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I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use.
    #19125376 - 11/12/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm planning to have an ego dead soon because I know that my ego is limiting me for a long time to be the person that I would like to be. And the question I want to ask is which substance has the most chance of having a nice experience.

At the moment I'm hesitating between normal cubensis shrooms and 4-AcO-DMT. Because the 4-AcO-DMT has given me nicer trips than shrooms I'm really considering using 4-AcO-DMT to get an ego dead. However like I said before I want to reduce the risks of a bad experience to a minimum.

I also have the following substances as well:

4-HO-MET
2C-I
2C-C
2C-E
AMT
5-MeO-MIPT

Which of these substances or combinations will give me the best ego dead with the least chance of a bad experience?


Edited by spikeycloud (11/12/13 08:21 AM)


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19125576 - 11/12/13 10:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Take 7 grams of mushrooms by yourself in a dark room (the darker the better) No music, no trip toys ect. Just you and the mushrooms. If you could do it in a sensory deprivation tank it would be even better.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: Revolted627]
    #19125620 - 11/12/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Take 7 grams of mushrooms by yourself in a dark room (the darker the better) No music, no trip toys ect. Just you and the mushrooms. If you could do it in a sensory deprivation tank it would be even better.




That would do it, personally I think 5 g's is enough.

It's also nice have some weed on hand.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: Deemstar]
    #19125756 - 11/12/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Take the recommended amount of shrooms as stated above THEN take your dmt :wink:

Tell me whether or not you get your ego death


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: The Void]
    #19125770 - 11/12/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The problem is that all the bad trips I had were on mushrooms. is 4-aco-dmt not better? Because it's less confusing and more gentle as a trip in my experience.

Also 4-aco-dmt is something different than dmt itself..


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19125815 - 11/12/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

if yr really interested in an "ego death" experience you may need to reconsider the need for a trip to be "less confusing & more gentle..."


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: leon trout]
    #19125983 - 11/12/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The problem is that I had depression after a very bad mushroom trip (smoked a lot of weed during that trip though). And I want to reduce the risk of that happening again as much as possible.

I want to get something positive out of my trip. For example that those bad thought patterns and habits that are within my ego are dissolved. Because they limit me and I can't be my true self even though I know most of those patterns are false. Still I cannot change it sober so I thought an ego dead might be a thing to do next...

I often trip recreational at low doses, like 10 mg 4-HO-MET + 10 MG 2C-C and they sometimes give me great insights, but somehow they never stick with me in the long run. That being said, I want to do it because I want to improve as a person, for myself but also for the people around me.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19126057 - 11/12/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Do DMT... The end.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: spikeycloud]
    #19126061 - 11/12/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

get lsd, dissolves the ego gently

if you want to treat your body and soul with respect, dont combine drugs/use research chems

fast/eat very healthy,do mushrooms or lsd,be around nature/take a walk in nature first

pets and houseplants I can recommend, they help give good trips each time
you can heal without egodeath, egodeath will happen when ready

trip normal doses each time, take a walk in nature each time
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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: spikeycloud] * 1
    #19126093 - 11/12/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i feel like you (& not just you, but a lot of folks) have ego death confused with a magic little make-it-all-better pill... it is not... it's not about taking away the bad thoughts... in my experience, an ego death lets you get out of you for a minute... it's in the return that you notice all the shit things that make you you, & realize they can all be changed... the changing, that's up to you, not the drug or the trip... & the changing, at least in my experience, isn't usually drastic...

for example, one of my very best trips (on a not very responsible amount of dmt) ended with me, returning to my couch in tears because of the beauty i'd just been allowed to see... i opened my eyes to a filthy room, & it showed me a little about how much i was falling short of my potential... the tears stopped being so happy... kind of the opposite of an after-glow...so i started cleaning my house better, & more often, & keeping it clean... after 40 years i became a neat freak, because it just felt wrong to dissolve the self into whirlwinds of beauty just to land back in a cesspool... has this unexpected side effect made my life better?.. sure it has, but it didn't cure all that ills me... & i had to put in the work, just observing isn't enough...

really, to me, going into a trip with the mindset of "i need an ego death so that i can fix what i feel needs fixing" is just an attempt to impart your will (ego) onto the trip, & is just about the opposite of a true "ego death"... a real one jumps up outta nowhere, unexpected, & rocks your world so fucking hard you have to seriously reconsider everything you've ever thought... it is seldom gentle, often confusing, & sometimes just downright scary... when you feel like you are dying, & you just lay there & say "fuck it, take me..." that's when the magic happens for me...


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: lessismore]
    #19126126 - 11/12/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mio said:
get lsd, dissolves the ego gently

if you want to treat your body and soul with respect, dont combine drugs/use research chems





LSD is an RC.

I agree dont combine for ego loss, but still certain RCs are okay.

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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: Yogi1]
    #19126365 - 11/12/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Triptamines are your best bet in my opinion. 5 grams of mushies on an empty stomach.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: Yogi1]
    #19126807 - 11/12/13 02:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

mio said:
get lsd, dissolves the ego gently

if you want to treat your body and soul with respect, dont combine drugs/use research chems





LSD is an RC.

I agree dont combine for ego loss, but still certain RCs are okay.

MXE is GOD!!!





LSD is certainly NOT an RC. That's the type of talk that gets people to OD. "Oh yeah, no lethal dose of RC's brahhh".

Maybe its a chemical, and maybe it was researched, but its authentic and original. Hoffman would be upset with your banter.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: leon trout]
    #19127291 - 11/12/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Nice post! About the changing, it might be true that you can change a lot. But there are so many things in the world that you can't change but still effect you big time. Like the economical crisis for an example. 

As about beauty, I’m really intrigued to see this. As it so happens, I don’t like this world with all the problems, unfairness’s, wrong people in the top etc. I cannot understand how a beauty in this world can exist knowing that the world does not do great at the moment.

@others

4-aco-dmt is a tryptamine too...it does not differ that much from psilobin(4-HO-DMT). Not that is 100% proof that it is safe, but it's likely be as safe as psilobin


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: KingKnowledge]
    #19127331 - 11/12/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

Yogi1 said:
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mio said:
get lsd, dissolves the ego gently

if you want to treat your body and soul with respect, dont combine drugs/use research chems





LSD is an RC.

I agree dont combine for ego loss, but still certain RCs are okay.

MXE is GOD!!!





LSD is certainly NOT an RC. That's the type of talk that gets people to OD. "Oh yeah, no lethal dose of RC's brahhh".

Maybe its a chemical, and maybe it was researched, but its authentic and original. Hoffman would be upset with your banter.




I don't mean to derail this thread (I mean I do, but only for a moment)
LSD is certainly a research chemical...Its just the pioneering and nonlethal rc..

Its a chemical that was being researched and just so happened to seep in the researchers thumb, or hand however the story goes.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: cez]
    #19127416 - 11/12/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LSD is certainly a research chemical.




:nojustno: it was a research chemical, but it got approved for use and was sold under a brand name in 1947... it has been a medicine, not a research chemical, for over half a century...


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: cez]
    #19127635 - 11/12/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

oops,double post


Edited by leon trout (11/12/13 05:31 PM)


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: leon trout]
    #19127703 - 11/12/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How many shrooms did you take last trip? Obviously don't smoke weed during shroom tripping from now on.

I'd say take 5 grams lemon tek, but if you want to avoid bad trips absolutely WORK YOUR WAY UP TO IT first. In other words, if last time you took 3 grams, don't take 5 lemon tek now, take 3 again, have a decent trip, then take 4, then next time take 5. Incremental dose increases give you best chance of avoiding bad trips, because you're still familiar somewhat with what's likely to be happening, you're not shot in completely 100% unfamiliar territory.

4 aco dmt, if you had good experiences with that do that as well, why do you even ask? You know what worked for you.

As always, food sleep and exercise, good set & setting and don't combine new substances. Have fun be safe good vibes.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: Spacerific]
    #19127869 - 11/12/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I know my answer will probably be the least favourable paths to ego death but consistent meditation will get you there.  Just something to think about.


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Re: I want to have a ego dead but not sure wich substance to use. [Re: Spacerific]
    #19127884 - 11/12/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The one and only time i have experinced egodeath was on 9.8gs of shrooms i have took around 13gs bymeself trying to experince it but didnt happen

it happens when your ready

Also i have taken many solo 7gs had some serious ego loss at that level but never ego death its a completel diff experince


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