't really tell until they mature a bit. Invest in a cheap co2 meter if you can; they really come in handy.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
#19269746 - 12/13/13 08:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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growth will be slow at those temps but the fruits will be off high quality.
Switch to blue oyster pronto. PM me if you need culture I don't have a phoenix, we can swap.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: t3chnobily]
#19269880 - 12/13/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the help. I just placed some King Oyster supplemented blocks in the GH so we will see how they work. If they are similar to the Shiitake blocks they are probably over supplemented too. The formula we have been using is 10 parts hardwood sawdust(local cabinet maker) 2 parts wheat bran, and 1 part gypsum. Sterilized for 2 hours, cooled 12 hours, and spawned with 1 quart rye spawn. Should I cut the wheat bran back to one part and only use half quart for spawnage?
t3chnobilly, we have a blue oyster that is running through some straw subs right now, but I'm still down to trade for another.
Sounds like we need to raise the night temprature and humidity and we'll have better results. I'll have to look into a C02 meter.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
#19269941 - 12/13/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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King will be fine at that level of supp. Yield benefits up to 40% I believe. Instead of heating just stick with the cold weather shrooms. Blue, Enoki, cold weather shiitake. They will grow slowly but produce well.
If you have access too barrels stuff as many as you can into the green house and fill them with water. Darker color is better. They will suck up solar heat in the day and spit it out at night. Water is an amazing heat buffer.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: SpeakSoftly]
#19269942 - 12/13/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SpeakSoftly said: Thanks for the help. I just placed some King Oyster supplemented blocks in the GH so we will see how they work. If they are similar to the Shiitake blocks they are probably over supplemented too. The formula we have been using is 10 parts hardwood sawdust(local cabinet maker) 2 parts wheat bran, and 1 part gypsum. Sterilized for 2 hours, cooled 12 hours, and spawned with 1 quart rye spawn. Should I cut the wheat bran back to one part and only use half quart for spawnage?
That much supplementation shouldn't be a problem for kings, people supplement them up to 40% I've heard. Shiitake is more sensitive and only likes about 5% before you start getting mutants. I don't even use bran in my shiitake bags (but I use a whole quart of spawn) and I still get mutants.
oops, T3chnobily beat me to it
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Edited by Forrester (12/13/13 09:33 AM)
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Forrester]
#19270540 - 12/13/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you have the answers, the shiitake look over supplemented, they will get better on subsequent flushes and the oysters look like they are growing ultra slowly hence the shape (quality will be good though)
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: solumvita]
#19272034 - 12/13/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Added the radiant heater to keep the temp up. Noticed good pins on pl. ulmarius. Pheonix Oysters are growing. Cut more plastic to get more fruits. Had the shiitake mutants for dinner. microgreens, butterhead lettuce, amaranth microgreens.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
#19279117 - 12/15/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those oysters look fat and happy! to me the shiitake blocks look like they could spend a little more time browning, what strain are you using?
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: deadmandave]
#19280906 - 12/15/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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deadmandave said: Those oysters look fat and happy! to me the shiitake blocks look like they could spend a little more time browning, what strain are you using?
Thanks man, I feel a lot better about how they are growing now. The Shiitake was fruiting in the bags so we set them in there. The cultures are from field and forest, night velvet & west wind. The bags on the bottom row in my third picture are king oysters on sawdust. What environment do you think is best for browning? Thank you.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
#19281077 - 12/15/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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 Got a few more subs fully colonized and now the hanging rack is full.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Sweedill]
#19281159 - 12/15/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Avoid temp swings if you want to prevent pinning in the bag, room temp (indoors) is good for browning. If it drops too low they will often start pinning before fully brown.
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: Forrester]
#19282225 - 12/16/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I colonize my shiitake blocks at only 62 F but a very constant temperature like Forrester suggests. Even after a week sitting 100% brown they still need to be awoken with a cold shock and maybe a little slapping also i soak them before their first flush.
MY those oyster look appetizing. short fat and tender
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: deadmandave]
#22979285 - 03/06/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry to bumbo an old thread but this is marvelous and there's a lot of good information here- thanks. Hope I get to that point some day- and I like your record keeping- trying to find the perfect spawn ratio is cool
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Re: Mushrooms and Micro-greens Greenhouse [Re: TravelAgency]
#23048004 - 03/26/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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TravelAgency said: Sorry to bumbo an old thread but this is marvelous and there's a lot of good information here- thanks. Hope I get to that point some day- and I like your record keeping- trying to find the perfect spawn ratio is cool
I'm glad you did bump it, I got valuable info.
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