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Man Bites Dog
    #19128270 - 11/12/13 07:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MAN APPARENTLY ATE HIS DOG TO STAY ALIVE IN QUEBEC WOODS

Toronto Sun — Outdoorsman Marco Lavoie, rescued Wednesday after three months in the deep woods near James Bay, made the heartbreaking decision to kill and eat his beloved German shepherd to stay alive.

A source close to the amazing story told QMI Agency that Lavoie, 44, sacrificed his dog when he became stranded at the Nottaway River, roughly 800 km northwest of Montreal.

A bear had eaten Lavoie's food and destroyed his boat in mid-July, leaving him alone with the dog.

A few days after the bear attack, the person who spoke to QMI on condition of anonymity said Lavoie used a rock to kill his dog before eating the pet.

By the time provincial police airlifted him out three months later, Lavoie was barely able to speak or eat. He suffered hypothermia and dehydration and had lost about 90 pounds.

Survival expert Andre Francois Bourbeau said Lavoie did what he could to live.

"He survived because he made ‹good decisions. Eating his dog was one of them," said Bourbeau, author of a survival guide.

Bourbeau has researched hundreds of similar stories, some of which include cannibalism.

"You have to be desperate, but there's no shame in (eating the dog)," said Bourbeau. "He had to use reason."

The survival expert says that after 30 days in the wilderness with no food, Lavoie's body would have gone into shock from starvation.

"Hunger squeezes you so much that you would accept food that's not normally possible," said Bourbeau. "You can crave slugs and bugs."

Lavoie is an experienced hiker who often spent weeks in the wilderness by himself. But the Nottaway River is considered too dangerous even for the hardiest outdoorsmen.

Andre Diamond, a Waswanipi Cree who lives on an island at the mouth of the river, said he warned Lavoie to stay away.

"He said it didn't scare him, but it's not a river to travel alone," said Diamond. "Other adventurers have gone there over 20, 30 years and never came back."

Sydney Ottereyes, a local Cree who was part of the Lavoie search party, said the river is downright dangerous.

"It's a complicated river with lots of rocks," said Ottereyes. "In some places, there's plenty of water while elsewhere there's none. The wind comes and there can be up to three currents in the same place."

Lavoie is currently hospitalized in "very serious" condition.




I have heard some really enraged comments about this story the last couple of days.  People have said they would rather eat their own limbs than kill and eat a dog.  Personally, I can't imagine how traumatic and painful it must have been to do that to a creature you share a bond with like that.  I think dogs are intelligent emotional creatures deserving of respect, but I also can't imagine what I might be capable in this guy's situation. 

I know there are some serious dog lovers here, so I wonder what you think.  Could you kill and eat a pet or loved one to survive?  Is all this knuckle biting and beating of chests just self-righteous posturing or was killing this brave innocent dog really just as bad (or worse) then killing a person?


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: Mr Person]
    #19128301 - 11/12/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As tragic as that story is, I think people understand why he did. (Or at least, I assume people should understand why he did it.)

It's weird too. I know so many people who say that they don't care about blood and gore and watching people die on a movie screen, but if a dog dies, then they get upset. Just super dog lovers I guess? It may have something to do with a dog being a symbol of innocence, where as man is generally bogged down with this baggage of life and knowing that that entails.

I hope I'm never in that situation, but to answer your last question, I don't think it's better or worse to kill a cat, a dog, or a human in a completely objective sense. Neither of those animals has a priority order in which they should live. From my perspective though, I guess I'd say killing a human's worst than a dog, but that's just because I have an interest in a humans. (Namely being, that I'm human. :lol:)


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: Mr Person]
    #19128362 - 11/12/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MAN APPARENTLY ATE HIS DOG TO STAY ALIVE IN QUEBEC WOODS

Toronto Sun — Outdoorsman Marco Lavoie, rescued Wednesday after three months in the deep woods near James Bay, made the heartbreaking decision to kill and eat his beloved German shepherd to stay alive.

A source close to the amazing story told QMI Agency that Lavoie, 44, sacrificed his dog when he became stranded at the Nottaway River, roughly 800 km northwest of Montreal.

A bear had eaten Lavoie's food and destroyed his boat in mid-July, leaving him alone with the dog.

A few days after the bear attack, the person who spoke to QMI on condition of anonymity said Lavoie used a rock to kill his dog before eating the pet.

By the time provincial police airlifted him out three months later, Lavoie was barely able to speak or eat. He suffered hypothermia and dehydration and had lost about 90 pounds.

Survival expert Andre Francois Bourbeau said Lavoie did what he could to live.

"He survived because he made ‹good decisions. Eating his dog was one of them," said Bourbeau, author of a survival guide.

Bourbeau has researched hundreds of similar stories, some of which include cannibalism.

"You have to be desperate, but there's no shame in (eating the dog)," said Bourbeau. "He had to use reason."

The survival expert says that after 30 days in the wilderness with no food, Lavoie's body would have gone into shock from starvation.

"Hunger squeezes you so much that you would accept food that's not normally possible," said Bourbeau. "You can crave slugs and bugs."

Lavoie is an experienced hiker who often spent weeks in the wilderness by himself. But the Nottaway River is considered too dangerous even for the hardiest outdoorsmen.

Andre Diamond, a Waswanipi Cree who lives on an island at the mouth of the river, said he warned Lavoie to stay away.

"He said it didn't scare him, but it's not a river to travel alone," said Diamond. "Other adventurers have gone there over 20, 30 years and never came back."

Sydney Ottereyes, a local Cree who was part of the Lavoie search party, said the river is downright dangerous.

"It's a complicated river with lots of rocks," said Ottereyes. "In some places, there's plenty of water while elsewhere there's none. The wind comes and there can be up to three currents in the same place."

Lavoie is currently hospitalized in "very serious" condition.




I have heard some really enraged comments about this story the last couple of days.  People have said they would rather eat their own limbs than kill and eat a dog.  Personally, I can't imagine how traumatic and painful it must have been to do that to a creature you share a bond with like that.  I think dogs are intelligent emotional creatures deserving of respect, but I also can't imagine what I might be capable in this guy's situation. 

I know there are some serious dog lovers here, so I wonder what you think.  Could you kill and eat a pet or loved one to survive?  Is all this knuckle biting and beating of chests just self-righteous posturing or was killing this brave innocent dog really just as bad (or worse) then killing a person?





Look, that dog would have died either way and not likely so quick and relatively painless.  I love dogs way more than people and I could do it.  If he lives he'll feel the pain of having to do it.  But he did right imo.


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: Icelander]
    #19128744 - 11/12/13 09:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My whole life ive never gone without food for more than like a day or so. I cant imagine being that hungry and dehydrated, so I dont know what I would do in that situation. But I would rather die next to my best friend than all alone.


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: Mr Person]
    #19128935 - 11/12/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There isn't enough information in the article render an opinion, and I'm in no place to judge considering the mountain of creatures that have died to feed me.  It does seem odd that he killed the dog after only 'a few days.' With that time frame in mind it reads like a scared, desperate act rather than a compassionate one. The dog was probably better equipped to find more food or locate other humans than he was. 

I lived in an area of India where eating dog is normal, though I never tried it. I was told by one of the locals that sometimes people get attached to their animals (imagine that), so instead of eating them, they'll trade dogs with a neighbor and eat someone else's instead.


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #19129233 - 11/12/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've read conflicting things about how long it was before he ate the dog.  One story said it was only like 3 days after the bear attack that stranded and injured him. Another said the dog allowed him to live an extra week, which makes it seem like it was the week before he was rescued.  It seems funny to me that it would but that makes a huge difference in my mind. 

I know I could fast for weeks if I had to before resorting to eating a pet or companion.  If he turned on this dog who trusted and protected him after only three days of hunger that is just perfectly vile.  If it was a last resort thing that is totally understandable.


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: look_at_the_sky]
    #19129984 - 11/13/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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look_at_the_sky said:
My whole life ive never gone without food for more than like a day or so. I cant imagine being that hungry and dehydrated, so I dont know what I would do in that situation. But I would rather die next to my best friend than all alone.




Well I might choose it also but the fact remains that the dog will likely starve after you do. That or be killed by wild animals. Very few domestic animals can survive in the wild.


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: Mr Person]
    #19129985 - 11/13/13 04:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mr Person said:
I've read conflicting things about how long it was before he ate the dog.  One story said it was only like 3 days after the bear attack that stranded and injured him. Another said the dog allowed him to live an extra week, which makes it seem like it was the week before he was rescued.  It seems funny to me that it would but that makes a huge difference in my mind. 

I know I could fast for weeks if I had to before resorting to eating a pet or companion.  If he turned on this dog who trusted and protected him after only three days of hunger that is just perfectly vile.  If it was a last resort thing that is totally understandable.




Fasting in a warm home and fasting in the wild are two very different things.

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Anyone who has studied wildnerness survival would know that it's much better to feed yourself early on to keep your strength when you might free yourself than to wait until you are fending off death. :shrug: If you put yourself in such a dire situation you would be thinking quite differently than sitting in your warm safe house thinking about how it would be no problem to fast for a couple of weeks.


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: Icelander]
    #19130268 - 11/13/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am a vegetarian, but if necessary, I would have done what he did. :shrug:

It's sad, but sometimes shit happens. Any meat-eaters out there who are criticizing this guy are so full of shit. :haha:


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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: Mr Person]
    #19131075 - 11/13/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sometimes you just want a crispy snack even when you are not starving n the wilderness.



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Re: Man Bites Dog [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19131083 - 11/13/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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