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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods]
    #19126917 - 11/12/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm not going to read though this entire thread, but if it hasn't been mentioned, circumscision significantly  slightly reduces the transmission rate of HIV. But condoms are much more effective anyway.



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62% is not insignificant.




One study was 63%, one was 48%, & one was 53%, that is pretty significant.

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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19126922 - 11/12/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's less then 1% of world population

most people get it from sharing needles anyway


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19126925 - 11/12/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mjmihalov said:
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koods said:
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NotTheDevil said:
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koods said:
I'm not going to read though this entire thread, but if it hasn't been mentioned, circumscision significantly  slightly reduces the transmission rate of HIV. But condoms are much more effective anyway.



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62% is not insignificant.




One study was 63%, one was 48%, & one was 53%, that is pretty significant.

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NotTheDevil said:
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koods said:
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NotTheDevil said:
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koods said:
I'm not going to read though this entire thread, but if it hasn't been mentioned, circumscision significantly  slightly reduces the transmission rate of HIV. But condoms are much more effective anyway.



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62% is not insignificant.



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A meta-analysis of the African randomised controlled trials found that the risk in circumcised males was 0.44 times that in uncircumcised males, and reported that 72 circumcisions would need to be performed to prevent one HIV infection. The authors also stated that using circumcision as a means to reduce HIV infection would, on a national level, require consistently safe sexual practices to maintain the protective benefit.[9]



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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-1293.2008.00596.x/abstract




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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19126934 - 11/12/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Risk is .44 of uncircumsized male. That is a huge reduction. I'm not sure what you don't understand about the word significant.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods]
    #19126938 - 11/12/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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God, uncircumcised guys are way too sensitive about their freak dicks.



Wait, your calling people who didn't have a part of their penis' amputated, and who form a large majority of people, Freaks?


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods]
    #19126941 - 11/12/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Risk is .44 of uncircumsized male. That is a huge reduction. I'm not sure what you don't understand about the word significant.



A meta-analysis of the African randomised controlled trials found that the risk in circumcised males was 0.44 times that in uncircumcised males, and reported that 72 circumcisions would need to be performed to prevent one HIV infection. The authors also stated that using circumcision as a means to reduce HIV infection would, on a national level, require consistently safe sexual practices to maintain the protective benefit.[9]


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #19126955 - 11/12/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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God, uncircumcised guys are way too sensitive about their freak dicks.



Wait, your calling people who didn't have a part of their penis' amputated, and who form a large majority of people, Freaks?





I'm joking. My last boyfriend was uncircumsized. I actually don't care one way or the other.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #19126964 - 11/12/13 03:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol science


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #19126967 - 11/12/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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lol science



:havesomescience:
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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #19126975 - 11/12/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

okay well start with 72 circumcisms, that stops one person from getting aids, then they would've transmitted it to three people, then all three of them would've transmitted it to 3 other people, and so on, when you look at it like that it saves more than 72 people from getting aids in no time...


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19126976 - 11/12/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Risk is .44 of uncircumsized male. That is a huge reduction. I'm not sure what you don't understand about the word significant.



A meta-analysis of the African randomised controlled trials found that the risk in circumcised males was 0.44 times that in uncircumcised males, and reported that 72 circumcisions would need to be performed to prevent one HIV infection. The authors also stated that using circumcision as a means to reduce HIV infection would, on a national level, require consistently safe sexual practices to maintain the protective benefit.[9]




I've never met an alysis.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods]
    #19126991 - 11/12/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
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koods said:
Risk is .44 of uncircumsized male. That is a huge reduction. I'm not sure what you don't understand about the word significant.



A meta-analysis of the African randomised controlled trials found that the risk in circumcised males was 0.44 times that in uncircumcised males, and reported that 72 circumcisions would need to be performed to prevent one HIV infection. The authors also stated that using circumcision as a means to reduce HIV infection would, on a national level, require consistently safe sexual practices to maintain the protective benefit.[9]




I've never met an alysis.



Are you trying to call me stupid by saying a i spelled "analysis" wrong, or did you accidentally spell it wrong?

Edit: nevermind I got it now.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods] * 1
    #19126992 - 11/12/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

My meta analysis: There would be no AIDS if it weren't for horny uncut guys. :shrug:


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods]
    #19127003 - 11/12/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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My meta analysis: There would be no AIDS if it weren't for horny uncut guys. :shrug:




my guess is joking though


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods] * 1
    #19127007 - 11/12/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2919808/

My first boyfriend's husband is the lead author of this study.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods] * 3
    #19127035 - 11/12/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

why is it that circumcision for males is okay but for females it's some terrible crime against humanity?


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: koods]
    #19127036 - 11/12/13 03:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2919808/

My first boyfriend's husband is the lead author of this study.



As would make sense, because squirting hiv filled fluid into a mucous membrane is a very high risk for HIV and removing a flap of specialized skin should only have a small effect on transmission rated, where as in female to male it is possible for the foreskin to trap some HIV, and also since the glans of uncircumcised men are uncalloused they are also mucous membranes where HIV could get in.

conclusion: Don't listen to the old pope, just where a F**king condom!

Edit: autocorrect is wrong


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: NotTheDevil] * 2
    #19127045 - 11/12/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is nothing more precious then a freshly kept newborn baby dick


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: Konyap] * 2
    #19127054 - 11/12/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I should have mentioned the risk reduction is for the person with the dick.


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Re: Should I ask my friend to NOT circumcise his baby? [Re: rohr] * 1
    #19127059 - 11/12/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Goldeneye, 5thelement, I'm really happy for you that you don't mind that a piece of your penis was cut off when you were born. Whether males are happy with their penis no matter what, or whether it's some reaction to protect themselves psychologically from the torment of knowing they are mutilated, it doesn't really matter because you are happy and that's great. A lot of males are extremely unhappy that they were put through the procedure, it's really very sad and a very unfortunate side effect. So you guys are lucky that you can live with and cope with it just fine.

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Man... awkward and weird subject.

It'd be one thing if it were like when I was born with over 80% of babies getting snipped... but...

It's a minority now. And it's not as though the disadvantaged get anything cool to compensate with. My friend has a baby boy due any day now.

So, here's the question: do you guys think I should or shouldn't ask him to NOT circumcise his baby boy?



Again, it'd be something totally different if that were the "norm" right now/the boy would be in the majority for being cut. That said, that's not the case and I'm wondering if I should chime in. :shrug:


AAaaaawwwkward.....




If it were my friend, I would ask if they are going to choose to circumcise him. If your friend says yes, ask him why. When he gives you all the false beliefs that make people want to mutilate their sons (cleaner, lessens the chances of getting AIDS, etc.) fill him in with the facts. But do it politely. And if he gets offended, just reassure him you are only looking out for what's best for the child because you care and have done research on the subject and just want to make sure he doesn't make an uninformed decision that will affect the poor baby for the rest of his life.




Getting circumsised is cleaner, maybe not substantially but it is a little cleaner, and I doubt to many people are really that stupid that they think having a foreskin increasing you're chance of getting aids.

I am circumsized and I'm happy about it.

It is not OPs place to even be worrying about this or to bring it up honestly.




It's a myth that circumcised penis is not as clean, or not as easy to clean than an intact one, my friend. If you don't wash ANY part of your body on a regular basis, it's going to get nasty. That doesn't mean you should amputate that body part. It's lunacy to think that amputation is a reasonable reaction to the thought that "oh, it might get dirty if they don't take a shower everyday." And a member mentioned earlier in this very thread that they believed circumcision lessens the risk of getting an STD. People still buy into that outrageous claim, believe it or not.

I believe that the OP has a right to inform his friend of facts that he has reason to believe his friend may not be aware of, so his friend doesn't make a decision he later regrets, or even worse, so that the child of his friend doesn't grow up like so many other males: hating his parents for mutilating their gentials for no sane reason.





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Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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