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Psilicon
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19123250 - 11/11/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Never seen a pp5 container in a cowfield?
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Pastywhyte
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Psilicon]
#19123293 - 11/11/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is lots of manure in a cowfield, by that logic maybe anne might reconsider her stance on bulk?  Sorry anne, I gotta admit you haven't been trashing us Amish poo farmers at all lately, but I couldn't resist You can have a freebie on me
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19123318 - 11/11/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn anne is aggravating
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frenchfries
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Gymspawn]
#19123346 - 11/11/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wasn't tryin to start nothin whoops everybody love everybody lol
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Pastywhyte
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Gymspawn]
#19123380 - 11/11/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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To be honest, I usually found her rants amusing. I'm not a new age grower by any means, but there are some aspects to V tek that are appealing. My problem was her bashing of bulkers, especially people that use hpoo. I only use coir/verm and rye spawn for cubes, but I have had several experiments with pan species and I will continue to experiment with them for some time I'm sure. IME pans may not need poo the way it was once thought that they did, but it sure makes it easier Ironically my best pan spawn was done in PP5 containers and I have a theory on why that was, but long story short I now use PP5 for all my pan projects (still prefer glass for cubes and G2G tho).
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anne halonium
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19125182 - 11/12/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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im not against bulkers or bulks as much as peeps think.
most bulkers , its all they know , or can do, as many admit they lack lab skill.
im even comfortable with that.
however,some bulkers frequently try to exceed themselves, and suggest they know more about advanced grow teks, than they do.
its pure bullshit on everyone, when someone says, " i dont use plastics, i dont do grains, i dont use blue lights, i dont bottom water, and i dont use a PC, but , im gonna tell you all about your grow anyway from my armchair, cuz i had a grow kit once"
^cheapens and soils us all.
as for annoying? annoying is lugging a bag of gypsum thru the lobby, past the door man, when i dont feel a need for the stuff at all.
i find it odd, peeps are so concerned with gypsum, when there are like 100 ways to increase a grow, other than that........... better sterile practice alone, would pry do more than all the gypsum you could carry.
not trying to be an enemy here. just trying to spare your labs the gypsum dust.
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Edited by anne halonium (11/12/13 06:43 AM)
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SpitballJedi
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Occasionally, you are mistreated. Unfortunately, you have been "type-cast" and/or "pigeon-holed". I don't like to see this happen to anyone.
But, you have brought it on yourself.
Insults, whether at you or from you, does not advance mycology.
Regardless of what you may think about bulks and monos and such, it is what most of us on this forum do. It works very well and there is plenty of evidence to support it.
You can't walk in to a Christian church on Sunday and start handing out the Qur'an without expecting flack.
Your attitude is why people attack you , even when you say something intelligent.
Change your attitude and you will see a response in kind. A lab and advanced knowledge is not required to enjoy and have great success at this hobby. Stop taking the fun out of fungi.
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Edited by SpitballJedi (11/12/13 07:18 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19125273 - 11/12/13 07:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: A lab and advanced knowledge is not required to enjoy and have great success at this hobby.
i could agree with that part.
but it takes more than a handful of gypsum, and a bulk or 2, to claim expertise over long time lab growers.
weve all seen it. someone grows a bulk or 2, declares expertise, then contams their place with trich , and then tells everyone else how to do things.
no one sane entertains it.
if peeps feel the need for gypsum , fine. i never saw the need.
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SpitballJedi
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anne halonium said: but it takes more than a handful of gypsum, and a bulk or 2, to claim expertise over long time lab growers.
This is where your problem lies. You look at all this as a competition. This is at the heart of the types of statements that brings you so much negative attention.
Nobody is trying to establish dominance over you. As long as you continue to feel the need to defend yourself against domination, you will continue to be attacked.
Your argument here is negated by the fact that you have the same type of arguments and defense against well respected long time growers, not just those who have grown a bulk or two.
As long as you continue with this attitude, you will continue to run in to attacks. Only you can break the cycle, if you want to. You really need to learn to let shit slide. Let people be stupid.
I'm sure this is not the first time you've had this conversation. I doubt I'm telling you anything new. I just find it sad that almost every conversation I've read on this forum, involving you, has turned out the way this one has.
That's all I have to say about it. I am being sincere and wish you the best.
-------------------- The Basics A little civility goes a long way The Noob Forum The Hammock Hangers' Forum
Edited by SpitballJedi (11/12/13 10:25 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19125697 - 11/12/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
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anne halonium said: but it takes more than a handful of gypsum, and a bulk or 2, to claim expertise over long time lab growers.
You look at all this as a competition.
huh? im just bored to literal tears watching noobs slosh shit buckets, and trich out with the same old outdated teks.
peeps with dogma empires, will always hate innovation that makes em look silly.
all the referendum on annies charm, is pure smoke screen for peeps with low skill levels.
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bootster

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I'm doing some LED experiments on shrooms based on the fact that a great number of MJ growers are having this fight about LED vs Sodium Halide, or some other antiquated light technology.
I can predict with some certainty that one day soon, LED will be the light of choice for growers everywhere (when the price drops and technology increases). I want to see one that changes bands when turned on and then peaks in the middle of the day and then goes out with bands that simulates a setting sun.
I think it's doable.
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SpitballJedi
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And the delusion escalates.
If you continue to stand with a clutched fist, your hand will continue to hurt. You must open the hand to release the pain. The first step is to realize you are clutching your fist. My heart goes out to you.
I wish you the best, but my reach appears to be farther than my grasp.
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bootster

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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: bootster]
#19126348 - 11/12/13 01:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They just put me on Morphine because it hurt to clench my fists, unfortunately I couldn't open them either, that's no lie. If Parkinson Disease makes you hurt like I do, I say better living through chemistry.
There may be something deeper here that I must investigate.
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budkatz

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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19126804 - 11/12/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: To be honest, I usually found her rants amusing. I'm not a new age grower by any means, but there are some aspects to V tek that are appealing. My problem was her bashing of bulkers, especially people that use hpoo. I only use coir/verm and rye spawn for cubes, but I have had several experiments with pan species and I will continue to experiment with them for some time I'm sure. IME pans may not need poo the way it was once thought that they did, but it sure makes it easier Ironically my best pan spawn was done in PP5 containers and I have a theory on why that was, but long story short I now use PP5 for all my pan projects (still prefer glass for cubes and G2G tho).
Could you elaborate on the pans and poo per your comment? I would love to see a method that could eliminate the need for poo with pans. Thanks!
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anne halonium
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19127094 - 11/12/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
If you continue to stand with a clutched fist, 
i can understand why you feel peeps surround YOU with clenched fists. ive noted you have anger issues for some time. dont project. your the one surrounded. anyone raising a fist to me, takes a heel to the forehead.
run off and impress us with some gypsum.
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Pastywhyte
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: budkatz]
#19127675 - 11/12/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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budkatz said: Could you elaborate on the pans and poo per your comment? I would love to see a method that could eliminate the need for poo with pans. Thanks!
Sure. Its nothing new as the knowledge that pans can fruit without poo has been around for a while. Usually straw is considered the sub to use if poo cannot be obtained. But They have even been done on cased grains. I plan to try many things with them soon. Just need a few supplies first and Canada Post sux balls. No matter what tho poo does seem make things easier and enjoys a higher success rate.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=30&Number=15578698&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#15578698
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18253136#18253136
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budkatz

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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19127821 - 11/12/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool, good luck! I've seen straw and grain work as well, but nothing seems to work as well as hpoo.
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RogerRabbit
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. . . .
This is the typical bad information we've come to expect from you. I doubt you've ever seen WBS or a pressure cooker in a cow field either, but the rest of us use them.
I don't know of a single commercial mushroom farm in the world which doesn't add gypsum to substrates, whether it's compost, manure or sawdust. I seriously doubt they're all following 'hype' from the shroomery.  RR
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: RogerRabbit] 1
#19127952 - 11/12/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RR, can we ever expect a perma ban on this person? Enough's enough already.
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Re: gypsum for soaking rye berry? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19128185 - 11/12/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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anne halonium said:
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frenchfries said: some people are adding gypsum to the water while soaking their grains.
35 yrs . never used gypsum once.
never saw any actual data gypsum does anything. never saw gypsum in a cow field. . . .
This is the typical bad information we've come to expect from you. I doubt you've ever seen WBS or a pressure cooker in a cow field either, but the rest of us use them.
I don't know of a single commercial mushroom farm in the world which doesn't add gypsum to substrates, whether it's compost, manure or sawdust. I seriously doubt they're all following 'hype' from the shroomery.  RR
thank u rr for settling this I rly wasn't trying to start a fight I just wanted some info. from my shroomery homies luv yall
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