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Turkey tail extract question
    #19127580 - 11/12/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I remember reading and the videos on turkey tails for cancer immune booster,  Ive realized turkey tails grow all around here normally...

Is there a easy way to extract them down to capsule form, as stamets used in the videos. thanks


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: bakenast]
    #19127894 - 11/12/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Grinding into a powder and eating is the best way to use. Heating is not necessary if you powder it. You are guaranteed to get everything that's there that way. Otherwise do a double extraction alcohol then boiling water decoction.


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19129895 - 11/13/13 03:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

what about bho extract on medicinals or co2 extraction?


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Mushmitch]
    #19154547 - 11/18/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well i realize all our turkey tail logs the mushrooms are past due, do you know anywhere that sells dried turkey tails? so i could just ground my own and put in caps


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: bakenast]
    #19154805 - 11/18/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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do you know anywhere that sells dried turkey tails? so i could just ground my own and put in caps



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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: skullphuxxx]
    #19170018 - 11/21/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

mushmitch really?

bakenast I order my supplements and extracts from fungi perfecti. they are expensive but I'm more confident about their potency and legitimacy than other medicinal mushroom providers. I'm not sure about aloha medicnals and if they have turkey tail for sale but they are highly recommended for their cordyceps.

And if you really want a cheap quality product make some sawdust blocks.


Edited by TheBoomking (11/21/13 01:04 PM)


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19171290 - 11/21/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Amanita virosa said:
Grinding into a powder and eating is the best way to use. Heating is not necessary if you powder it. You are guaranteed to get everything that's there that way. Otherwise do a double extraction alcohol then boiling water decoction.




There seems to be some disagreement on this. Here's a link to a thread I made a little while back, and was recently resurrected.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17474567

At this point, Im not sure what to think.


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19172469 - 11/21/13 08:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Amanita virosa said:
Grinding into a powder and eating is the best way to use. Heating is not necessary if you powder it. You are guaranteed to get everything that's there that way. Otherwise do a double extraction alcohol then boiling water decoction.




There seems to be some disagreement on this. Here's a link to a thread I made a little while back, and was recently resurrected.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17474567

At this point, Im not sure what to think.



If you powder the fruit bodies then you are mechanically breaking down the chitin cell walls and effectively releasing everything inside the cells. At that point you can consume them however you want. The reason that aloha heat treats their Myc is due to FDA health regs. I have never seen any literature regarding heat "activating" any chemical constituents.  Eating powdered fruit bodies ensures you are getting all soluble and insoluble compounds.


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: TheBoomking]
    #19172542 - 11/21/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Boomking really are you suggesting eating sawdust?..


whats wrong with the idea of bho or some other cold extraction method...?


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Mushmitch]
    #19172716 - 11/21/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Boomking really are you suggesting eating sawdust?..


whats wrong with the idea of bho or some other cold extraction method...?



Some 1,3 beta glucans are insoluble in water and alcohol so you could never get them by extraction


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19173114 - 11/21/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

because its used primarily to bind with thc and make hash oil - and as far as I'm concerned has no use for extracting the "medicinal" compounds out of fungi - like such as our above friend stated. I could be wrong I'm no expert...

and no Im recommending making T. versicolor sawdust blocks so the op could have access to fresh turkey tail year round


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19173347 - 11/22/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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wildernessjunkie said:
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Amanita virosa said:
Grinding into a powder and eating is the best way to use. Heating is not necessary if you powder it. You are guaranteed to get everything that's there that way. Otherwise do a double extraction alcohol then boiling water decoction.




There seems to be some disagreement on this. Here's a link to a thread I made a little while back, and was recently resurrected.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17474567

At this point, Im not sure what to think.



If you powder the fruit bodies then you are mechanically breaking down the chitin cell walls and effectively releasing everything inside the cells. At that point you can consume them however you want. The reason that aloha heat treats their Myc is due to FDA health regs. I have never seen any literature regarding heat "activating" any chemical constituents.  Eating powdered fruit bodies ensures you are getting all soluble and insoluble compounds.




I'm confused on this one too... what you're saying makes sense AV, but I have read literature on heat being necessary.  There was a study with chaga where it was found ineffective when only steeped in warm water not boiled, in Christopher Hobbs Medicinal Mushrooms.  I'm fairly certain I can find references in other books I have where they say heat is necessary as well... although I could be mistaken/confused (as could the authors).

I don't know, I'm half way to agreeing with you, but I'm not convinced just yet.  I mean, can you be sure that powdering the fruit body is breaking down the mushroom on a cellular level?


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Forrester]
    #19174536 - 11/22/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

even if it is breaking it down on the cellular level and your body has access to the compounds perhaps heat causes chemical transformation of some of the compounds involved? in other words heat might be neccessary for more than just breaking up the chitinous walls. Just speculation here though


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Forrester]
    #19174637 - 11/22/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Amanita virosa said:
Grinding into a powder and eating is the best way to use. Heating is not necessary if you powder it. You are guaranteed to get everything that's there that way. Otherwise do a double extraction alcohol then boiling water decoction.




There seems to be some disagreement on this. Here's a link to a thread I made a little while back, and was recently resurrected.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17474567

At this point, Im not sure what to think.



If you powder the fruit bodies then you are mechanically breaking down the chitin cell walls and effectively releasing everything inside the cells. At that point you can consume them however you want. The reason that aloha heat treats their Myc is due to FDA health regs. I have never seen any literature regarding heat "activating" any chemical constituents.  Eating powdered fruit bodies ensures you are getting all soluble and insoluble compounds.




I'm confused on this one too... what you're saying makes sense AV, but I have read literature on heat being necessary.  There was a study with chaga where it was found ineffective when only steeped in warm water not boiled, in Christopher Hobbs Medicinal Mushrooms.  I'm fairly certain I can find references in other books I have where they say heat is necessary as well... although I could be mistaken/confused (as could the authors).

I don't know, I'm half way to agreeing with you, but I'm not convinced just yet.  I mean, can you be sure that powdering the fruit body is breaking down the mushroom on a cellular level?



I suppose it depends on how finely you grind them up.  When I say powder, I mean the consistancy of flour.  I run them thru a hammer mill designed to make flour out of grain.  i would imagine that the finer you grind them the more likely you are to completely tear the walls.  Keep in mind that fungal cells are quite large.  Maybe it would make sense to agree that the BEST thing you could do would be to powder them, boil them in water, and then drink them down.  :shrug:


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19175766 - 11/22/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Amanita virosa said:
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wildernessjunkie said:
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Amanita virosa said:
Grinding into a powder and eating is the best way to use. Heating is not necessary if you powder it. You are guaranteed to get everything that's there that way. Otherwise do a double extraction alcohol then boiling water decoction.




There seems to be some disagreement on this. Here's a link to a thread I made a little while back, and was recently resurrected.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17474567

At this point, Im not sure what to think.



If you powder the fruit bodies then you are mechanically breaking down the chitin cell walls and effectively releasing everything inside the cells. At that point you can consume them however you want. The reason that aloha heat treats their Myc is due to FDA health regs. I have never seen any literature regarding heat "activating" any chemical constituents.  Eating powdered fruit bodies ensures you are getting all soluble and insoluble compounds.




just seen this grinding them into powder without having to heat or freeze dry sure will make it easier and cheaper...


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19176781 - 11/22/13 10:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I suppose it depends on how finely you grind them up.  When I say powder, I mean the consistancy of flour.  I run them thru a hammer mill designed to make flour out of grain.  i would imagine that the finer you grind them the more likely you are to completely tear the walls.  Keep in mind that fungal cells are quite large.  Maybe it would make sense to agree that the BEST thing you could do would be to powder them, boil them in water, and then drink them down.  :shrug:




Yeah I'll definitely agree on that.  All I have is a coffee grinder, so stuff like chaga gets to a real fine powder but other stuff it's just real small pieces, definitely not flour like!  Then there's turkey tails, which pretty much turn to cotton. 

So for a mycelium extraction, assuming you get it fairly well powdered would you think the heat of the food dehydrator would be enough to make it fairly digestable?  (That and the fact that it's mycelium, not a tough fruit body)

Also, just out of curiosity how much did a mill like that run you?  That would be awesome for mushrooms AND to be able to actually make flour out of grain...


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: leschampignons]
    #19176908 - 11/22/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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even if it is breaking it down on the cellular level and your body has access to the compounds perhaps heat causes chemical transformation of some of the compounds involved? in other words heat might be neccessary for more than just breaking up the chitinous walls. Just speculation here though




It could, for sure.  With medicinal mushrooms we're dealing with a large number of compounds which all could have different properties.  The chaga study I mentioned didn't give a lot of information as to how well they ground it, or anything else.  So I'm not sure if it was a "heat effecting some compound" issue, or a "we threw giant chaga chunks in cold water and it didn't work" issue.  I mean who knows :shrug:


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Forrester]
    #19179018 - 11/23/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I suppose it depends on how finely you grind them up.  When I say powder, I mean the consistancy of flour.  I run them thru a hammer mill designed to make flour out of grain.  i would imagine that the finer you grind them the more likely you are to completely tear the walls.  Keep in mind that fungal cells are quite large.  Maybe it would make sense to agree that the BEST thing you could do would be to powder them, boil them in water, and then drink them down.  :shrug:




Yeah I'll definitely agree on that.  All I have is a coffee grinder, so stuff like chaga gets to a real fine powder but other stuff it's just real small pieces, definitely not flour like!  Then there's turkey tails, which pretty much turn to cotton. 



So for a mycelium extraction, assuming you get it fairly well powdered would you think the heat of the food dehydrator would be enough to make it fairly digestable?  (That and the fact that it's mycelium, not a tough fruit body)

Also, just out of curiosity how much did a mill like that run you?  That would be awesome for mushrooms AND to be able to actually make flour out of grain...



I have a nice hand crank hammer mill that was my grandfathers. I have know idea what they cost. Small electric ones are prolly a couple hundred dollars.


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19179950 - 11/23/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

so running through a coffee grinder isint good enough?


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Re: Turkey tail extract question [Re: bakenast]
    #19180017 - 11/23/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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so running through a coffee grinder isint good enough?




For turkey tails?  Eh, it's debatable as you've probably noticed :wink:

When I run them through my coffee grinder I'm still left with a lot of chunks and a ton of fuzzy/cotton-like matter.  Maybe the cell walls are broken down at that point, maybe not.  I'm sure you'll get something out of them but will you get the most you could if you used alcohol/heat?  Probably not.


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