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cronicr



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Panaeolus Oliveaceus 1
#19127123 - 11/12/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well after asking around i started researching and believe the pans i found to be oliveaceus growing in the grassy areas got about 25 prints left and i got some better pics coming soon, gotta get another camera out there, mine broke



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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: cronicr]
#19127137 - 11/12/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Looks promising... Any pics of spore prints?
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cronicr



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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: cronicr]
#19127170 - 11/12/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't you need microscopy to get to that ID?
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cronicr



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YES I DO! HELP! lol but seriuosly if someone can/is willing to that would rock!
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Byrain

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Its possible.
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RiverDweller1 said: Don't you need microscopy to get to that ID?
Maybe, its a good macro match, but I don't know P. fimicola very well... Its probably not P. cinctulus and I'm not sure what else we could consider without keying it out in Gerhardt's keys which requires micro.
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cronicr



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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: Byrain]
#19127853 - 11/12/13 06:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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well it's on agar already regardless lol!
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: cronicr]
#19127873 - 11/12/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I really think those are P. fimicola. The really dark pin gives it away, and I wish I could see those bottom two photos more clearly. OP can you try and repost those last two photos larger? They look very similar to the "turf mottlegills" I find here in North Georgia. They grow all over sodded lawns in the late summer/autumn.
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: Hashfinger]
#19128004 - 11/12/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it was the greyish black description of the spores that lead me away from p.fimicola, never seen it before though so i can't say what greyish/black is/ thiis looks as black as black gets
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: cronicr]
#19128034 - 11/12/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: it was the greyish black description of the spores that lead me away from p.fimicola, never seen it before though so i can't say what greyish/black is/ thiis looks as black as black gets
I'd describe it as charcoal black, yes. Same for P. cinctulus pretty much. Subgenus Copelandia probably has a more blackish-purple cast to it.
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: Hashfinger]
#19131569 - 11/13/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok well when i went and looked at the pins popping up some are backish but others a foot away or so are a greyish/brownish/tan color, maybe a couple diffrent species? as long as the prints are black i'm dealing with an active pan though right?(i realize both olives/fimicolas are weak)
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: cronicr]
#19132203 - 11/13/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: ok well when i went and looked at the pins popping up some are backish but others a foot away or so are a greyish/brownish/tan color, maybe a couple diffrent species? as long as the prints are black i'm dealing with an active pan though right?(i realize both olives/fimicolas are weak)
Yes black spore print confirms they are not Panaeolina foenisecii.
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: Hashfinger]
#19398844 - 01/10/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Delection said: And here they are under the scope, sorry about the quality - my other camera had a defect on the sensor/lens? and I am using a shitty 640x480 cam right now.

does that help! i had one local guy check a print and he said fimicola
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: cronicr]
#19398860 - 01/10/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Delection said: And here they are under the scope, sorry about the quality - my other camera had a defect on the sensor/lens? and I am using a shitty 640x480 cam right now.

does that help! i had one local guy check a print and he said fimicola
That is not enough microscopy for an accurate ID. We would need to see what are called sulphidia. Or only 4 pronged basidia I guess...
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Byrain

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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: cronicr]
#19398868 - 01/10/14 12:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can't identify Panaeolus species from just spores, do they have sulphidia on the gill face? Is the germ pore oblique in the side view? What does the cheilocystidia look like? As far as I am aware, basidia are only useful with Copelandia, but it doesn't hurt to take note if its 4 or 2 spored.
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: Byrain]
#19560454 - 02/13/14 07:31 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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Byrain said: You can't identify Panaeolus species from just spores, do they have sulphidia on the gill face? Is the germ pore oblique in the side view? What does the cheilocystidia look like? As far as I am aware, basidia are only useful with Copelandia, but it doesn't hurt to take note if its 4 or 2 spored.
This species has now been grown out and samples where sent to Joust. He reported sulphidia and is leaning towards fimicola.
Here are a few pictures of them:








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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19500788/fpart/1/vc/1
If you (Byrain only) are interested in some samples for microscopy, let me know.
Edited by MacMerdin (02/13/14 07:49 AM)
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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: MacMerdin]
#19560588 - 02/13/14 08:41 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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This whole Pan thing is too confusing. Those like perfect examples of P cinctulus.
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psylosymonreturns said: This whole Pan thing is too confusing. Those like perfect examples of P cinctulus. 
The way the cap planes out and the gills, they really remind me of the P. fimicola I found in GA in sod plantings.
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Byrain

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Re: Panaeolus Oliveaceus [Re: MacMerdin]
#19560895 - 02/13/14 10:29 AM (10 years, 12 days ago) |
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MacMerdin said: This species has now been grown out and samples where sent to Joust. He reported sulphidia and is leaning towards fimicola.
Where is Joust's micro?
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MadMuncher


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psylosymonreturns said: This whole Pan thing is too confusing. Those like perfect examples of P cinctulus. 
I almost agree but The gills aren't right for cinticulus.
Im interested to see what this comes out to. I think ive seen similar species along the columbia river but then again.....
Fuckin pans
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