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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Enlil]
    #19127545 - 11/12/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looks right there to me.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Enlil]
    #19127576 - 11/12/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not to mention that the "projection" is dead wrong about where it actually ended up.

Fun fact: 45% of the deficit was due to technical factors in the economy. Less tax revenue because of less business and whatnot. Pew has an excellent though somewhat outdated paper "drivers of the federal debt" about it and about, of course, which policies are driving the debt. Obama's major contribution to the debt was the 900B stimulius which is around 65% of his policy contribution to the debt overall (that calculation is up to date and not included in the paper I had to do that one by hand.) An older calculation is in the paper. As usual, no links, go get it yourself - you know the drill.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: sytar]
    #19127836 - 11/12/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Not to mention that the "projection" is dead wrong about where it actually ended up.




Yes, it was a good bit more
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Fun fact: 45% of the deficit was due to technical factors in the economy. Less tax revenue because of less business and whatnot. Pew has an excellent though somewhat outdated paper "drivers of the federal debt" about it and about, of course, which policies are driving the debt. Obama's major contribution to the debt was the 900B stimulius which is around 65% of his policy contribution to the debt overall (that calculation is up to date and not included in the paper I had to do that one by hand.) An older calculation is in the paper. As usual, no links, go get it yourself - you know the drill.




Right.  The fact that 70% of new hires are part time has nothing to do with Obama nor does the 30 year high in people of age put of the workforce.

Will any of you children please explain to me why you continue to support somebody who lied to you, spied on you and generally fucked you over a hot griddle?  I'm getting fucked because my policy made the same payments to out of network docs as to network docs.  None of the new policies in NY makes ANY payments to out of network docs.  I don't have to pay the overage.  I have to pay everything.  And the doctor pool is comprised of, how can I be polite, substandard (in Carney parlance) doctors.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19128360 - 11/12/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

FY2011 deficit was 1.3T. You have either poor math or poor sources but probably both.

Funny you mention health insurance. My premiums went down, my deductible went from 5000 to 0. Lab work is covered with a copay now instead of my ridiculous deductible (a few months ago I got hit with 450 in lab work fees my doctor didn't tell me would cost an arm and a leg). My copay went down from 45 to 25. My medication went down from 15 to 5.

I had right wingers insisting that my premiums would go up, etc. Turns out, as usual, they are full of it.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: sytar]
    #19128363 - 11/12/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Let's say for a moment I kind of agree with your arguments in which you advocate raising the minimum wage. 

So, why not raise it to....$20 an hour?  $50 an hour?  Why not raise it o $100 an hour? :smirk:


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19128539 - 11/12/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Can't we all at least agree that if the minimum wage was raised according to increase in inflation that it would be $10.74

http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/facts/entry/amount-with-inflation/

I would also like to add, in 1968 my dad was making $12/hr with full benefits at a tool and dye factory. The minimum wage then was $1.60/hr. Now I have very many friends that are in the same field which receive the same $12/hr today. With benefits not as comprehensive.

A simple compromise on the issue could be increase the minimum wage to a even $8.50 and tie it to the rate of inflation. That way it isn't jumped right up to $10 which is a pretty big jump.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19128609 - 11/12/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Let's say for a moment I kind of agree with your arguments in which you advocate raising the minimum wage. 

So, why not raise it to....$20 an hour?  $50 an hour?  Why not raise it o $100 an hour? :smirk:




Did you really smirk at the end of that? That makes the question borderline idiotic if you think that's a clever rebuttal. Once minimum wages exceed MPL then negative effects will come from raising it. The fact that there aren't negative effects from modest increases would indicate that for one reason or another low skill workers aren't getting their full MPL. The CEPR paper outlined quite a few possible reasons this might be. I suggest more reading and less smirking.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19128796 - 11/12/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Let's say for a moment I kind of agree with your arguments in which you advocate raising the minimum wage. 

So, why not raise it to....$20 an hour?  $50 an hour?  Why not raise it o $100 an hour? :smirk:




Because it doesn't need to be $20, $50, or $100 an hour.  Why do you have to ask ridiculous questions to try and make your shitty point?


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19129072 - 11/12/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
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starfire_xes said:
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sytar said:




Let's say for a moment I kind of agree with your arguments in which you advocate raising the minimum wage. 

So, why not raise it to....$20 an hour?  $50 an hour?  Why not raise it o $100 an hour? :smirk:




Because it doesn't need to be $20, $50, or $100 an hour.  Why do you have to ask ridiculous questions to try and make your shitty point?




What does it need to be?  And what do you base what it 'needs to be' on?


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19129337 - 11/12/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What does it need to be?  And what do you base what it 'needs to be' on?




I'm not an economist, so I usually steer clear of this sort of question.  I'm not sure where the bar should be, but I realize that $7.25/hr when minimum wage employers are giving you 25 hours a week is nowhere near enough to support yourself.

Now, we can have an actual discussion on the subject, or you can ask your ridiculous questions and further show that you have no real interest in the subject, and are only here to make circle-jerk comments like "Well why don't we pay them $100/hr then."


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19129355 - 11/12/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

they are only working 25 hours a week because the employers cannot afford to do any more than that. Why is making them spend more money going to alleviate this problem? You will have layoffs and hours cut back if the minimum wage goes up. And i'll say this one more time.... NOT ALL JOBS ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE A LIVING WAGE. What about that is so hard to understand?


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: psyconaught]
    #19129379 - 11/12/13 11:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why are the corporations that are benefiting from the economic system of the country not being held to a standard to treat their employees right?


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19129386 - 11/12/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

people have a choice to work at those companies.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: psyconaught]
    #19129416 - 11/12/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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people have a choice to work at those companies.




How do you figure?  If they don't work for minimum wage because they have no skills, what are they supposed to do?  Since you're anti-welfare, where are these individuals supposed to turn?


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19129430 - 11/12/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if minimum wage didn't exist they would have been able to get the necessary skills earlier in life so they would actually be in demand skill wise when it mattered. And i'm not anti-welfare. Just against the current system we have now. I understand everyone needs a little hand now and then. But it should be severely limited.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19131229 - 11/13/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not an economist, so I usually steer clear of this sort of question.  I'm not sure where the bar should be, but I realize that $7.25/hr when minimum wage employers are giving you 25 hours a week is nowhere near enough to support yourself.





This is a shining example of were you lose grasp with reality in this debate. People who work at fast food, and retail for the most part work pretty mindless jobs. These types of jobs are appropriate for High School students, College students, members of the household who are not the primary breadwinner. They are not meant for the head of a household. Even if you raised their pathetic earning capacity to $10/hr and gave 40hr/week this would be an insufficient amount to be the independent financial supporter of a household with dependents. We can't as a society afford to pay every reatarded little teenager that flips a Burger the kind of money it takes to meet that kind of huge financial obligation. It's really isn't hard to understand and it baffles me that you can't grasp the concept

Now, when it comes to flunkies who can't find better employment as they age they have a range of options. They could for example live in their parents basement, meet other flunkies at their menial employment whose poor life choices have put them in the same boat and work together by sharing rent & other cost sharing measures, or they could try to better themselves maybe. If all else fails I've known some waitresses and bar maids that made damn good money considering their other employment prospects.

Anything is better then being perpetually financially broken. That shit is pathetic. Being a drug dealer is more admirable then being a useless fucking bum


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19133884 - 11/13/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mush4Brains said:
I'm not an economist, so I usually steer clear of this sort of question.  I'm not sure where the bar should be, but I realize that $7.25/hr when minimum wage employers are giving you 25 hours a week is nowhere near enough to support yourself.





This is a shining example of were you lose grasp with reality in this debate. People who work at fast food, and retail for the most part work pretty mindless jobs. These types of jobs are appropriate for High School students, College students, members of the household who are not the primary breadwinner. They are not meant for the head of a household. Even if you raised their pathetic earning capacity to $10/hr and gave 40hr/week this would be an insufficient amount to be the independent financial supporter of a household with dependents. We can't as a society afford to pay every reatarded little teenager that flips a Burger the kind of money it takes to meet that kind of huge financial obligation. It's really isn't hard to understand and it baffles me that you can't grasp the concept

Now, when it comes to flunkies who can't find better employment as they age they have a range of options. They could for example live in their parents basement, meet other flunkies at their menial employment whose poor life choices have put them in the same boat and work together by sharing rent & other cost sharing measures, or they could try to better themselves maybe. If all else fails I've known some waitresses and bar maids that made damn good money considering their other employment prospects.

Anything is better then being perpetually financially broken. That shit is pathetic. Being a drug dealer is more admirable then being a useless fucking bum




What's wrong there mush for brains, do you lack the intellectual strength to face your delusion?


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19133963 - 11/13/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The basic fact of the matter is, mostly due to our poor education system, there are people, usually between 18-25, that are trying to rely on minimum wage, or close to minimum wage jobs to survive. 

These people used to be able to graduate high school (or not), go down to the local manufacturing plant, and get a foot in the door for a decent living.

Now we have manufacturing, IT, call centers, and similar positions being offshored, meaning lots of good paying jobs have left the country, and all you have left are jobs that pay shit, or jobs that are beyond the education/intelligence level of a lot of these people.

Yeah, they should have made a more concerted effort not to get into the situation they are in, but man, a bunch of these people are simply not smart enough to steer themselves away from dangerous situations.

If you want to fix the problem, start at the most basic level.  Get all kids, whether from the suburbs or the hood, a quality education that sets them up for a better future.  Provide contraceptives, for free, to any female who wants them no matter what their income level.  Give grants to community outreach teams to help get to the most troubled children, preventing them from committing the same mistakes their parents made.  These are the kinds of things we should be doing, not cutting SNAP benefits and depriving children of essential nutrition.

So, you can sit on your throne, and act like everybody should be able to have it as easy as you did, or you can help create an environment that will help the future generations succeed. 

Oh, and the username is Mush4Brains.  Stop trying to tie it to my intelligence and call me "mush for brains."  Makes you look small and petty.  Not so long ago you tried to pull this:

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Ridicule if that's how you deal with being wrong all the time




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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19133973 - 11/13/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So are you saying that the american educational system has been a failure?  I agree with you on that point.


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Re: Looks like Obama is trying to up the minimum wage to $10 an hour [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19133989 - 11/13/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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and all you have left are jobs that pay shit




thats just plain wrong :shrug: maybe thats all you have exposure to (not meant to be an insult, literally meaning maybe your not aware of them), but there are loads of high paying jobs in this country. There are actually many industries that have a shortage of workers, mainly vocational positions. I had a friend that went to linemen's instead of college and now he makes roughly 90 grand a year. So thats bullshit people are just too stupid to actually pursue a career with a worthwhile ROI. I've never worked a minimum wage job in my life, i never had to. Even when i was 15 i was making $10 per hour working for myself. It all comes down to motivation and drive.


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