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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126446 - 11/12/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: I would say that a smaller government would be even more likely to be overtaken by the wealthy than a larger one. I guess it also depends on how you define "tiny government."
Rich people or corporations don't run society though the state does and it collects your wealth through taxes to fund itself. If you dislike a business you can boycott it. You can not however successfully boycott taxes and get away with it. A small state allows individuals to truly pursue there own dreams without being crushed by the collective.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126453 - 11/12/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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if the government was smaller wouldn't it matter less if politics were involved?
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19126459 - 11/12/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Rich people or corporations don't run society though the state does and it collects your wealth through taxes to fund itself. If you dislike a business you can boycott it. You can not however successfully boycott taxes and get away with it. A small state allows individuals to truly pursue there own dreams without being crushed by the collective.
If you take away government, you will be left with private interests filling the role, and usually private interests are only interested in making themselves more money.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126463 - 11/12/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Rich people or corporations don't run society though the state does and it collects your wealth through taxes to fund itself. If you dislike a business you can boycott it. You can not however successfully boycott taxes and get away with it. A small state allows individuals to truly pursue there own dreams without being crushed by the collective.
If you take away government, you will be left with private interests filling the role, and usually private interests are only interested in making themselves more money.
who said anyone wanted to take away the government?
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126466 - 11/12/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Rich people or corporations don't run society though the state does and it collects your wealth through taxes to fund itself. If you dislike a business you can boycott it. You can not however successfully boycott taxes and get away with it. A small state allows individuals to truly pursue there own dreams without being crushed by the collective.
If you take away government, you will be left with private interests filling the role, and usually private interests are only interested in making themselves more money.
And so what how is that bad private entities are more efficient. Also to clarify I am not an anarchist I support a small limited government.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19126524 - 11/12/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You have no historical perspective. Most of the state involvement you rail against so much was instituted because corporations and wealth were running rampant. Time and time again big business has proven that it does not check itself. It pushes for its own benefit regardless of who it hurts, up to, and often past, any boundaries we create. Government policies aren't created in a vacuum, they're attempts to solve real problems.
You cannot petition a corporation to stop dumping toxic waste into your well water, they would just laugh at you. You can however vote in representation that will regulate that business into doing so.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Lynnch] 1
#19126584 - 11/12/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: You have no historical perspective. Most of the state involvement you rail against so much was instituted because corporations and wealth were running rampant. Time and time again big business has proven that it does not check itself. It pushes for its own benefit regardless of who it hurts, up to, and often past, any boundaries we create. Government policies aren't created in a vacuum, they're attempts to solve real problems.
You cannot petition a corporation to stop dumping toxic waste into your well water, they would just laugh at you. You can however vote in representation that will regulate that business into doing so.
The fundamental goal of environmentalists is not clean air and clean water; rather it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization. Their goal is not the advancement of human health, human happiness, and human life; rather it is a subhuman world where “nature” is worshiped like the totem of some primitive religion.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19126590 - 11/12/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That is idiotic.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Lynnch]
#19126604 - 11/12/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lynnch said: That is idiotic.
I agree environmentalists are morons
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19126608 - 11/12/13 02:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: The fundamental goal of environmentalists is not clean air and clean water; rather it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization. Their goal is not the advancement of human health, human happiness, and human life; rather it is a subhuman world where “nature” is worshiped like the totem of some primitive religion.

Uh, what?
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126620 - 11/12/13 02:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: The fundamental goal of environmentalists is not clean air and clean water; rather it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization. Their goal is not the advancement of human health, human happiness, and human life; rather it is a subhuman world where “nature” is worshiped like the totem of some primitive religion.

Uh, what?
Environmentalists are at there core anti-human and anti scientific progress. Since I like living in a world built upon rationality and scientific advancement I oppose them.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19126638 - 11/12/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This thread just fell off the deep end. I'm done here.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19126652 - 11/12/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I find your willful misconstruction and ignorance appalling. Do you drink your water and breathe your air with trust that it is clean? You can thank an environmentalist. Simple as that.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19128499 - 11/12/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Rich people or corporations don't run society though the state does and it collects your wealth through taxes to fund itself. If you dislike a business you can boycott it. You can not however successfully boycott taxes and get away with it. A small state allows individuals to truly pursue there own dreams without being crushed by the collective.
If you take away government, you will be left with private interests filling the role, and usually private interests are only interested in making themselves more money.
And so what how is that bad private entities are more efficient. Also to clarify I am not an anarchist I support a small limited government.
I don't think the private entities are always more efficient. A single payer health insurance system is more efficient that hundreds of private insurance companies, each negotiating their own prices.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: koods]
#19128582 - 11/12/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Rich people or corporations don't run society though the state does and it collects your wealth through taxes to fund itself. If you dislike a business you can boycott it. You can not however successfully boycott taxes and get away with it. A small state allows individuals to truly pursue there own dreams without being crushed by the collective.
If you take away government, you will be left with private interests filling the role, and usually private interests are only interested in making themselves more money.
And so what how is that bad private entities are more efficient. Also to clarify I am not an anarchist I support a small limited government.
I don't think the private entities are always more efficient. A single payer health insurance system is more efficient that hundreds of private insurance companies, each negotiating their own prices.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18] 2
#19128589 - 11/12/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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That isn't true. Having a monopoly doubles the rent and allows you to build houses on the properties.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19128662 - 11/12/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: The fundamental goal of environmentalists is not clean air and clean water; rather it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization. Their goal is not the advancement of human health, human happiness, and human life; rather it is a subhuman world where “nature” is worshiped like the totem of some primitive religion.

Uh, what?
Environmentalists are at there core anti-human and anti scientific progress. Since I like living in a world built upon rationality and scientific advancement I oppose them.
How are water filters and desalinated water and solar power and electric cars anti-scientific?
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Crystal G]
#19129304 - 11/12/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: The fundamental goal of environmentalists is not clean air and clean water; rather it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization. Their goal is not the advancement of human health, human happiness, and human life; rather it is a subhuman world where “nature” is worshiped like the totem of some primitive religion.

Uh, what?
Environmentalists are at there core anti-human and anti scientific progress. Since I like living in a world built upon rationality and scientific advancement I oppose them.
How are water filters and desalinated water and solar power and electric cars anti-scientific?
Most environmentalists I interact with are opposed to modern industrialism in all its forms. I have had actual conversations with greenpeace activists were they have said that they wish a virus would kill most of humanity. They then went on about how we need to return to a hunter gatherer lifestyle
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19129377 - 11/12/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everybody should just give up. Gilgamesh18 already claimed he won this thread by making retarded statements.
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Re: Capitalism benefits the masses more so than the wealthy [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19129411 - 11/12/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Everybody should just give up. Gilgamesh18 already claimed he won this thread by making retarded statements.
Hey mush lets keep it civil
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