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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19135455 - 11/14/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Out of respect for people who identify as Jewish, and to acknowledge the suffering of the Jewish people, we need to be extra extra careful about lumping all Jews together with this or that characterization.




I agree, it's just the extremist few which are very few in this case, and if I've offended or disturbed anyone I whole heartidly apologize, all I seek is the truth & will follow wherever that leads me no matter how unquestionable society views those avenues

I've spent many many hours the last few months researching history and to be honest i'm tired of it, at the end of the day the only way to free yourself from oppression is to not focus on the patterns of the past but live in the present


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19135611 - 11/14/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Out of respect for people who identify as Jewish, and to acknowledge the suffering of the Jewish people, we need to be extra extra careful about lumping all Jews together with this or that characterization.  The Holocaust provides a graphic reminder of what happens when the "lumping" occurs and good people remain silent.

The settlements are clearly wrong and destructive.  All world leaders of good intent have denounced them.  The Obama Administration has denounced them, rightly so.

The settlements are not a "Jewish" thing.  They're a land-grab masquerading under the pretense of biblical "right." 

Lots and lots of Jews recognize that, and denounce Israel's policies.





Jews haven't suffered any more than any other race of people.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: Chronic7]
    #19135620 - 11/14/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Out of respect for people who identify as Jewish, and to acknowledge the suffering of the Jewish people, we need to be extra extra careful about lumping all Jews together with this or that characterization.




I agree, it's just the extremist few which are very few in this case, and if I've offended or disturbed anyone I whole heartidly apologize, all I seek is the truth & will follow wherever that leads me no matter how unquestionable society views those avenues

I've spent many many hours the last few months researching history and to be honest i'm tired of it, at the end of the day the only way to free yourself from oppression is to not focus on the patterns of the past but live in the present





You really don't know if it's just an extremist few.  Many of them might hold similar views without expressing them openly.

Jews are just as ugly and nice as any other group of humans.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19136395 - 11/14/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I regard all mythology with respect, not equal respect mind you, but the Christian myths are essential in the  development of Western civilization.  As a Westerner, they guide my psychology, and hence my life, and your's too.




Examples? Do you think Biblical traditions are at the roots of Westerners' entrenchment in the belief of linear time?


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19136450 - 11/14/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Judeo-Christianity is responsible for the lack of care for the environment that typifies the complete and total devastation of the world ecosystem. "To rule over fish and fowl ye jackasses will, ye, woe."


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19136613 - 11/14/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I regard all mythology with respect, not equal respect mind you, but the Christian myths are essential in the  development of Western civilization.  As a Westerner, they guide my psychology, and hence my life, and your's too.




Examples? Do you think Biblical traditions impacted Westerners' entrenchment in the belief of linear time?




Well, whether I like it or not, the Thou Shalt Nots from the Moses story has had a profound effect on my morals. It has had an effect on our judicial system as well. Adultery, forbidden in the Ten Commandments, along with murder, is illegal in 23 states in the USA! http://sex.omg-facts.com/Sex+Facts/Adultery-Is-Illegal-In-23-States/47686 Meanwhile, "whoremongers" mentioned in the New Testament, who "will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven," are legally exempted in only one state - Nevada. I have always had an aversion to adultery, refused opportunities, and was victim of it in my first marriage. Not so much a problem with 'fornication,' as a latecomer to Christian morals, but the Jewish morality was part of my formative years. Nevertheless, when I had this burst of Christian moral fervor in my 20s, in the 1970s when everyone was balling everyone, I struggled mightily with my late adolescent sexuality as I sought to 'rise on the planes of consciousness.' The Christian myths evoked neurotic guilt, causing me quite a lot of suffering. Being celibate in my 20s gave me migraine attacks that would last from Friday nights to Sunday nights, as the battle was waged internally. It was fucked up. I was fucked up. I hurt a number of girls who went way out of their way to visit me, and instead of us getting laid, I laid a celibacy trip on them. :banghead:

Linear time is critical to historical religions. I learned from Paths of Faith by Hutchinson that there are Historical, Cosmic, and Acosmic religions. Cosmic religions tend to embrace cyclic time, Mircea Eliade's 'Myth of the Eternal Return' that one finds in ancient Pagan faiths, even today's Neopagan and Wiccan groups, celebrate cyclic time, seasons, birth-life-death etc.. Acosmic religions, like Buddhism, marginalize time and seek to escape entrapment in temporal identity. I don't know a whole lot about Islam, but there seems to be a strong political agenda to make all peoples Muslim, while the evangelical fervor of Christianity seems rooted in myths of 'a new heaven and a new earth' as well as 'pie-in-the-sky-when-we-die' notions. Jews also have a timeline, but I do not think that converting the world to Judaism is intrinsic to the faith. Islam wants forced universality while Judaism is happy with its own exclusivity. Christianity in its Catholic form (catholic means universal) is ostensibly about being universal, although Catholicism forms syncretistic religious forms with other religions. There are so many Protestant denominations in the US alone, it's hard to generalize, but 'the end times' or 'the end of time' is clearly taken as a historical event almost everywhere. It is not explained as Eckhart Tolle explains it as a mystical movement for each of us when we identify with Being instead of egoic mind.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19136665 - 11/14/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually the popular 'End Times"  myth was capitolized upon by Hal Linden in his "Late Great Planet Earth" during the late 70s and coincided contemporarily with Jose Arguilles - book about the end of the Mayan calender. Thus we had two divergent end of the world scenarios which mush brained New Agers extrapolated to be some sort of universal prophecy. And which Mush brained Born-Agains accepted.  The pathetic cult the Mormons also have their - you will see the end of days before the end of your generation shit myth too which failed - all which failed.

I must say that when I got my Amex renewed until 2014 I felt real faith that life wouldn't end.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19136770 - 11/14/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Right, but now you're talking about Christian myth influences on Western psychopathology, which most people on this forum are already aware of, and subsequently why it's seen as a plague.  But yah, my thought was borrowed from Eliade and musing on the idea that Western 'death anxiety' is tangled up in the historical, linear time of Judeo-Christian thought.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19139080 - 11/14/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Right, but now you're talking about Christian myth influences on Western psychopathology, which most people on this forum are already aware of, and subsequently why it's seen as a plague.  But yah, my thought was borrowed from Eliade and musing on the idea that Western 'death anxiety' is tangled up in the historical, linear time of Judeo-Christian thought.




It's not the myths that are at fault. Myths are not fabricated out of thin air, they arise spontaneously from the collective unconscious. It is the mainstream, orthodox interpretations of the mythic images and stories. Gnostic interpretations of the entire Genesis accounts tell different stories with different conclusions. Edward Edinger's interpretation of Genesis in his book Ego and Archetype used Jungian concepts to explain just what is happening psychologically in the Genesis myth, and it is both Gnostic and fucking Brilliant! I have never read a better explanation anywhere. Yet mainstream Christianity, having adopted Augustine's notion of original Sin (completely unlike a Jewish interpretation) and you have sickened Christianity, laying blame on our mythic parents Adam and Eve, and claiming inherited sin and alienation from God. It is NOT the myth, it is the sick goddamn interpretation.



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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19140750 - 11/15/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Right, but now you're talking about Christian myth influences on Western psychopathology, which most people on this forum are already aware of, and subsequently why it's seen as a plague.  But yah, my thought was borrowed from Eliade and musing on the idea that Western 'death anxiety' is tangled up in the historical, linear time of Judeo-Christian thought.




It's not the myths that are at fault. Myths are not fabricated out of thin air, they arise spontaneously from the collective unconscious. It is the mainstream, orthodox interpretations of the mythic images and stories. Gnostic interpretations of the entire Genesis accounts tell different stories with different conclusions. Edward Edinger's interpretation of Genesis in his book Ego and Archetype used Jungian concepts to explain just what is happening psychologically in the Genesis myth, and it is both Gnostic and fucking Brilliant! I have never read a better explanation anywhere. Yet mainstream Christianity, having adopted Augustine's notion of original Sin (completely unlike a Jewish interpretation) and you have sickened Christianity, laying blame on our mythic parents Adam and Eve, and claiming inherited sin and alienation from God. It is NOT the myth, it is the sick goddamn interpretation.



Great exchange.

The "myths" are good and natural and "right" for us human beings.  They are the way we take a very complicated universe and make sense of it.

The biblical Jesus myth is, in my opinion, the most sublime and transcendent echo of the mystical and transcendent experience ever devised by humankind.  It is so perfect and so instructive and so intuitive that it has never been surpassed in elegance or purpose.  In my opinion.

And I am not Christian, by the way.

The story of the Buddha is good, too.  The way of enlightenment, for Gautama Buddha, is our way as well.

Be still.  Sit under a tree.  Rely on the graciousness of the universe.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: all this beauty]
    #19141331 - 11/15/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm confident you would love Ego and Archetype as much as I do, and I've been familiar with this book for decades. My 70s copy has the original color plates, which I found particularly illuminating. Sometimes an old copy with the plates can be found in a university library, but it's the text, the explanation of the Genesis myth as the story of the birth of consciousness from the Matrix-Mater-Matter-Mother of the unconscious that blew me away. It all makes perfect sense from a Jungian perspective, based on a Jungian developmental model which intellectually elaborates the intuitively derived story.

Myths, like dreams, never refer to concrete meanings, they are all symbols and archetypes, which need to be unpacked to be understood correctly. It makes little sense for criticizers of Christianity to ridicule talking snakes and the like. Only children and the most childish minds would take the words of scriptural myth concretely. One of the problems is that even those who on the surface reject Christianity, they still have these archetypes as the infrastructure of their own psyches. They may try to throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater, but they really can't. All they can do is reject the interpretations of these stories. Unfortunately, by rejecting it all, they reject nourishing their own psyches and consequently suffer from meaninglessness, nihilism, despair, depression, angst, and other sicknesses of the soul. Running to another religion is only a temporary diversion. It will only delay the inevitable.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19142073 - 11/15/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It's not the myths that are at fault. Myths are not fabricated out of thin air, they arise spontaneously from the collective unconscious. It is the mainstream, orthodox interpretations of the mythic images and stories. Gnostic interpretations of the entire Genesis accounts tell different stories with different conclusions. Edward Edinger's interpretation of Genesis in his book Ego and Archetype used Jungian concepts to explain just what is happening psychologically in the Genesis myth, and it is both Gnostic and fucking Brilliant! I have never read a better explanation anywhere. Yet mainstream Christianity, having adopted Augustine's notion of original Sin (completely unlike a Jewish interpretation) and you have sickened Christianity, laying blame on our mythic parents Adam and Eve, and claiming inherited sin and alienation from God. It is NOT the myth, it is the sick goddamn interpretation.






Can't misinterpretations also have roots in myth? For example, if the virgin birth was a mistranslation of 'young woman', it also seems to have a roots in a longer history of 'miraculous birth' mythology.  What is the greater mystical significance of such a myth?  Also, which is more important of recognition, the misinterpretation of the virgin birth, or the significance of the archetype itself?  I've always found the idea of a magickal  'moon child' conception fascinating :shrug:, though that's rooted in a Dionysian hyper-sexuality.... I see a comparison though.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19143057 - 11/15/13 09:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm confident you would love Ego and Archetype as much as I do, and I've been familiar with this book for decades. My 70s copy has the original color plates, which I found particularly illuminating. Sometimes an old copy with the plates can be found in a university library, but it's the text, the explanation of the Genesis myth as the story of the birth of consciousness from the Matrix-Mater-Matter-Mother of the unconscious that blew me away. It all makes perfect sense from a Jungian perspective, based on a Jungian developmental model which intellectually elaborates the intuitively derived story.

Myths, like dreams, never refer to concrete meanings, they are all symbols and archetypes, which need to be unpacked to be understood correctly. It makes little sense for criticizers of Christianity to ridicule talking snakes and the like. Only children and the most childish minds would take the words of scriptural myth concretely. One of the problems is that even those who on the surface reject Christianity, they still have these archetypes as the infrastructure of their own psyches. They may try to throw the baby Jesus out with the bathwater, but they really can't. All they can do is reject the interpretations of these stories. Unfortunately, by rejecting it all, they reject nourishing their own psyches and consequently suffer from meaninglessness, nihilism, despair, depression, angst, and other sicknesses of the soul. Running to another religion is only a temporary diversion. It will only delay the inevitable.




Are you saying that rejecting Christianity leads to despair and depression? 

"It will only delay the inevitable." 

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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: qman]
    #19143668 - 11/16/13 12:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No. I am saying that the same initiatory elements that are found in Christianity are to be found in other religions, but one will be distracted by the novelty of new ideas, new cultures, and all manner of extraneous issues before the inevitability of learning the archetypal themes that underlie all valid religions. Namely, the egoic mind, the "natural man," the desire-body, etc. needs to die before a resurrection of a higher more authentic self rises like the sun of enlightenment. Crucifixion of the body, for example, as depicted in Christianity is perhaps the richest imagery. Suspension between the opposites: between Heaven and Earth, between the good thief and the bad thief, a darkening that has long been depicted as a total solar eclipse by the moon, which correspond symbolically to blood and water, respectively. The veil which covered the Holy-of-Holies in the temple was said to have torn from top down, i.e., from heaven to Earth, allowing everyone to enter in to Sacred Space. The theme of suspension between the opposites can be isolated in Greek, Buddhist and Hindu myths as well, not to mention the Yoga processes of both faiths. From what I'm reading in Campbell, the archetypal themes are ubiquitous in the myths of all the ancient cultures of antiquity. But there is a certain pathos in the Passion Play that resonates with Westerners.



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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19143699 - 11/16/13 12:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A psycho-historical study of Matthew would be fascinating if more material was available. In fact, the gospels didn't really have author's names attached. Those were inserted by scribes later on. If Matthew the Judaizer misquoted, it was because he was reading the Greek Septuigint instead of the original Hebrew, and Greek only had one word for both young woman (alma) and virgin (betholah), namely parthenos. What is perceived as an error takes on layers of meaning in that it was mostly Greek-speaking non-Jews who were open to these writings after the first 150 years. We see what we want to see, and the Hellenistic psyche already had virgin births firmly established in ti. It was no effort to by another version.

The Isaiah text says 'young woman' was to be the mother of the prophesied messiah, and virgin births had no presence in Jewish midrash. It's odd that this word is used to refer to Hebrew sources, and myth to Hellenistic sources. Midrash was not intended to be taken literally either, but as illustrations of spiritual truths in story form.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19144414 - 11/16/13 07:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What about prior to the written gospels, when it's still totally an oral tradition?  Doesn't it start through word of mouth that a man out there is healing the sick?  How is that a blameless myth from the collective unconscious or a parable not be taken literally and only to illustrate a teaching. It seems like it's preying on others' death anxiety and gullibility to rope them in :shrug:.


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #19146125 - 11/16/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, death anxiety, or more generally, anxiety, is a consequence of being self-aware. It is an existential illness like boredom, guilt, despair, and others. Myths do not arise as an unconscious remedy for anxiety. It we comprehended the transcendental value of myths more completely, we might experience a whole lot less anxiety than we do. If Knew what the Buddha is said to have Known, to the depth of his awareness, we would not be so attached to form, the form of our bodies and our mind's contents, and consequently, we would not worry so much over their eventual loss. I mean, I just signed up for a platinum Obamacare plan for peace of mind, but that decision is directly proportional to how much I worry about our health. It's gonna cost fully 1/2 of my monthly pension income, which means that I'm gonna have to start drawing money from investments for the first time. I know that all dependent arisings are impermanent. I know that all that is born, grows old, sickens, and dies. But not yet, or not if I can do anything about it! If Buddha had modern medicine available, he might have survived his poisoning. Instead, he laid down and died. Perhaps he didn't care at age 80, or perhaps he welcomed the mythic Nirvana.

The Christian myths are derivative of Greek, Hebrew, and Egyptian forerunners. Myth is a powerful and numinous force in the psyche. It would seem that any form of power can be misused, and indeed, with the kind of theological scaffolding that was built around the Christ myth, the Catholic Church DID rope multitudes into believing that they were sinners by heredity, damned without the sacraments, and hence, had better tithe their asses off to remain within the Church in order to receive the sacraments. The wealth of the Church and its power grew by such enslavement. Then the armies of the Church went out to conquer more peoples in order to become wealthier and more powerful. Those who resisted were tortured and/or murdered. Still wealthy, at least the Catholics have sopped immolating and crusading. The temple Judaism would be destroyed forever by 70 CE. It was corrupt and bloody from animal sacrifices, and probably had to go, though not necessarily from Roman genocide.

The Nazis had a long term plan to morph the Lutheran Church from celebrating a 1st century Jew to a Universal Christ, abstracted from any association with Judaism. Eventually, the Carolingian shaped cross would return to its equilateral shape, perhaps assume a Maltese cross form, and from that image it would gradually take the shape of a swastika. The symbol would be the herald of a theology that would re-assert Germanic gods.

I find it prudent to learn from the myths how to live here and now without recourse to metaphysical speculation about an afterlife. Living authentically as I can by taking the mythic peacefulness of Christ and Buddha to heart, probably does put a dent in my death anxiety. I am constitutionally anxiety-prone, yet I do not drug myself into quiescence, act out on others, or behave suicidally - all common enough attempts to quell anxiety. Like the Chinese alchemists, I too aspire to health and longevity at great expense to my other desires. Fortunately for me, my wife says things like "good health insurance is more valuable to me than trips to Hawaii." Death is inevitable, but taking this tack is a matter of going down fighting instead of cowering in "fear and trembling," which often looks like losing oneself in all manner of desires and impulses. Bottom line: Decide to live the Symbolic Life instead of losing oneself in the instinctual life. I swear that that's what's going on with many of those killing-spree suicides today, as well as going on unprotected sex-sprees and trying hard to contract AIDS. The drug addict trip buys into violence and sex, 1st and 2nd chakra obsession, veritable worship of Thanatos and Eros. All are "children of a lesser god."


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19146214 - 11/16/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Markos, if I extrapolate from what you just said then are hawkish Repugs acting out from death anxiety? And furthermore, from not having understood the internalization of myth and archetype. Instead they feel the need to reify internal things upon an unseeming and disordered world?


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: eve69]
    #19147864 - 11/16/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure there are many delusionals who identify with archetypal contents. Charles Manson, Son of Man, thought he was Christ and the Devil, David Berkowitz, Son of Sam, Samson, another biblical and archetypal theme,  Richard Ramirez the Satanic slayer, etc. I'm saying that in a meaningless existence, some misdirected beings simply become obsessed/possessed by the most available, instinctual, urges with neither compassion or reason to temper those forces. And they act this primitive drama out, increasing the disorder of their world. Something archetypal is also at work, only its Qlippothic, chaotic, and for all practical purposes of language, evil. The direction wholeness/holiness takes, as evidenced by the mandala drawings of disordered individuals, is symmetry out of chaos, not the reverse.


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Re: How did Republican Hawks get the idea they were Christians? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #19149355 - 11/17/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
I'm sure there are many delusionals who identify with archetypal contents. Charles Manson, Son of Man, thought he was Christ and the Devil, David Berkowitz, Son of Sam, Samson, another biblical and archetypal theme,  Richard Ramirez the Satanic slayer, etc. I'm saying that in a meaningless existence, some misdirected beings simply become obsessed/possessed by the most available, instinctual, urges with neither compassion or reason to temper those forces.



Actually, much of institutional religion (not all, but much) encourages and reinforces delusional and psychotic behavior in its followers.

These institutions continually reinforce, through their teachings, that you the acolyte are essentially flawed and must adopt the "persona" of [fill in the name of the deity or "chosen one"] in order to be saved.  This, instead of the message that you are whole and complete, just as you are.

Mix this sort of teaching in with even the slightest of mental insecurities and you get the psychotic nut-jobs referenced in your post.


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