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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Rahz]
    #19123886 - 11/11/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What's absurd, the searching itself or the inability to find?



Yep exactly.  Don't think of the dictionary word absurd think of the way it's defined by existentialists as absurdism.  Google "Absurdism" and it should clarify things.

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"One must imagine Sisyphus happy." - Albert Camus.

...Really though I just do tons of drugs and write; that's my answer. :awesome:



This used to be my go to move when i was younger until i pissed away 5 years of my life to heroin addiction... now i can't do recreational drugs except for psychedelics but i'm too chicken shit of my own baggage to muster up the courage for that.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19125192 - 11/12/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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In the short term. A matter of minutes. Everything is absurd as the contexts rapidly shift.
What may not shift so quickly are your personally cultivated values




true, but it is not absurd when you know the fact of others and else existence in powers ways, it is just that we are abused atrociously as if we are not there but to serve creations of powerful wills to take advantage from truth being existing but barely a bit, they are happy to keep it that way and less so they can move and live in stable superior free positive eternal conscious stands, starting by forcing an inferior dimension which is us, to get less competitions from stealing of existence truth ways


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19125221 - 11/12/13 07:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The opiate addictions are best saved for old age when the game is about up and you know you've lost.  I find great solace in them these days. :nicesmile:


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Rahz]
    #19125238 - 11/12/13 07:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What's absurd, the searching itself or the inability to find?




you saw the fallacy, he is like meaning to find something already existing for him, which is absurd

he wants to be in positive life stories by getting a piece of different cakes created for, but not admitting so, then he invents another story of how there is nothing to get from anyone ...

i am not meaning him of course, i am just still emphasizing on words fallacy in general, we are meant to make wrong sentences all the time to not be able to articulate an objective mean nor to ever talk to each others...

and your question is smart, so i want to try to see the meaning of absurd in positive truth

i think absurd mean the pretense of being true because in positive life of everything being, while not able and never mean to do something individually ... the absurd is how can you be true while you are only through others livings and things beings realities that are by definition not you

i guess it could be the reason of absurd atmosphere, how all are enthusiastic about existing and being and the more we get closer to the fact, the more we see how they dont mean being themselves ...

maybe there is something about objective positive truth, that makes everything and everyone hysterical life for pretending being through that, and forgetting all about basics like they are not being at all to an extent that it is really what they dont care about at all

dont they shout, one life one spirit is the truth of happiness and the object of eternal life in heavens ??...

so actually absurd is the unwilling to find what one mean to seek

or the will to search new means to claim being existence while rejecting all objective right existing meanings



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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19126350 - 11/12/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What's absurd, the searching itself or the inability to find?



Yep exactly.  Don't think of the dictionary word absurd think of the way it's defined by existentialists as absurdism.  Google "Absurdism" and it should clarify things.





If there's nothing to find, the inability to find it wouldn't be absurd and that would make the searching itself the absurdity. If there's no base desire to 'find the meaning of life' then a desire to find that would be a aberration. That's not to say existentialism is a rarity but it could indicate it's not a requirement for being a human.

I'm just bringing up the possibility that there are more than 3 choices to the absurdity argument.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Rahz]
    #19126377 - 11/12/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is a base desire in me to find out "whats the meaning of life."  In a perfect world i would like to figure out a narrative for where i came from, what i'm doing and where i'm going except it wouldn't be a delusion like religion is.  Unfortunately i'm left trying to accept i never will and looking for something i will never find.  I can't help but look because i tell myself "maybe there is something i've overlooked, maybe it's out there" and it never is...


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19126665 - 11/12/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do you think an ant (or a redneck) could understand physics if explained slowly?

I submit that if an advanced being explained the ultimate meaning and origin of the universe our tiny monkey brains could not comprehend.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19126876 - 11/12/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

you are not your body who knows maybe the miserable body of a particular ant is to kill a true free positive source...

i mean it is not about abilities to comprehend anything, right is simply about objective recognition of else existence too

so when positive standards do not exist, it means that all and everyone is about powers will over objective rights which could be present as conscious beings or superior as true positive things sources


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19128296 - 11/12/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you think an ant (or a redneck) could understand physics if explained slowly?

I submit that if an advanced being explained the ultimate meaning and origin of the universe our tiny monkey brains could not comprehend.



Good point.  Maybe i should stop being a pussy and just forget about this stuff and do the best i can with what i've got.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19128310 - 11/12/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

God, this place is depressing :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19128436 - 11/12/13 08:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How can you say that about me? :imspecial:


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19128461 - 11/12/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Things were a lot easier when i was a junkie but i'd rather have my emotions back and be depressed most of the time then go back to the path of being dead or in jail soon.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19128470 - 11/12/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good choice, imo. You can also use all that angst as creative propulsion instead of smothering it with chemicals. Get to it. :highfive:


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19128482 - 11/12/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Having to lie to everyone i know and make up stories about why im 24 and still in college is just this huge weight on my shoulders.  I wish i could just be honest with people but that's not an option.  I gotta just stop being a pussy and put the petal to the medal!


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19128737 - 11/12/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:flowers:

FYI, I believe it's abnormal to graduate with your degree in 4 years. 5 or 6 is the norm nowadays.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Penelope_Tree]
    #19128843 - 11/12/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know i was just raised in a hyper-neurotic conservative community that sees anyone who doesn't graduate in 4 years is a loser and becoming a doctor, lawyer or politician is what you're supposed to do.
 
Anyways enough of my personal baggage back to absurdism and meaning of life and so on...


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #19129074 - 11/12/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I know i was just raised in a hyper-neurotic conservative community that sees anyone who doesn't graduate in 4 years is a loser and becoming a doctor, lawyer or politician is what you're supposed to do.
 
Anyways enough of my personal baggage back to absurdism and meaning of life and so on...




Sounds like a pretty twisted place.  Perhaps you should gtfo and experience the variety of other possibilities for an inherited sense of meaning that people around this world are stamped with. There are many flavours of absurd glaze out there. Get a taste of them all! It may just pass for a meaningful experience if you can wring feelings of awe from your sober cerebrum. Somewhere amongst the mess you might even stumble upon a path with heart.

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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #19129772 - 11/13/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The absurdity is having to live all life feeling the world around you and knowing that there's no meanings to it. Because like your life, our civilization will one day have to face an inevitable end. At first, you may think that maybe our civilization was just part of something bigger. But it just doesn't make sense! Why? Just because the universe itself can't have any end as it can't have a beginning. So the true meaning of life would be that their are no meaning. The concept of a Ultimate goal to life would mean that there is an END. If not, it would not be a goal it would only be an event on the still stretching line of time. So the absurdity is trying to make sense with your life when the universe itself doesn't make any.


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Re: How to accept the absurd? [Re: TheLunatik]
    #19129826 - 11/13/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The absurdity is having to live all life feeling the world around you and knowing that there's no meanings to it. Because like your life, our civilization will one day have to face an inevitable end. At first, you may think that maybe our civilization was just part of something bigger. But it just doesn't make sense! Why? Just because the universe itself can't have any end as it can't have a beginning. So the true meaning of life would be that their are no meaning. The concept of a Ultimate goal to life would mean that there is an END. If not, it would not be a goal it would only be an event on the still stretching line of time. So the absurdity is trying to make sense with your life when the universe itself doesn't make any.




no that cant be absurd on the contrary, the absurd would be to realize the lack of existence means and to still mean it for yourself being way

what is seen objectively as being negative or wrong in a subjective sense, is immediately translated for being else in truth, the rising of self being in presence of everything, not only because of others present beings

then you would understand better how it is true, that you are not the universe nor to or about it, you are yourself conscious free superiority, willing to realize something positive about yourself or for yourself in being positively present in constant way ..

existence as a whole could be perceived being for productions of more, like being objective superiority without means as being none but for existence value at the end ..

but you are not none ever when you are just the one being you are constantly so you cant mean but yourself best fact as a constant thing, and not nothing from everything for nothing ...this is absurd !


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