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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Alexestalex] 2
#19126958 - 11/12/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alexestalex said: So I have a lot of acid-head friends who absolutely hate the concept of capitalism and seem to make really ignorant comments about how it limits our freedom, kills our creativity, makes us into zombies, and so forth. They also get riled up about how much money our government spends on expanding our army, buying high-tech weaponry, and so forth. I have a few serious questions for anybody who thinks this way:
(1) Do you value the concept of stability? Let me begin by saying that people are FUCKING crazy. This to me is fact. I've studied history and the sheer frequency of land being conquered is astounding. It's like a never ending loop: conquer land, burn it to the ground, kill EVERY SINGLE inhabitant brutally, RINSE AND REPEAT. It's disgusting, abhorable and mind-blowing that rational human beings have gone to these extremes. I don't think we appreciate the protection we get by living in a country like the United States, I feel like the lot of us just take it for granted.
(2) You can leave anytime, can't you? If you think life is about living in a forest, drinking ayehuasca, and connecting with nature, more power to you! You do not have to be part of this system nor does the system force you to be a part of it.
(3) Is your privacy an issue? This comment usually baffles me. If you have nothing illegal to hide, what are you worried about? If you DO have something to hide and are doing something wrong, don't you deserve to be caught?
I was going to be on your side, but then I read your statement (3)
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: NotTheDevil] 1
#19127014 - 11/12/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The people that hate capitalism are the same ones trying to get over on everyone else and be lap sponges.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: mpd]
#19127111 - 11/12/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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People hate capitalism because they are poor and jealous of the rich
Rich people fucking love capitalism
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Patlal]
#19127150 - 11/12/13 04:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: People hate capitalism because they are poor and jealous of the rich
Rich people fucking love capitalism
I'm not rich and I love capitalism
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19127219 - 11/12/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nicechrisman said: Because they are disillusioned with their life.
I and thought about the episode of south park where Cartman was hunting hippies. Stan, Kyle and Kenny met these suuper liberal hippies and they said something like," The corporations just want to use you to be there little ikemans and sell what they want and keep all the money" 
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Patlal said: People hate capitalism because they are poor and jealous of the rich
Rich people fucking love capitalism
I'm not rich and I love capitalism
I also am not rich and I think Capitalism is the corner stone of The American dream. Tons of immigrants throughout history have come to this country for these very values, the idea that someone can start a business one day work hard and turn it into a real company/corporation is Very appealing to a lot of people.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Gilgamesh18] 3
#19127231 - 11/12/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because it has tremendous flaws, just like every other economicmodel thought up since the dawn of man.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19127248 - 11/12/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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Patlal said: People hate capitalism because they are poor and jealous of the rich
Rich people fucking love capitalism
I'm not rich and I love capitalism
Liar.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Gilgamesh18] 4
#19127265 - 11/12/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the biggest issue with capitalism is that it results in this HUGE gap between the rich and the poor. and over the past few decades this gap has continued to grow (the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer).
it's gotten to the point where alot of people put in their mandatory 40hrs a week and STILL don't make a living wage. even if they're SINGLE, without kids. i think it's cool that people can become rich as fuck in capitalist countries, but there should be some sort of income cap in place so that the wealthy don't leech the entire nation out of capital.
people living in multi-million dollar mansions while other people starve is kind of fucked up if you ask me....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States
Edited by resonant111 (11/12/13 04:31 PM)
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: The Ecstatic] 5
#19127314 - 11/12/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the problem with capitalism is that anyone who is at the very top can control a large portion of the country. money makes the countries go round. it also makes the laws, and it can break them and get away with them. any psycho path can get rich and end up owning ur ass and doing shit his way. is that what you capitalists supporters want?.. u want psycho paths running ur country.. because they already do.. thank you capitalism.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Gilgamesh18] 2
#19127339 - 11/12/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's a flawed system like any other. The biggest problem I see with it is that we sacrifice every aspect society, ourselves and our relationship with the earth, in the pursuit of profit. Manufactoring and producing so much useless crap. Transporting it around the world. So much waste.
Everythings made for profit, ie. to appeal to the mass market (morons?). The only reason we have celebrities, pop culture and all that other shit is because of capitalism. The reason why MTV turned to shit? Capitalism. Justin Beiber and other talentless little fucktards like him? Capitalism. I don't need to go on.
It's a system that rewards ruthlessness and selfishness, instead of compassion and courage. It spawns object fetishism and vain pursuits of material wealth. Anyone who thinks it's great is misguided or is benefitting tremendously from it. It's completley unsustainable and it's destroying our planet. But apparently its the best system we've come up with so guess we're stuck with it for the time being eh?
Jacque Fresco and Terence Mckenna have the wisest words to say on the subject imo.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: zZZz] 1
#19127358 - 11/12/13 04:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it just sucks because most people just want basic things, while the filthy-rich people just make it that much harder for them to obtain basic necessities by taking such a big slice of the pie.
i met this homeless dude in chicago a few weeks ago who did AMAZING card magic and he was one of the coolest people i've ever met. poor as hell, but a heart of gold. when you meet people like that, it just makes you feel sick that our species is so cruel to those with very little....
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: resonant111]
#19127499 - 11/12/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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resonant111 said: the biggest issue with capitalism is that it results in this HUGE gap between the rich and the poor. and over the past few decades this gap has continued to grow (the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer).
it's gotten to the point where alot of people put in their mandatory 40hrs a week and STILL don't make a living wage. even if they're SINGLE, without kids. i think it's cool that people can become rich as fuck in capitalist countries, but there should be some sort of income cap in place so that the wealthy don't leech the entire nation out of capital.
people living in multi-million dollar mansions while other people starve is kind of fucked up if you ask me....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States
There is no fixed amount of wealth Bill Gates did not steal his 60 billion dollars he created value in a company which before did not exist.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19127523 - 11/12/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: There is no fixed amount of wealth Bill Gates did not steal his 60 billion dollars he created value in a company which before did not exist.
I realize that alot of multi-billionaires played the capitalist game very well and ended up getting paid off big time for doing so.
It just sucks that the gap between those super-rich people and starving people is so big. Yea, I wouldn't be using this computer without Bill Gates...it's still not fair that he has so much while others struggle to survive. There are lots of hard-working people who don't even make enough to get by...and that's just not cool.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Patlal]
#19127528 - 11/12/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patlal said: People hate capitalism because they are poor and jealous of the rich
Rich people fucking love capitalism
Not just the rich. Consumers love it and anybody with anything to contribute loves it. Losers hate it.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: resonant111]
#19127540 - 11/12/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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resonant111 said:
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Gilgamesh18 said: There is no fixed amount of wealth Bill Gates did not steal his 60 billion dollars he created value in a company which before did not exist.
I realize that alot of multi-billionaires played the capitalist game very well and ended up getting paid off big time for doing so.
It just sucks that the gap between those super-rich people and starving people is so big. Yea, I wouldn't be using this computer without Bill Gates...it's still not fair that he has so much while others struggle to survive. There are lots of hard-working people who don't even make enough to get by...and that's just not cool.
Life isn't fair man and I think attempts to level the playing field aka socialism are the wrong way to go about fixing societal issues. Mainly due to the fact the best and brightest are penalized under it and it removes motivations to work.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: resonant111]
#19127554 - 11/12/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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people hate capitalism because they have been conditioned by a generation of single mother households, media, and a regimented public school system to be dependent, take little to no initiative and responsibility for their lives, to be whiners and complainers that blame every shortcoming or obstacle present in their lives on some external source (capitalism, white male Christians, laws they disagree with, whatever).
people hate capitalism because they parrot the media and hate critical thinking - it's much easier to digest bullshit talking points. We listen to the drivel of the media octopus and its many tentacles instead which collectively despises freedom, autonomy, initiative, and a conscious/informed/aware public.
The argument that people hate capitalism is interestingly, though, as America is not capitalist, we are socialist and fascist. Whatever remains of our republic is labeled capitalist and evil. Instead of a nice bell curve of wealth distribution which is both broad and deep, we'll have a flat line of wealth distribution which is merely broad and shallow.
Incentive will flatline, and smart people will leave the country in droves as excelling isn't rewarded anymore. Blacks get hired for being black. Women get hired just for being women. Would you want a doctor who knew what the fuck he was doing? Or a doctor that was hired because they were a benefactor of affirmative action?
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19127556 - 11/12/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Capitalism is fair
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: resonant111]
#19127561 - 11/12/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are lots of hard-working people who don't even make enough to get by...and that's just not cool.
Maybe they should find a different line of work, or not have 3 children on a $40,000 per year salary.
If you want to be a chef or a farmer you should be conscious of the fact that you're going to make less money than a marketing analyst or a doctor.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#19127562 - 11/12/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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Patlal said: People hate capitalism because they are poor and jealous of the rich
Rich people fucking love capitalism
Not just the rich. Consumers love it and anybody with anything to contribute loves it. Losers hate it.
There are a large number of people who contribute to capitalistic society day in and day out, yet get *very little* in return for their efforts. Anyone who works 40 hours plus a week deserves a living wage, especially if they are single and have not burdened society by having children they can't afford to raise. If that *one* requirement was fulfilled, i would have no beef with capitalism, whatsoever.
i guess i'm speaking for myself here, because i graduated college, work my ass off day in and day out (run the entire office for a local company, scheduling, payroll, accounts payable/receivable, everything...BY MYSELF) and still don't make enough to even *consider* living on my own. there are lots of people who make more in a day than i do in a week. i find that slightly unfair...and because i'm a recent college grad i have to stay at this shit fucking job to "gain experience."
so yea, alot of my theory is colored by my personal economic failures in this system. (which is odd because i've succeeded in EVERYTHING i've done...from school to the jobs i've held). i just find it shitty that i've worked my ass off my whole life in school and work and have nothing to show for it, financially speaking. it really kills me inside...i'm young and all i do is worry about money, cuz i have none and i'm not sure when i ever will.
WHOA IS ME.
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Re: Why do people hate capitalism? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19127564 - 11/12/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it isn't always fair. im sure there's a bunch of cheaters who got to the top by lying, cheating, or even killing..
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