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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19121966 - 11/11/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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It digusts me that this thread about "understanding sexism" is a discussion about why it is ethical and not sexist to hit a girl.




That's what I don't understand either. Is how come every time there's a discussion about sexism it turns into whether or not men have a RIGHT to hit a girl. Never mind the fact that feminism is not supposed to be about the right to hit anybody. :lol:



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So what if I hypothetically walked up to you and started hitting you? Would you just stand there and take it? I am a male, vegatarian, and having arms like wet noodles

That being said, I try and treatothers with respect so it would never come to that. But if someone hits me, talking it out and good vibes are not an option

and that woman hit my buddy because he was her ex's friend. Her ex was kind of a dick tbh. But my buddy was inviting her ex to the kickback




Okay, from a legal perspective, you are better off not hitting her back, even very lightly. Why? If the cops get called, everybody will blame you, and you are the one who will go to jail. Plus, you will get looked down upon as a disgusting man shunned by society.



lol thats true. a fair point


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
    #19123586 - 11/11/13 09:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The argument of sexism feminism lies in such things as women being cheerleaders, non contact sports, sexual roles in movies, and the ability to get a shit ton of money by being attractive and yelling "sexual harassment" at the top of her frail lungs.

To be honest, I've always wondered why girls even do cheer leading. It's not a sport lol how do you beat the other team by jumping around? How do you score? How do girls play lacrosse without physical contact? The fuck is with field hockey and wearing dresses? Why is every women in media, almost regardless of subject matter in some way, overly sexualized? And how come I can't yell sexual harassment for an older woman calling me honey???

And feminists seem to answer this question weird. Who asks who out? Or who pays at dinner? (Answer:he does or we go half and half. Some strong willed feminists will gladly pay the bill, feeling almost like taking your masculinity away)

Why the hell has feminism even existed for so long? It astounds me the percentage of women who "turn" feminist within the first year of college. Almost similar to the number of kids who learn Marxism within that same timeframe.


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Atrium]
    #19123702 - 11/11/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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To be honest, I've always wondered why girls even do cheer leading. It's not a sport lol how do you beat the other team by jumping around? How do you score? How do girls play lacrosse without physical contact?




At standard high school cheerleading I would agree. But advanced levels of cheerleading are more comparable to a combination of acrobatics with choreographed dance moves. But if somebody gets to that level it just makes me ask, well why not just go into dance then? It's the same thing, but more impressive than cheerleading.

I don't know what you're talking about regarding girls playing lacrosse without physical contact. There are women's rugby teams that are quite impressive and tackle with quite a lot of force, just like the men do.

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And feminists seem to answer this question weird. Who asks who out? Or who pays at dinner? (Answer:he does or we go half and half. Some strong willed feminists will gladly pay the bill, feeling almost like taking your masculinity away)




It doesn't really matter who asks out. I usually won't offer to pay unless I know the guy is struggling financially. But I'm also not one of those women that orders lobster and steak at dinner... unless I know for sure that the guy is super rich and the type that likes to flash his money around to impress people. Then he will feel good that he is impressing me if I order steak and lobster. But if he's not this kind of person, then I will order something that costs similar to whatever he ordered.

Some of those women will pay the bill to avoid any sort of implicit unwritten contract to feel obligated to have sex later on. But I don't got a problem wit dat. :naughty:

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Why the hell has feminism even existed for so long? It astounds me the percentage of women who "turn" feminist within the first year of college. Almost similar to the number of kids who learn Marxism within that same timeframe.




Feminism has existed for a long time because it is reactionary to the years that sexism has taken place. Probably the very beginning origins of feminism occurred with Simone de Beauvoire.

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The fuck is with field hockey and wearing dresses? Why is every women in media, almost regardless of subject matter in some way, overly sexualized?




That is a very good question and that is a question for the public: Why is the audience so drawn to overly sexualized women?


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19125335 - 11/12/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You make some good points. We can both agree that cheer leading, at least high school/college level isn't really much. Just jumping around with fat girls holding up skinny ones.

But at the high school level of lacrosse/hockey, where the male version entails extreme contact, the female version (field hockey in this case) contains dresses and penalties for much less than a solid hit. They wear less padding=less contact which makes sense.. But why do they wear less padding then?

I like your stance on dinner so we can leave that.

But this idea of feminism, what is it really all about? I mean, in a sense, we are lifting up our women, giving them power of us, and yet they are they onesa complaining? They have many options to do many things in life especially if she's beautiful or is average and puts out. A man would gladly take that option. I don't get THAT part of feminism.

What I do get is the over sexualization part we have in media. Trust me, I'm far from not having sexual ideas about women that catch my eye, but it's a bit strange how damn near everything needs sex appeal, in some cases where it has none(looking at you Miley Cyrus). I guess I'd just like to see more women wearing flowing dresses than spandex skin tight everyday. Where in America would I find that? :shrug:


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Atrium]
    #19125667 - 11/12/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think a large drive of the way the we view women is our horniness

And females compliance to those gender roles

So the blame goes both ways really


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: topdog82]
    #19125857 - 11/12/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i find it interesting that no one ever brings up the unrealistic portrayal of men in the media. Calvin Kline models are just as unrealistic as playboy or victorias secret models. I've come to the conclusion men just don't complain as much haha


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19126405 - 11/12/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Haha I almost referenced that picture once in human sexuality. Thought it was funny.

Also apparently I got a paper back from my English paper today saying I need to be careful how I use the term feminist as a biased term. Made me smile haha


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Atrium]
    #19126500 - 11/12/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Feminism is female rights activism.

Sexism is "Oh, I have a penis/vagina so that makes me better than you."


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19127946 - 11/12/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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i find it interesting that no one ever brings up the unrealistic portrayal of men in the media. Calvin Kline models are just as unrealistic as playboy or victorias secret models. I've come to the conclusion men just don't complain as much haha




It's only been a topic in academia and body dysmorphia recently. But I think a huge reason that the focus wasn't on men for a long time was because a woman is almost always required to be good looking to break it out into Hollywood. If she gets fat for whatever reason, everybody will make fun of her and she will only get to play the role of the "fat girl" in movies. We see men who aren't particularly good looking all the time in movies, on TV working as newscasters, who are there simply because of their credibility and not their looks.

Now if we had a movie with a female cast that looked like this, the female equivalent of mostly overweight and unattractive and middle-aged women, WITHOUT the core focus of the movie being about fat women, what would the audience reaction be?



Edit: Also the thing about men, is that men don't feel as pressured by society to be good looking as much as women. Many men don't take care of their looks or even have good hygiene but can still feel like they can still get a woman, because they're funny or intelligent or have a good personality or whatever. For women, looks are about as important as personality when factoring into a relationship. And only 10% of people who suffer from body dysmorphia are men, 90% are women, probably largely due to societal expectations.


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19128126 - 11/12/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They did that in BridesMaids. Apparently it was alright.


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Atrium]
    #19128298 - 11/12/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But this idea of feminism, what is it really all about? I mean, in a sense, we are lifting up our women, giving them power of us, and yet they are they onesa complaining? They have many options to do many things in life especially if she's beautiful or is average and puts out. A man would gladly take that option. I don't get THAT part of feminism.




:lolwut:
I would never take that option.
This is so backwards, I don't even know where to begin.


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Atrium]
    #19128359 - 11/12/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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They did that in BridesMaids. Apparently it was alright.




Um no? There was only one fat girl in BridesMaids. Everybody else was pretty. If you don't think they're pretty you have a really high standard of beauty. Not many women look as good as that in real life, especially without the makeup and the photoshop.



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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19130294 - 11/13/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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empty space said:
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Jamesdnh said:
But this idea of feminism, what is it really all about? I mean, in a sense, we are lifting up our women, giving them power of us, and yet they are they onesa complaining? They have many options to do many things in life especially if she's beautiful or is average and puts out. A man would gladly take that option. I don't get THAT part of feminism.




:lolwut:
I would never take that option.
This is so backwards, I don't even know where to begin.



You wouldn't take the option to be given shit for looking good and get to have sex with the majority of women while they work trying to have sex with you?

I don't see that as ass backwards and I don't see many men who would consciously choose the other way (save me currently; have decided to abstain for the foreseeable future)

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Jamesdnh said:
They did that in BridesMaids. Apparently it was alright.




Um no? There was only one fat girl in BridesMaids. Everybody else was pretty. If you don't think they're pretty you have a really high standard of beauty. Not many women look as good as that in real life, especially without the makeup and the photoshop.






Ok you're right there. I haven't seen that movie in a long time and only remember a few parts. I see your point though. I wouldn't watch a movie solely for fat women, but conversely I wouldn't watch a movie solely for fat men. It'd be a big complain about life thing. Maybe if there was more funny women and not just D Reynolds in the first episode of the new season of It's always sunny, then maybe a movie could be made to counter This Is The End, which I thought was mildly funny. I watched it more for the concept of the catching up and how they'd fuck it up.

I don't watch movies specifically because of pretty girls. I date for that reason (forever alone :smile: ) and really, this past 12 months approximately of living with other families and watching a fuckton of TV/movies cus I have no friends in new towns, I realized lots of things about society. I don't wish to complain about it or change people's opinions, in fact I wouldn't bring this up in person, I just notice it and wish not to be a part of it and somehow still live my life.


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Atrium]
    #19130513 - 11/13/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You wouldn't take the option to be given shit for looking good and get to have sex with the majority of women while they work trying to have sex with you?




Yes, I wouldn't take that option. I have that option and I choose not to take it every day. I find a great deal of satisfaction in supporting myself and I enjoy the freedoms that I have as a result of not being supported by a partner, which I'm sure is exactly how beautiful women feel. That you would prefer to be a sex object so that you wouldn't have to work suggests that you are lazy, codependent, and childish.


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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: Atrium]
    #19131929 - 11/13/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok you're right there. I haven't seen that movie in a long time and only remember a few parts. I see your point though. I wouldn't watch a movie solely for fat women, but conversely I wouldn't watch a movie solely for fat men. It'd be a big complain about life thing. Maybe if there was more funny women and not just D Reynolds in the first episode of the new season of It's always sunny, then maybe a movie could be made to counter This Is The End, which I thought was mildly funny. I watched it more for the concept of the catching up and how they'd fuck it up.




There are tons of funny women that aren't attractive. Margaret Cho, Lisa Lampanelli, Wanda Sykes, Janean Garofolo, Ellen DeGeneres, Joan Rivers, Sarah Silverman... although I guess Joan Rivers and Sarah Silverman would be considered attractive, in their own..... weird and unique kind of way. But the rest are either overweight, average, or simply not attractive at all.

I would FOR SURE watch a movie with Lisa Lampanelli and Wanda Sykes in it. That shit would be sooooooo fucken' funny. :rofl2:



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Re: help me understand feminism/sexism? [Re: empty space]
    #19133030 - 11/13/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

DUE u evn reed? I said that is not me but that a majority of men would choose that option.

^Is it weird that I do find Lisa Lampanelli (never heard of her before your video post) attractive? I don't know any of the others besides wanda sykes and sarah silverman, but I'd say sarah silverman could get it.

IDK I think it has to do with (society, and I tend to agree) that women are just not too funny. Usually it's some wack ass joke or they themselves are the joke thinking so damn obscure it's not funny. And yes, there is the needle in the haystack like the way Erin Andrews is a hot blonde and can school me in a talk about sports.

Anyways this, mostly due to me, has begun a debate on personal preference as opposed to feminism and sexism lol


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Edited by Atrium (11/13/13 08:02 PM)


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